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  • #41
    Faevilangel said:
    Personally I wouldn't talk to anyone who has posted in this post as they all have just said "i do this, we do this blah blah blah....". Do your own research and find someone who actually can talk about something else rather than themselves.
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    I don't think that's a particularly fair comment mate, the OP did ask for ballpark figures for a website development which several people here, based on their own experience provided, so aside the usual bickering on here, he pretty much got what he asked for.
     
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    DPOM said:
    I don't think that's a particularly fair comment mate, the OP did ask for ballpark figures for a website development which several people here, based on their own experience provided, so aside the usual bickering on here, he pretty much got what he asked for.
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    The op said:
    what sort of ball park figure could i expect for a custom built ecomm site?
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    They didn't ask for a sales spiel about what packages you offer and what you do etc. I am getting really pissed off with companies offering their services when it's not asked for or needed. If I can put a post up without putting "I can do this for £1200" then anyone can. Just by posting, "In my experience, an ecommeerce site can range from £xxx to £xx,xxx" then you're not self promoting. Are you really that desperate for work?
     
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  • #45
    Faevilangel said:
    There is much more to a business than a website... How will you market the site? Search engine optimisation? Newspaper adverts? You could have the best website in the world but if you get no targeted visitors, you're not going to get any sales. Does your £3k include marketing?

    Personally I wouldn't talk to anyone who has posted in this post as they all have just said "i do this, we do this blah blah blah....". Do your own research and find someone who actually can talk about something else rather than themselves.

    There are so many web developer than you really are spoilt for choice with your budget. Find someone you like and who talks the talk and you can get along with.

    As you want an ecommerce store, look at existing carts and find one that suits your needs. You will then be able to narrow down the developers and most carts will have a custom development service or provide a list of developers they recommend.
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    Regarding marketing, i ahve already quite abit of research, regarding primary research through my dads establbusiness, google insights, keyword research tools, and alot of other methods. I already have my marketing planned for offline through leaflets,brochures etc to variuos places within central london. I have done quite abit of esearching etc. So i guess I am like 70% through all that, but still more research to go before I start any website, i just wanted to get a flavour of what people were quotign and saying here on what they could do:).
     
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    Faevilangel said:
    The op said:


    They didn't ask for a sales spiel about what packages you offer and what you do etc. I am getting really pissed off with companies offering their services when it's not asked for or needed. If I can put a post up without putting "I can do this for £1200" then anyone can. Just by posting, "In my experience, an ecommeerce site can range from £xxx to £xx,xxx" then you're not self promoting. Are you really that desperate for work?
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    To be fair, I wouldn't let it bother you that much, its a business forum, its always going to happen.
     
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    polygon said:
    Regarding marketing, i ahve already quite abit of research, regarding primary research through my dads establbusiness, google insights, keyword research tools, and alot of other methods. I already have my marketing planned for offline through leaflets,brochures etc to variuos places within central london. I have done quite abit of esearching etc. So i guess I am like 70% through all that, but still more research to go before I start any website, i just wanted to get a flavour of what people were quotign and saying here on what they could do:).
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    You're a rare breed :D You won't believe how many people don't do any research on their market, potential customers and how to target them before getting a website done.

    As I said in another post, do some research on cart systems so it gives you an idea on what features you will need and then you can target developers who work on that cart. You have the money so don't let a developer tell you what they can do, you tell them what you want the site to do.
     
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    Mike tells it like it is

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    well if someone asks for a price for a service then people who can provide that service will say it will cost xyz.

    As the guy is on a limited budget I gave him an idea of options that give good results for a reasonable price.

    which I believe is what he asked for.

    As I live in a house which I own outright (no mortgage) I ain't desperate for anything.

    As for the way the economy I would imagine a lot of people will be fighting for every order and every penny-that does not mean they are being dishonest or giving bad advice.

    If you read the posts back I offered an opinion and was belittled and told that any site built for less than £25k would be cack-which is complete nonsense.

    So who is self promoting I wonder.

    I do believe some of your comments are unfounded.
     
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    Mike tells it like it is said:
    well if someone asks for a price for a service then people who can provide that service will say it will cost xyz.

    As the guy is on a limited budget I gave him an idea of options that give good results for a reasonable price.

    which I believe is what he asked for.

