Spinning content for link building

[DesignerNick]

Yeah, I'll do that, but I fancy a few more finalist awards first though...

Whatever makes you happy, I am not sure if that was a dig or I was meant to be envious of a bit of paper saying you have been nominated for a 2 bit award.

If you were to spend a bit more time working on your website and optimising it and listening to what people say other than bragging about award nominations and being in the local paper, you could spend your time making your website better

I was just trying to help by saying if you optimise you will get a lot more traffic from the longtails but you have been nominated for awards so you know better than everybody else...again.

You should read what people say and why they say it before commenting and saying you know best, you could learn a lot.

 

[ORDERED WEB]

I think people are glossing over the questions and mixing up the ansers that have been raised in different parts of the thread

1. Should you spin articles at all?
2. If you do think you should spin, what quality level is needed?
3. Is the tool up to the job as defined in part 2
4. If the tool is partially up to the job, how much extra intervention is needed (hence my dying of boredom comment when referencing 1000 spun articles)
5. Once you have a pile of articles - spun or not, where are they best placed?

 

[DesignerNick]

I think people are glossing over the questions and mixing up the ansers that have been raised in different parts of the thread

1. Should you spin articles at all?
2. If you do think you should spin, what quality level is needed?
3. Is the tool up to the job as defined in part 2
4. If the tool is partially up to the job, how much extra intervention is needed (hence my dying of boredom comment when referencing 1000 spun articles)
5. Once you have a pile of articles - spun or not, where are they best placed?

The Software is just as good as the person using it. If the user wants it to automatically spin the article then the outcome will be awful but on the other hand if the user takes their time ensuring the outcome will be decent then it will be fine.

Some people aren't bothered if they make sense and just bang out 100 articles that look stupid and don't make sense. I am personally a bit too picky when it comes to things like that so make sure that the finished articles will make sense as well as the spelling being correct for the target audience.

Once you have set up the article with the syntax you can pretty much make thousands of articles within seconds.

 

[louandel]

why not just write 4 pages of great unique content. We dont want the internet filled up with this crap, we dont want to read crrap, even if you get a visitor, if the content is crap, they will go elsewhere

This is so true. The first rule of SEO. If the content sucks people leave.
You can get people coming to your site but if what they find their is rubbish they dont stay and you don't sell a thing. There is nothing like good quality unique articles with a balanced density of keywords.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

This is so true. The first rule of SEO. If the content sucks people leave.
You can get people coming to your site but if what they find their is rubbish they dont stay and you don't sell a thing. There is nothing like good quality unique articles with a balanced density of keywords.

Another person misses what is being said

The spun content is there to carry links on sites other than your own.

The money site has good quality content. The lesser quality content goes to sites that make their money via contextual advertising, picking up long tail traffic and getting clicks etc.

 

[JohnnyCash]

I'm assuming OP that you are being paid for such good promotion of this tool?

*sigh*, do you even read threads before commenting? The tool isn't for sale, we developed it in house. Its a php script and I posted it in this thread where anyone can use it for free.

If you want to spin articles then that's fine and dandy for you, but as you posted on an open forum I thought I would give my opinion on it. You may think it's wrong as is your entitlement, but nevertheless I assert the right to have opinions and I can at least voice them in a way that is polite.

Sure, and we will start to take your opinion seriously when you read threads before giving said opinion…

Having looked at your first post and the link to the medical site, the test articles you did all sound very 'samey'. The wording may have changed but the style is exactly the same. It's not witty or enthusiastic and would not, as a visitor, grab my interest at all.

I agree that they are samey, but they are textually unique. With the grabbing your interest, you're missing the point completely - they are not meant to be read by you. A couple of hundred "samey" posts have a link in them to my main article. This makes my main article rank. This article will not be spun, but higher quality, written from scratch and well researched. You are not going to see the spun ones at all.

However if you are merely playing for high SEO then perhaps you have a point. Perhaps that is your main objective? But what about keeping the visitor once they are there? For instance how long does the average visitor stay on your site? Seconds? Do they click on other links in the site?

Varies from site to site, but I suspect you still think they're reading the spun content on my site - they're not.

