Spinning content for link building

[fisicx]

But for many niche sites who have a well built site with good (relevant) content automated link building just isn't necessary. A couple of decent inbound link is all Google needs. People make things far too difficult for themselves and use shortcuts rather than make sure their websites meet the various SE guidelines.

Yes of course spinning has it's uses but it's just one tool that may be of use to some sites. If your site is pants and ranks down in the bottom of the well, spinning isn't necessarily going to be a magic wand and suddenly propel you onto page 1.

 

[MASSEY]

But for many niche sites who have a well built site with good (relevant) content automated link building just isn't necessary. A couple of decent inbound link is all Google needs. People make things far too difficult for themselves and use shortcuts rather than make sure their websites meet the various SE guidelines.

It is probably an overkill for niche / weak seo areas but if it gets you up the rankings quicker then it don't matter really does it. If you have good onsite seo and a reasonable amount of natural links an article spin could be all you need to be #1. It's one of many ways to game the system, it is very hard for Biz sites to attract links in a natural manner without putting a hell of a lot of effort in.

 

[fisicx]

Missed the point of what I was trying to say. If the target site is pants then all the spinning and other automated tricks aren't going to help. You neede a decent site to start with otherwise all your link building efforts come to naught. But if you have a well built site niche then you probably don't need to do any link building anyway as the site will rank well on its own merits.

 

[JohnnyCash]

Missed the point of what I was trying to say. If the target site is pants then all the spinning and other automated tricks aren't going to help. You neede a decent site to start with otherwise all your link building efforts come to naught.

I'm not suggesting you do it, but you can rank an extremely garbage site if you get it enough links. You don't need good content to rank in search engines. With poor content your conversions would obviously be terrible, although if you had an Adsense site it wouldn't really matter how bad your content was.

But if you have a well built site niche then you probably don't need to do any link building anyway as the site will rank well on its own merits.

Not needing to link build? Thats extremely idealistic, and that approach in any semi profitable keyword will get you absolutely nowhere.

You can have the best design, the best content, the best product and the best pricing, but people are not going to naturally write blog posts that start with:

All my hair fell out, I felt inadequate so I bought some hair replacement treatment from www.

I was having some serious problems in the bedroom and the mrs was sleeping with the milk man. Luckily some little blue tablets saved the day, I got them from www.

I'm an idiot who can't live within my means. Thankfully I managed to screw all my creditors and avoid paying rightful debts by getting an IVA from www.

I really enjoy dressing in womans clothes, hopefully my wife won't see this post and realise I buy XXXXL dresses for men from www.



Extreme examples I know, but even in niches that are not embarrassing to be associated with, all of the webmasters these days know the value of links and they are extremely reluctant to link out to commercial sites with valuable anchor texts. You need to generate these links from somewhere if you want to rank.

 

[fisicx]

Beg to differ. There are thousands of lead generating websites that rank well and get sufficient visitors to make the business viable who don't have lots of inbound links.

Of course I'm not suggesting this is possible for 'viagra' or 'cheap insurance' but for the majority of small businesses the strength of the content/ internal linking is enough to get them to rank well without lots of link building.

 

[eventdomain]

If you do a crappy job with the spun article then it will look shocking, won't make sense and will look spammy so won't get accepted.

There was a similar text tool that hit the web a few years back, but that was a pile of crap as well. So basically, spinning articles has just been automated with a device that works out various words, so people dont have to type it in. And you dont think this will have a 'uniform look'? the engines will lock on to this so fast, you wont believe it, and then its game over.

I don't think Johnny or anybody was saying just by using this it will get you ranked for competitive terms but it does help.

I see many getting their work devalued over this, using auto tools. Why do so many feel it necessary to 'cheat' to get decent results, I know why and its laziness, pure and simple. An effortless business????? there's no such thing.

If its spin you want, just hire a good agency and they'll do a great job, far superior than some glorified link tool will ever do. You'd get credibility from it too.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Why are people not getting how this works?

the BRAIN is what rewrites, the script just handles it, there is no difference in using a spinning tool professionally than rewriting an article manuallynone, none at all, not a bean not a sausage.

How is the Internet full of Luddites

 

[LisaV]

All I see right now is a load of people trying out outdo each other with their superior knowledge of the inner workings of Google.

