Spinning content for link building

[OldWelshGuy]

I think what people seem to be missing is that they are arguing against article marketing as a method because.

method 1. submit asingle article to 30 sites.

method 2. Submit a unique version of the article to 30 sites..

still 30 submissions, still 30 pieces of content on the web, same quality for all 30 articles as theya re all natural language, what is the difference here?

Again though even if the spun content used for something like url descovery is crap, as long as it meets the standards set out by the publisher where is the wrong?

 

[Chunkford]

what if every website owner produced a thousand spun and distributed content pages to promote thier site...

Then think about where you would put them

 

[eventdomain]

What about the owner of the great website whose site is being kept off a deserved top spot by sites using these shady techniques? It's sad but it does happen unfortunately.

Just another take from the "if you can't beat them" school of thought.

d

See what your saying, but if site owners cant get their site ranking using 'search engine friendly' methods, it says a lot about them.

If we look at this article tool (and it is a tool), it may not have been designed to speed up article spamming, but it will be used for that - and we all know the engines love that. Why does everyone look at trying to beat the engines, they know it cant be done, you cant win and any sort of shady stuff is going to pee them off.

Its not worth it for such short-term gain, and when you get penalised - is it really worth all this?

it just throws words at you to choose from the same as it would if you manually looked in a Thesaurus

Ok, so it throws words, so it suggests words. Seems like a lot of hassle to me, and writing an article from scratch just sounds easier.

 

[RedEvo]

what if every website owner produced a thousand spun and distributed content pages to promote thier site...

Missing my point. I hate spam of any kind. However, when spammers are ranking and doing good business by using shady techniques, and have held their rankings for years even the most ethical of business owners are going to say enough is enough.

My argument against spam is that, as you indicate, anyone can do it. However, if you've got a great site that's being held off the top spot by a site relying on spam all you have to is replicate the spam. When the spam is discovered your site will stay put because it's underpinned by merit based links an the sites relying on spam will drop off the radar, but in the meantime you generate business.

This isn't something I endorse but it's what legit sites are doing out of frustration.

d

 

[Chunkford]

See what your saying, but if site owners cant get their site ranking using 'search engine friendly' methods, it says a lot about them.

True, but the person who does it the 'search engine friendly' way will have less money in the pot that the person who's tickling Google and Co in the right way.
It costs money, lots of money to do it within their TOS. Something that most businesses don't have lying around in the petty cash tin. A dilemma to which it boils down too really, and something every business owner looks at and assesses the risk in their own head.

 

[MASSEY]

See what your saying, but if site owners cant get their site ranking using 'search engine friendly' methods, it says a lot about them.

Well what does it say about you? you have a site that gets advertised in papers and on other portals but the seo of your site in relation to rank is pretty diabolical, would you say?

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The future is bleak for people who hit start on xrummer, but there is clever spam around. Sites that look normal but provide a few little helpful link here and there. That sort of seo will be hard to devalue.

 

[DesignerNick]

Missing my point. I hate spam of any kind. However, when spammers are ranking and doing good business by using shady techniques, and have held their rankings for years even the most ethical of business owners are going to say enough is enough.

My argument against spam is that, as you indicate, anyone can do it. However, if you've got a great site that's being held off the top spot by a site relying on spam all you have to is replicate the spam. When the spam is discovered your site will stay put because it's underpinned by merit based links an the sites relying on spam will drop off the radar, but in the meantime you generate business.

This isn't something I endorse but it's what legit sites are doing out of frustration.

d

I am not sure why articles would be classed as spam? Isn't spam unwanted? These articles are accepted onto sites? I agree about the really bad crap articles that I personally wouldn't use but they still work for other people.

Try telling ezinearticles they are spammy, they probably make stupid amounts via Adsense so I am not sure if they are bothered about everything that gets submitted to their site?

Surely if people are using Article Marketing and it is ranking above the "ethical" and "amazing" sites then either the SEO is shoddy on those sites or the article marketing is making a huge difference?

Eventdomain: It does take time to get an article's syntax to be perfect, it isn't a quick fix but this is why it is effective and the articles look decent.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Ok, so it throws words, so it suggests words. Seems like a lot of hassle to me, and writing an article from scratch just sounds easier.

ED. we ARE talking about writing articles from scratch, you write the wrticle from scratch with spinning syntax included. It is the same as rewriting it manually just more complicated initially, but then far faster than re-writing it manually 30 times.

I don't think there is any more to say on this debate for me, my head is 'spinning'

 

[Working First Aid]

I will be spinning articles once my site is up and running.

Original will go on my site, then when indexed I will spin the article 4 times to create good quality, unique content, which will go on 4 good article sites.

I don't feel that this is morally wrong, and the time taken will be negligable I think.

 

[I, Brian]

This isn't something I endorse but it's what legit sites are doing out of frustration.

More like lack of creativity and imagination.