    As I live in a house which I own outright (no mortgage) I ain't desperate for anything.

    As for the way the economy I would imagine a lot of people will be fighting for every order and every penny-that does not mean they are being dishonest or giving bad advice.

    If you read the posts back I offered an opinion and was belittled and told that any site built for less than £25k would be cack-which is complete nonsense.

    So who is self promoting I wonder.

    I do believe some of your comments are unfounded.
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    Mike, I wasn't targeting you as you gave advice rather than posting once with a load of sales crap. I found some of your posts informative and you obviously walk the walk, and not just talk the talk.

    I just can't stand people who don't offer the OP any advice but just spam their website / service.
     
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    Mike tells it like it is

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    You want all bells and whistles you can have them. Although I tend to advise what will actually help gain business and what wont.

    It's lie ethe 28 bakeries i mentioned in my PM before I'll do the analysis in excel etc and make reccomendations but they will do as they please.

    I'm glad you did loads of research and analysis that's what marketing is really a bout the design and the message is just the final part.

    As any business or marketing student will know form lesson1.1

    product, Price, promotion, place


    or if you believe in the 7ps you can add another three one of which is people and one of which is processes

    as someone else said (although they were probably being sarcastic Im sure) I know my **** form both academia and the real world working in both big and small uk european and far east. :cool:
     
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    Mike tells it like it is

  • #52
    @favangel
    "I just can't stand people who don't offer the OP any advice but just spam their website / service."

    I can empathise with that but sadly that's the internet for you... For every good guy there are ten that are not
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    I just have to get into this thread as the argument of how much money should/would spend on a site just does not add up. To the op, One of the most important things to remember when having the site built is that pure and simple it is YOUR site. Most carts in this day and age are capable of doing the same things. Hosted or self hosted makes no major difference, each has good points and bad points about it. If you know what you want and are able to provide a proper brief it will not really matter who builds the site for you. Just make sure you reach an amicable arrangement over payment stages to get the look you actually want and not what someone else tells you that you need.

    Some people will charge more than other's for various reasons such as overheads and how much profit they desire to make. In effect you could have a company with 3 employees charging £200 or a company with 20 employees charging £2000 for the exact same appearance and functions as each other. Which site is the better of the 2?

    You should provide a brief that can be worked to and find out about previous work, support and timescale.
     
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    Well this thread has gone crazy..

    Anyone looking for web-design ect. Should do research, and know what they want..

    People on a business forum will always offer there services, its always going to happen so i wouldn't get that worked up about it..

    There are 100's of different solutions, and everyone will tell you a different way is best, your betting looking in to them yourself and seeing what you prefer.

    Personally speaking i would prefer to have a cart hosted on my own server then using something like tigercommerce but thats my own view.

    Heres some advice for people anyway and things to look for..
    Best open source carts (again my view)
    -Magento
    -Prestashop
    -cs cart

    Other carts which people like again opensource - ZenCart, OpenCart there are hundreds,

    Monthly options then people like DWOP - RentAWebsite is a good option due to the fact they use OpenCart so its very customisable plus you are still getting the factor of using a cart..

    There is also
    TigerCommerce
    BigCommerce
    Volusion

    There is a long list of providers of such types of systems.
     
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  • #66
    Mike tells it like it is said:
    "You have the money so don't let a developer tell you what they can do, you tell them what you want the site to do."

    Well said.
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    Not always the case, sometimes best to listen to advice of an expert! You would not believe how many people want stupid things doing which will never work or even damage their site because "they know best"!
     
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    Smarter Webdesign said:
    Not always the case, sometimes best to listen to advice of an expert! You would not believe how many people want stupid things doing which will never work or even damage their site because "they know best"!
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    I've turned a job down before because the client wanted some ridiculously awful design (exactly like their old site) with a few additional ridiculous ideas on top.

    Some things you just wouldn't want to put your name to!

    I don't go with the 'you get what you pay for' mentality, when you buy a service orientated product it's only as good as the people behind it, if those people are primarily employed sales people you may be left disappointed.