Johnny said he'd only take me seriously if I read the thread properly, but if I did that then I would feel cheated at the time I had just wasted in reading more blunt comments and tic for tac arguments. This isn't a discussion about whether or not the script works anymore.

Obviously as a writer who earns a living doing this, I don't want to see it being used. I also think that as more and more people rely on spinning articles, then Google will have to re-think their strategy. And they will. I reckon my job is safe for now.

Back to squabbling then!

 

[eventdomain]

Why are people not getting how this works?

the BRAIN is what rewrites, the script just handles it, there is no difference in using a spinning tool professionally than rewriting an article manuallynone, none at all, not a bean not a sausage.

How is the Internet full of Luddites

Lets me see, this tool selects words at random, fitting them around the headline or keywords/text that's inputted. This is NOT new technology or innovative - this was done years ago - I remember reading about it.

I think everyone knows what this is and how it works, there's loads of tools that do this. Just another in a long line of spam-assist tools

 

[DesignerNick]

I see many getting their work devalued over this, using auto tools. Why do so many feel it necessary to 'cheat' to get decent results, I know why and its laziness, pure and simple. An effortless business????? there's no such thing.

If its spin you want, just hire a good agency and they'll do a great job, far superior than some glorified link tool will ever do. You'd get credibility from it too.

I still don't think you actually understand what we are talking about here. It isn't a link tool?

What will the agency do different to what I can do?

It is the same as using Wordpress rather than writing the html for every blog entry, it does the same thing but Wordpress makes it easier and quicker

Lisa: I don't think this tool will replace writers as people still need writers for the original article to spin

 

[DesignerNick]

Lets me see, this tool selects words at random, fitting them around the headline or keywords/text that's inputted. This is NOT new technology or innovative - this was done years ago - I remember reading about it.

I think everyone knows what this is and how it works, there's loads of tools that do this. Just another in a long line of spam-assist tools

It doesn't select them at random, it just throws words at you to choose from the same as it would if you manually looked in a Thesaurus.

If you don't have any experience of what we are talking about or how it works then how can you comment? Reading about something years ago doesn't make an expert

 

[terryuk]

OK... lets forget the tool, its efacacy (or not)

I personally think there shouldn't be a place for spinning at all. It just fills the internet up with content (or garbage - choose your poision) whose only purpose is to artificially promote a website so poor, it cant stand on its own feet

I'm sure a few hundred thousand more junk pages won't hurt. Look at your spam box, the Internets full of junk already a bit too late to try and save the World

The sites we promote aren't junk, I still think people are misunderstanding the principal behind spinning content.

 

[cmcp]

Do you think there's a place for someone to dictate what can and can't be freely posted on the internet? Is that a decision for the site owner?

 

[crossdaz]

Lisa: I don't think this tool will replace writers as people still need writers for the original article to spin

I think most of them just pinch someone elses - lots of our content now exists on other websites but it's just been rearranged.
Got an email from a big website yesterday (who ought to be able to afford better) asking us to link to a guide they had just published - it was a spun version of our own article?

 

[unet]

load up the best spinner - take an enzine, spin it 100 times making sure your new article is 70% unique. post it across 80 web 2 and article sites. you have a boost. Its not hard gentleman......and it works

 

[terryuk]

I'd take emphasis off the best spinner also, must have been mentioned 20 times already. SpinnerCheif is free + more ways to do it without software

 

[RedEvo]

OK... lets forget the tool, its efacacy (or not)

I personally think there shouldn't be a place for spinning at all. It just fills the internet up with content (or garbage - choose your poision) whose only purpose is to artificially promote a website so poor, it cant stand on its own feet

What about the owner of the great website whose site is being kept off a deserved top spot by sites using these shady techniques? It's sad but it does happen unfortunately.

Just another take from the "if you can't beat them" school of thought.

d

 

[terryuk]

What about the owner of the great website whose site is being kept off a deserved top spot by sites using these shady techniques? It's sad but it does happen unfortunately.

Just another take from the "if you can't beat them" school of thought.

d

That is true, but to be honest you know your going to see that site in 5 years to come. Probably in the same spot.