You seem to be very convinced of this tool. However I wonder if this would suit all site owners. Some want articles that can connect with their visitor, interest them, keep them browsing through the site and make them laugh. I don't think there is a tool for that.

I agree, there isn't a tool that can create high quality content for your own site, that needs doing the old fashioned way. The spun content is merely a method to get your good content ranking well.

'Tis just my opinion however, take it or leave it. I've a feeling you'll do the latter Johnny

Since you've completely failed to understand the thread and the concept behind it, I'm afraid I'm going to have to do the latter for now

 

[Gedge]

Just a quick reply to say this is a great thread for 2 reasons. Firstly, I will be testing these article spinners right away. I'll just have to find some good places to post them. Finally, eventdomain's Youtube video just completed my life. Got some respect for you for posting it but that really is in no way beneficial for your credibility. I'm not trying to get at you but we all have our skills and weaknesses and you should have realised that you just are not charismatic enough at the moment to be on film.

Gedge

 

[louandel]

Another person misses what is being said

The spun content is there to carry links on sites other than your own.

The money site has good quality content. The lesser quality content goes to sites that make their money via contextual advertising, picking up long tail traffic and getting clicks etc.

Nonsense. I havent missed the point at all. All content if it links back to your site is a reflection of your brand. If that content is sub standard- doesn't make sense, or is poor copy that will reflect on your brand. And even if the keywords get the person to the site who is likely to click further to the site when faced with rubbish??

louandel

 

[RedEvo]

Nonsense. I havent missed the point at all. All content if it links back to your site is a reflection of your brand. If that content is sub standard- doesn't make sense, or is poor copy that will reflect on your brand. And even if the keywords get the person to the site who is likely to click further to the site when faced with rubbish??

louandel

The spun content doesn't rank, it simply exists and nobody ever sees it. All it does is satisfy Google's 'inadequate' algorithm. It's a sad state of affairs brought about by man's inhumanity to man

d

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Nonsense. I havent missed the point at all. All content if it links back to your site is a reflection of your brand. If that content is sub standard- doesn't make sense, or is poor copy that will reflect on your brand. And even if the keywords get the person to the site who is likely to click further to the site when faced with rubbish??

louandel

Yep, you missed what was said and is being said, this is the second time.

'the person' is not going to read these articles, they are there to get link juice to the main site or possibly a site that links to the main site.

You have also completey changed the argument to the one I replied to. you didn't mention 'reflection on the brand' your original argument was that it would not convert.

All I see in this thread are people arguing about stuff just for the sake of arguing, as it is clear that many (not saying you), have not read the thread and/or not grasped what the purpose and proposal was/is.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

The spun content doesn't rank, it simply exists and nobody ever sees it. All it does is satisfy Google's 'inadequate' algorithm. It's a sad state of affairs brought about by man's inhumanity to man

d

Sadly that is the truth, and we have been saying it for years. Google wants top quality content, but if you build a top quality content site it ignores you UNLESS you get links into that site. So to satisfy the algorithm that wants to deliver top quality content, site owners need to populate the web with sub standard content. It is a situation brought about by Google themselves.

 

[RedEvo]

Sadly that is the truth, and we have been saying it for years. Google wants top quality content, but if you build a top quality content site it ignores you UNLESS you get links into that site. So to satisfy the algorithm that wants to deliver top quality content, site owners need to populate the web with sub standard content. It is a situation brought about by Google themselves.

I agree but it's a mute point as to whether it's Google's fault. They have said if people link to content it indicates quality so people have abused that. I'm still waiting for a better way of automatically measuring quality and popularity that gets round the inevitable abuse that will happen.

Yes Google should have (and did) realise their algo was open to abuse but I'm not sure it follows that the mess we have is their fault. It's a philosophical argument

d

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Yep, I should have worded it that the problem has been brought about by the heavy dependency of their algorithm on links from other sites, resulting in the quality of a site not being the deciding factor directly.

'their fault' was too simplistic, I agree

 

[RadiusBPO]

I agree but it's a mute point as to whether it's Google's fault. They have said if people link to content it indicates quality so people have abused that. I'm still waiting for a better way of automatically measuring quality and popularity that gets round the inevitable abuse that will happen.