    Then again I am biased because I work from a home office, not my bedroom though, that's a pretty cheap insult to be honest but I do know what you mean, there are plenty of installed Wordpress once then decided they were web designers/developers. When I do a job the person is only paying for my time, no office rent, business rates, sales staff. When I look at the agencies around here and the salaries on offer it would be safe to assume that I am likely far more qualified than the person who would be developing your site with them although they charge double my rate.
     
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    FreelanceSoftwareDeveloper said:
    I've turned a job down before because the client wanted some ridiculously awful design (exactly like their old site) with a few additional ridiculous ideas on top.

    Some things you just wouldn't want to put your name to!

    I don't go with the 'you get what you pay for' mentality, when you buy a service orientated product it's only as good as the people behind it, if those people are primarily employed sales people you may be left disappointed.

    Then again I am biased because I work from a home office, not my bedroom though, that's a pretty cheap insult to be honest but I do know what you mean, there are plenty of installed Wordpress once then decided they were web designers/developers. When I do a job the person is only paying for my time, no office rent, business rates, sales staff. When I look at the agencies around here and the salaries on offer it would be safe to assume that I am likely far more qualified than the person who would be developing your site with them although they charge double my rate.
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    Excellent reply that man.

    The perception that 'working from home' means that you are a hobbyist rather than a professional is a widely used concept that makes my blood boil.

    You can gain the qualifications you need, gather all the relative experience you require over time and if the service can be run from your home then great, do it...the real benefit will be of that to the client and that is in the end price due to the overheads you have been smart enough to avoid.

    Yes, there are people who dabble and say we can do this for £xxx but that does not mean ALL home web designers are the same....just like there are 100's of cowboy builders around, doesn't mean they all are.

    As for the OP's question, I would be tempted to answer thus

    1 Depends what you want doing
    2 Depends on who you choose to use (read above)

    But in all cases, research your options before you sign, check their portfolio (and make sure they have done the site), checkout their terms, hammer out an agreement that ou are happy with AND they are happy to work to, make sure you own your domain name...et al

    HTH

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    Daren
     
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  • #69
    FreelanceSoftwareDeveloper said:
    I've turned a job down before because the client wanted some ridiculously awful design (exactly like their old site) with a few additional ridiculous ideas on top.

    Some things you just wouldn't want to put your name to!

    I don't go with the 'you get what you pay for' mentality, when you buy a service orientated product it's only as good as the people behind it, if those people are primarily employed sales people you may be left disappointed.

    Then again I am biased because I work from a home office, not my bedroom though, that's a pretty cheap insult to be honest but I do know what you mean, there are plenty of installed Wordpress once then decided they were web designers/developers. When I do a job the person is only paying for my time, no office rent, business rates, sales staff. When I look at the agencies around here and the salaries on offer it would be safe to assume that I am likely far more qualified than the person who would be developing your site with them although they charge double my rate.
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    Do the job - take the money, but put your competitors name on it ;)
     
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    FreelanceSoftwareDeveloper said:
    I've turned a job down before because the client wanted some ridiculously awful design (exactly like their old site) with a few additional ridiculous ideas on top.

    Some things you just wouldn't want to put your name to!

    I don't go with the 'you get what you pay for' mentality, when you buy a service orientated product it's only as good as the people behind it, if those people are primarily employed sales people you may be left disappointed.

    Then again I am biased because I work from a home office, not my bedroom though, that's a pretty cheap insult to be honest but I do know what you mean, there are plenty of installed Wordpress once then decided they were web designers/developers. When I do a job the person is only paying for my time, no office rent, business rates, sales staff. When I look at the agencies around here and the salaries on offer it would be safe to assume that I am likely far more qualified than the person who would be developing your site with them although they charge double my rate.
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    You don't have to put everything in your portfolio. That's why I don't keep one anymore or work in that way. I take the brief draft a homepage and get them happy with that then they pay a deposit...
     
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    Mike tells it like it is said:
    You don't have to put everything in your portfolio. That's why I don't keep one anymore or work in that way. I take the brief draft a homepage and get them happy with that then they pay a deposit...
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    I have morals, i'm not a marketer ;)

    I would rather work on projects with potential where there is a genuine benefit to the client. It was becoming clear that he would be a nightmare to work with, and knowing his site would never work as he dreamt would only add to the hassle.
     
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