 

[DesignerNick]

How is article submission shady, if the content is decent? If somebody is being kept off the top spot by one of these "crappy junk sites that can't stand on their own 2 feet" then surely their site is not that great?

 

[DesignerNick]

what if every website owner produced a thousand spun and distributed content pages to promote thier site...

What if they did? What if they dugg everything? What if they tweeted it?

It is hard to see what you are getting at? Article Marketing is a well known method for SEO, one of the methods. I agree if it is a gibberish article that doesn't make sense it is pointless but it still works.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Lets me see, this tool selects words at random, fitting them around the headline or keywords/text that's inputted. This is NOT new technology or innovative - this was done years ago - I remember reading about it.

I think everyone knows what this is and how it works, there's loads of tools that do this. Just another in a long line of spam-assist tools

Thanks for proving confirmation that you do not know what we are discussing, that makes more sense now, as the sort of tool YOU are discussing is junk, so in that case, I agree with you.

Spinning by definition is not wrong. I love the way people feel they can decide what content a site should decide to publish. The site owner is the only person who can decide what is published on THEIR site.

If the content reads well as natural language, and it passes copyscape, can someone explain what is wrong here?

For the record, I use writers, so I don't see what the problem is with the writers complaining. the writers are not losing out, in fact they GAIN, as some of them can write spinning syntax which means they earn 300% more per article at least.

I don't use any less articles, I just spin them during submission to make them all more valuable to the publishing site and the client site. It is a symbiotic relationship where there is no loser.

I don't see what all the bickering is about.

 

[cmcp]

what if every website owner produced a thousand spun and distributed content pages to promote thier site...

Do you think there's a place for someone to dictate what can and can't be freely posted on the internet?

 

[MASSEY]

I personally think there shouldn't be a place for spinning at all. It just fills the internet up with content (or garbage - choose your poision) whose only purpose is to artificially promote a website so poor, it cant stand on its own feet

What is your definition of a website that can not stand on it's own two feet?

What use is it having a website promoting your business it is sat on page 10? because no one can find your content to go "that nice" and link to it. Not that the links come naturally very easy anymore.

 

[DesignerNick]

The site owner is the only person who can decide what is published on THEIR site.

They are gaining as they get the longtails and the adsense clicks, so it is a win win for them.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

I think what people seem to be missing is that they are arguing against article marketing as a method because.

method 1. submit asingle article to 30 sites.

method 2. Submit a unique version of the article to 30 sites..

still 30 submissions, still 30 pieces of content on the web, same quality for all 30 articles as theya re all natural language, what is the difference here?

Again though even if the spun content used for something like url descovery is crap, as long as it meets the standards set out by the publisher where is the wrong?

 

[Chunkford]

what if every website owner produced a thousand spun and distributed content pages to promote thier site...

Then think about where you would put them

 

[eventdomain]

What about the owner of the great website whose site is being kept off a deserved top spot by sites using these shady techniques? It's sad but it does happen unfortunately.

Just another take from the "if you can't beat them" school of thought.

d

See what your saying, but if site owners cant get their site ranking using 'search engine friendly' methods, it says a lot about them.

If we look at this article tool (and it is a tool), it may not have been designed to speed up article spamming, but it will be used for that - and we all know the engines love that. Why does everyone look at trying to beat the engines, they know it cant be done, you cant win and any sort of shady stuff is going to pee them off.

Its not worth it for such short-term gain, and when you get penalised - is it really worth all this?

it just throws words at you to choose from the same as it would if you manually looked in a Thesaurus

Ok, so it throws words, so it suggests words. Seems like a lot of hassle to me, and writing an article from scratch just sounds easier.

 

[RedEvo]

what if every website owner produced a thousand spun and distributed content pages to promote thier site...

Missing my point. I hate spam of any kind. However, when spammers are ranking and doing good business by using shady techniques, and have held their rankings for years even the most ethical of business owners are going to say enough is enough.

My argument against spam is that, as you indicate, anyone can do it. However, if you've got a great site that's being held off the top spot by a site relying on spam all you have to is replicate the spam. When the spam is discovered your site will stay put because it's underpinned by merit based links an the sites relying on spam will drop off the radar, but in the meantime you generate business.