Yes Google should have (and did) realise their algo was open to abuse but I'm not sure it follows that the mess we have is their fault. It's a philosophical argument

d

Their search results are still mostly good though. I'd say the main mess with Google is their own recent tweets / videos / news / places messing things up with content not related to the original search.

With a system based on off page content or on page content there will always be ways to exploit it. Before automation it was only people with big budgets buying links, paying for blog posts, commissioning professional writers and PR teams. With automation it levels the playing field.

 

[fisicx]

But for many niche sites who have a well built site with good (relevant) content automated link building just isn't necessary. A couple of decent inbound link is all Google needs. People make things far too difficult for themselves and use shortcuts rather than make sure their websites meet the various SE guidelines.

Yes of course spinning has it's uses but it's just one tool that may be of use to some sites. If your site is pants and ranks down in the bottom of the well, spinning isn't necessarily going to be a magic wand and suddenly propel you onto page 1.

 

[MASSEY]

But for many niche sites who have a well built site with good (relevant) content automated link building just isn't necessary. A couple of decent inbound link is all Google needs. People make things far too difficult for themselves and use shortcuts rather than make sure their websites meet the various SE guidelines.

It is probably an overkill for niche / weak seo areas but if it gets you up the rankings quicker then it don't matter really does it. If you have good onsite seo and a reasonable amount of natural links an article spin could be all you need to be #1. It's one of many ways to game the system, it is very hard for Biz sites to attract links in a natural manner without putting a hell of a lot of effort in.

 

[fisicx]

Missed the point of what I was trying to say. If the target site is pants then all the spinning and other automated tricks aren't going to help. You neede a decent site to start with otherwise all your link building efforts come to naught. But if you have a well built site niche then you probably don't need to do any link building anyway as the site will rank well on its own merits.

 

[JohnnyCash]

Missed the point of what I was trying to say. If the target site is pants then all the spinning and other automated tricks aren't going to help. You neede a decent site to start with otherwise all your link building efforts come to naught.

I'm not suggesting you do it, but you can rank an extremely garbage site if you get it enough links. You don't need good content to rank in search engines. With poor content your conversions would obviously be terrible, although if you had an Adsense site it wouldn't really matter how bad your content was.

But if you have a well built site niche then you probably don't need to do any link building anyway as the site will rank well on its own merits.

Not needing to link build? Thats extremely idealistic, and that approach in any semi profitable keyword will get you absolutely nowhere.

You can have the best design, the best content, the best product and the best pricing, but people are not going to naturally write blog posts that start with:

All my hair fell out, I felt inadequate so I bought some hair replacement treatment from www.

I was having some serious problems in the bedroom and the mrs was sleeping with the milk man. Luckily some little blue tablets saved the day, I got them from www.

I'm an idiot who can't live within my means. Thankfully I managed to screw all my creditors and avoid paying rightful debts by getting an IVA from www.

I really enjoy dressing in womans clothes, hopefully my wife won't see this post and realise I buy XXXXL dresses for men from www.



Extreme examples I know, but even in niches that are not embarrassing to be associated with, all of the webmasters these days know the value of links and they are extremely reluctant to link out to commercial sites with valuable anchor texts. You need to generate these links from somewhere if you want to rank.

 

[fisicx]

Beg to differ. There are thousands of lead generating websites that rank well and get sufficient visitors to make the business viable who don't have lots of inbound links.

Of course I'm not suggesting this is possible for 'viagra' or 'cheap insurance' but for the majority of small businesses the strength of the content/ internal linking is enough to get them to rank well without lots of link building.

 

[eventdomain]

If you do a crappy job with the spun article then it will look shocking, won't make sense and will look spammy so won't get accepted.

There was a similar text tool that hit the web a few years back, but that was a pile of crap as well. So basically, spinning articles has just been automated with a device that works out various words, so people dont have to type it in. And you dont think this will have a 'uniform look'? the engines will lock on to this so fast, you wont believe it, and then its game over.