 

[loubycee]

in my experience and opinion spinning is just a cheap way to take and turn aroun someone elses copy....

would you seriously be proud to know that all your 'bought' copy was just taken from someone elses without an ounce of research? Copy that doesn't necessarily take into account your industry, your competition, your mission and your goals?

Honestly can't understand anymore. It's big business, but I challenge anyone to tell me how valuable it is on a personal and unique business level

 

[DesignerNick]

You are still misunderstanding the point of it

 

[crossdaz]

You are still misunderstanding the point of it

She isn't misunderstanding it at all. How many of the low rent seo's do you think are starting off with with their own content - very few, they are nicking other peoples. You have a jerk in this thread bragging about stealing ezine content?

 

[DesignerNick]

She isn't misunderstanding it at all. How many of the low rent seo's do you think are starting off with with their own content - very few, they are nicking other peoples. You have a jerk in this thread bragging about stealing ezine content?

Yes, but anybody can steal content. It doesn't mean it is to be spun.

I was referring to the point about spinning just being for stealing content.

 

[crossdaz]

Yes, but anybody can steal content. It doesn't mean it is to be spun.

I accept this - but in a lot of cases this is what happens.

 

[DesignerNick]

I accept this - but in a lot of cases this is what happens.

I don't condone it but it is better than them just copying and pasting. If anything a lot more people don't even go to the effort of spinning it, they just copy and paste

 

[crossdaz]

I don't condone it but it is better than them just copying and pasting. If anything a lot more people don't even go to the effort of spinning it, they just copy and paste

Yes and in most cases it doesn't get them anywhere becuase it's easy to filter out. You don't need to think very hard to see why an auto spinning solution might be attractive to these people?
So your content is copied lots of times and is more or less the same but just different enough to get indexed!

This isn't an argument about the effectiveness of spinned content - just an observation on how these things are sometimes used for other purposes.

 

[cakeboy]

Just to go off on a tangent here;

Where do you submit these 1000 articles? Is it a 1000 different ezine sites or 1000 articles to one site?

Can you supply a list (either on the forum or by PM).

Can I also throw Jet Spinner into the mix - thats the one we use.

 

[JohnnyCash]

She isn't misunderstanding it at all. How many of the low rent seo's do you think are starting off with with their own content - very few, they are nicking other peoples. You have a jerk in this thread bragging about stealing ezine content?

Now that is just a pointless assumption... I think anyone stealing the content in the first place isn't going to go to the time and expense of spinning it properly - they'll just scrape 100 different sources automatically.

I just buy the source article for $10 from textbroker, problem solved.

 

[Chunkford]

Just to go off on a tangent here;

Where do you submit these 1000 articles? Is it a 1000 different ezine sites or 1000 articles to one site?

Can you supply a list (either on the forum or by PM).

Can I also throw Jet Spinner into the mix - thats the one we use.

Don't go off topic, this thread's entertaining

BTW, why don't you Google that software you mentioned and see if there is anything there that can help you

 

[ORDERED WEB]

You are still misunderstanding the point of it

You keep saying this...instead perhaps it might be helpful if you tried to explain the point of it

 

[DesignerNick]

Basically...

Spinning is used when you want multiple versions of an article and when done properly then it is pretty transparent and you can't tell that it is spun.

If you are promoting a certain page then you can have an article written (some writers can write them in spinning syntax for an extra charge) and then spin it. You can then have 100, 200 or pretty much as many articles as you want that are unique and related to your page. You can either submit them to article sites, use them on bought blog posts or pretty much anything you want to do with them.

It isn't taking work away from writers, how often do writers get asked to write 100 articles that are basically written the same but unique?

People keep saying that you need decent copy on your site to keep people on there and buy whatever you are selling and spun can't be used. The spun posts aren't used on the main site, they are used elsewhere.

It isn't really classed as spam as spam is unwanted. Article Site owners want as much content as they can get as it generated them long tail traffic which generates them and clicks and in return you get a back link.

People seem to contradict, they say it doesn't work and then say what about the "Great Sites" that are not ranking because of people using these methods. Are they really that great if they are being kept off the top spot because of it?

I don't understand people saying how unethical it is and how it is wrong to use article marketing if it works? It is not like Blog or Forum Spam, the article sites are based on this kind of thing and they make money from it. Maybe I am just naive.

All the talk of cheating is a bit confusing? Is there a rule book? If it works then surely why not use it? What is not cheating?

Yes, people may use stolen content to spin but surely that is better than the person who just copies and pastes? (Not Condoning)

 

[MASSEY]

RadiusBPO (Andy) spun an article for me a couple of weeks back and it has worked.

These are examples of the spin

http://www.scooparticle.com/Art/411...iler-Installation-Plumbers-in-Birmingham.html<<<Removed by request>>>

They make no sense what so ever but that does not matter does it. They are there for the links.

The text is unique and the content is related to that of the site they link to.

It worked well and i think i will be joining the article spinning club