This isn't something I endorse but it's what legit sites are doing out of frustration.

d

 

[Chunkford]

See what your saying, but if site owners cant get their site ranking using 'search engine friendly' methods, it says a lot about them.

True, but the person who does it the 'search engine friendly' way will have less money in the pot that the person who's tickling Google and Co in the right way.
It costs money, lots of money to do it within their TOS. Something that most businesses don't have lying around in the petty cash tin. A dilemma to which it boils down too really, and something every business owner looks at and assesses the risk in their own head.

 

[MASSEY]

See what your saying, but if site owners cant get their site ranking using 'search engine friendly' methods, it says a lot about them.

Well what does it say about you? you have a site that gets advertised in papers and on other portals but the seo of your site in relation to rank is pretty diabolical, would you say?

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The future is bleak for people who hit start on xrummer, but there is clever spam around. Sites that look normal but provide a few little helpful link here and there. That sort of seo will be hard to devalue.

 

[DesignerNick]

Missing my point. I hate spam of any kind. However, when spammers are ranking and doing good business by using shady techniques, and have held their rankings for years even the most ethical of business owners are going to say enough is enough.

My argument against spam is that, as you indicate, anyone can do it. However, if you've got a great site that's being held off the top spot by a site relying on spam all you have to is replicate the spam. When the spam is discovered your site will stay put because it's underpinned by merit based links an the sites relying on spam will drop off the radar, but in the meantime you generate business.

This isn't something I endorse but it's what legit sites are doing out of frustration.

d

I am not sure why articles would be classed as spam? Isn't spam unwanted? These articles are accepted onto sites? I agree about the really bad crap articles that I personally wouldn't use but they still work for other people.

Try telling ezinearticles they are spammy, they probably make stupid amounts via Adsense so I am not sure if they are bothered about everything that gets submitted to their site?

Surely if people are using Article Marketing and it is ranking above the "ethical" and "amazing" sites then either the SEO is shoddy on those sites or the article marketing is making a huge difference?

Eventdomain: It does take time to get an article's syntax to be perfect, it isn't a quick fix but this is why it is effective and the articles look decent.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Ok, so it throws words, so it suggests words. Seems like a lot of hassle to me, and writing an article from scratch just sounds easier.

ED. we ARE talking about writing articles from scratch, you write the wrticle from scratch with spinning syntax included. It is the same as rewriting it manually just more complicated initially, but then far faster than re-writing it manually 30 times.

I don't think there is any more to say on this debate for me, my head is 'spinning'

 

[Working First Aid]

I will be spinning articles once my site is up and running.

Original will go on my site, then when indexed I will spin the article 4 times to create good quality, unique content, which will go on 4 good article sites.

I don't feel that this is morally wrong, and the time taken will be negligable I think.

 

[I, Brian]

This isn't something I endorse but it's what legit sites are doing out of frustration.

More like lack of creativity and imagination.

 

[loubycee]

in my experience and opinion spinning is just a cheap way to take and turn aroun someone elses copy....

would you seriously be proud to know that all your 'bought' copy was just taken from someone elses without an ounce of research? Copy that doesn't necessarily take into account your industry, your competition, your mission and your goals?

Honestly can't understand anymore. It's big business, but I challenge anyone to tell me how valuable it is on a personal and unique business level

 

[DesignerNick]

You are still misunderstanding the point of it

 

[crossdaz]

You are still misunderstanding the point of it

She isn't misunderstanding it at all. How many of the low rent seo's do you think are starting off with with their own content - very few, they are nicking other peoples. You have a jerk in this thread bragging about stealing ezine content?

 

[DesignerNick]

She isn't misunderstanding it at all. How many of the low rent seo's do you think are starting off with with their own content - very few, they are nicking other peoples. You have a jerk in this thread bragging about stealing ezine content?

Yes, but anybody can steal content. It doesn't mean it is to be spun.

I was referring to the point about spinning just being for stealing content.

 

[crossdaz]

Yes, but anybody can steal content. It doesn't mean it is to be spun.

I accept this - but in a lot of cases this is what happens.

 

[DesignerNick]

I accept this - but in a lot of cases this is what happens.

I don't condone it but it is better than them just copying and pasting. If anything a lot more people don't even go to the effort of spinning it, they just copy and paste