I don't think Johnny or anybody was saying just by using this it will get you ranked for competitive terms but it does help.

I see many getting their work devalued over this, using auto tools. Why do so many feel it necessary to 'cheat' to get decent results, I know why and its laziness, pure and simple. An effortless business????? there's no such thing.

If its spin you want, just hire a good agency and they'll do a great job, far superior than some glorified link tool will ever do. You'd get credibility from it too.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Why are people not getting how this works?

the BRAIN is what rewrites, the script just handles it, there is no difference in using a spinning tool professionally than rewriting an article manuallynone, none at all, not a bean not a sausage.

How is the Internet full of Luddites

 

[LisaV]

All I see right now is a load of people trying out outdo each other with their superior knowledge of the inner workings of Google.

Johnny said he'd only take me seriously if I read the thread properly, but if I did that then I would feel cheated at the time I had just wasted in reading more blunt comments and tic for tac arguments. This isn't a discussion about whether or not the script works anymore.

Obviously as a writer who earns a living doing this, I don't want to see it being used. I also think that as more and more people rely on spinning articles, then Google will have to re-think their strategy. And they will. I reckon my job is safe for now.

Back to squabbling then!

 

[eventdomain]

Why are people not getting how this works?

the BRAIN is what rewrites, the script just handles it, there is no difference in using a spinning tool professionally than rewriting an article manuallynone, none at all, not a bean not a sausage.

How is the Internet full of Luddites

Lets me see, this tool selects words at random, fitting them around the headline or keywords/text that's inputted. This is NOT new technology or innovative - this was done years ago - I remember reading about it.

I think everyone knows what this is and how it works, there's loads of tools that do this. Just another in a long line of spam-assist tools

 

[DesignerNick]

I see many getting their work devalued over this, using auto tools. Why do so many feel it necessary to 'cheat' to get decent results, I know why and its laziness, pure and simple. An effortless business????? there's no such thing.

If its spin you want, just hire a good agency and they'll do a great job, far superior than some glorified link tool will ever do. You'd get credibility from it too.

I still don't think you actually understand what we are talking about here. It isn't a link tool?

What will the agency do different to what I can do?

It is the same as using Wordpress rather than writing the html for every blog entry, it does the same thing but Wordpress makes it easier and quicker

Lisa: I don't think this tool will replace writers as people still need writers for the original article to spin

 

[DesignerNick]

Lets me see, this tool selects words at random, fitting them around the headline or keywords/text that's inputted. This is NOT new technology or innovative - this was done years ago - I remember reading about it.

I think everyone knows what this is and how it works, there's loads of tools that do this. Just another in a long line of spam-assist tools

It doesn't select them at random, it just throws words at you to choose from the same as it would if you manually looked in a Thesaurus.

If you don't have any experience of what we are talking about or how it works then how can you comment? Reading about something years ago doesn't make an expert

 

[ORDERED WEB]

OK... lets forget the tool, its efacacy (or not)

I personally think there shouldn't be a place for spinning at all. It just fills the internet up with content (or garbage - choose your poision) whose only purpose is to artificially promote a website so poor, it cant stand on its own feet

 

[terryuk]

OK... lets forget the tool, its efacacy (or not)

I personally think there shouldn't be a place for spinning at all. It just fills the internet up with content (or garbage - choose your poision) whose only purpose is to artificially promote a website so poor, it cant stand on its own feet

I'm sure a few hundred thousand more junk pages won't hurt. Look at your spam box, the Internets full of junk already a bit too late to try and save the World

The sites we promote aren't junk, I still think people are misunderstanding the principal behind spinning content.

 

[cmcp]

Do you think there's a place for someone to dictate what can and can't be freely posted on the internet? Is that a decision for the site owner?

 

[crossdaz]

Lisa: I don't think this tool will replace writers as people still need writers for the original article to spin

I think most of them just pinch someone elses - lots of our content now exists on other websites but it's just been rearranged.
Got an email from a big website yesterday (who ought to be able to afford better) asking us to link to a guide they had just published - it was a spun version of our own article?

 

[unet]

load up the best spinner - take an enzine, spin it 100 times making sure your new article is 70% unique. post it across 80 web 2 and article sites. you have a boost. Its not hard gentleman......and it works

 

[terryuk]

I'd take emphasis off the best spinner also, must have been mentioned 20 times already. SpinnerCheif is free + more ways to do it without software

 

[RedEvo]

OK... lets forget the tool, its efacacy (or not)

I personally think there shouldn't be a place for spinning at all. It just fills the internet up with content (or garbage - choose your poision) whose only purpose is to artificially promote a website so poor, it cant stand on its own feet

What about the owner of the great website whose site is being kept off a deserved top spot by sites using these shady techniques? It's sad but it does happen unfortunately.

Just another take from the "if you can't beat them" school of thought.

d

 

[terryuk]

What about the owner of the great website whose site is being kept off a deserved top spot by sites using these shady techniques? It's sad but it does happen unfortunately.

Just another take from the "if you can't beat them" school of thought.

d

That is true, but to be honest you know your going to see that site in 5 years to come. Probably in the same spot.

 

[ORDERED WEB]

All I see right now is a load of people trying out outdo each other with their superior knowledge of the inner workings of Google.

Johnny said he'd only take me seriously if I read the thread properly, but if I did that then I would feel cheated at the time I had just wasted in reading more blunt comments and tic for tac arguments. This isn't a discussion about whether or not the script works anymore.

Obviously as a writer who earns a living doing this, I don't want to see it being used. I also think that as more and more people rely on spinning articles, then Google will have to re-think their strategy. And they will. I reckon my job is safe for now.

Back to squabbling then!

What about the owner of the great website whose site is being kept off a deserved top spot by sites using these shady techniques? It's sad but it does happen unfortunately.

Just another take from the "if you can't beat them" school of thought.

d

what if every website owner produced a thousand spun and distributed content pages to promote thier site...

 

[DesignerNick]

How is article submission shady, if the content is decent? If somebody is being kept off the top spot by one of these "crappy junk sites that can't stand on their own 2 feet" then surely their site is not that great?

 

[DesignerNick]

what if every website owner produced a thousand spun and distributed content pages to promote thier site...

What if they did? What if they dugg everything? What if they tweeted it?

It is hard to see what you are getting at? Article Marketing is a well known method for SEO, one of the methods. I agree if it is a gibberish article that doesn't make sense it is pointless but it still works.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Lets me see, this tool selects words at random, fitting them around the headline or keywords/text that's inputted. This is NOT new technology or innovative - this was done years ago - I remember reading about it.

I think everyone knows what this is and how it works, there's loads of tools that do this. Just another in a long line of spam-assist tools

Thanks for proving confirmation that you do not know what we are discussing, that makes more sense now, as the sort of tool YOU are discussing is junk, so in that case, I agree with you.

Spinning by definition is not wrong. I love the way people feel they can decide what content a site should decide to publish. The site owner is the only person who can decide what is published on THEIR site.

If the content reads well as natural language, and it passes copyscape, can someone explain what is wrong here?

For the record, I use writers, so I don't see what the problem is with the writers complaining. the writers are not losing out, in fact they GAIN, as some of them can write spinning syntax which means they earn 300% more per article at least.

I don't use any less articles, I just spin them during submission to make them all more valuable to the publishing site and the client site. It is a symbiotic relationship where there is no loser.

I don't see what all the bickering is about.

 

[cmcp]

what if every website owner produced a thousand spun and distributed content pages to promote thier site...

Do you think there's a place for someone to dictate what can and can't be freely posted on the internet?

 

[MASSEY]

I personally think there shouldn't be a place for spinning at all. It just fills the internet up with content (or garbage - choose your poision) whose only purpose is to artificially promote a website so poor, it cant stand on its own feet

What is your definition of a website that can not stand on it's own two feet?

What use is it having a website promoting your business it is sat on page 10? because no one can find your content to go "that nice" and link to it. Not that the links come naturally very easy anymore.

 

[DesignerNick]

The site owner is the only person who can decide what is published on THEIR site.

They are gaining as they get the longtails and the adsense clicks, so it is a win win for them.