Logo / Graphic Designer needed - basic job

[LittleWoodWorkshop]

Little Wood Workshop Ltd requires a logo / graphic designer to design a logo. It needs to represent:

• The simplicity of the business model
• The woodworking factor
• The ability of the business to personalise products

This is the current logo:

(Edit: littlewoodworkshop co uk / masterlogo.jpg - I haven't reached 15 posts)

I'm sure you will agree the only thing that this logo represents is the lack of design skill the designer owns - me.

All work must be original, e.g. no clip art.

Preference will be given to the person who PM's samples that are available for purchase (include price in message).

The image will need to be high quality and re-sizable to an image size of 268 x 50 with ease.

Any samples received will receive feedback. In anticipation of a large response chances of success are greater with the higher quantity received.

Please note that the successful supplier is likely to receive further work due to development of catalogue, marketing products and stationary.

Kind Regards,

Dave

 

[Poppy Design]

So you want a graphic designer(s) to do it free :| and submit for your approval in the hope you might choose it and pay for it?!!

Sorry but everyone (including the graphic designer) needs to earn a living - find a good portfolio and good client references and just engage a designer professionally.... of course if they are a start up and want to build up a portfolio then they may be happy to do initially for free.

 

[LittleWoodWorkshop]

Hi Poppy,

Sorry the way I wish to work doesn't appeal to you. However, there's the obvious risk that I engage with a designer and what they make doesn't appeal to me.
I'm very much a 'buy what I see I like' kind of person.
However, if you have a portfolio I could look through I'd be happy to take a peek.

Dave

 

[Poppy Design]

There is a risk every time you engage a new supplier... but for logo/graphic design you should view their portfolio, which should give you a good idea if you really like what they have done - you cannot expect designers to do the actual work before been contracted - that is what portfolios are for.

You could try students who will be keen to build a portfolio and may well do for free or small charge.. but not me! thanks to all the taxes the government make me pay!

 

[FirstClassVirtualOffice]

It might help to read this thread here (watch the video in the first post) and you'll see what Poppy D means.

 

[FIZIX Agency]

What you are suggesting is speculative work which doesn't fly in this industry and will not net you a designer who is worth his/her salt, in fact is more likely to net you with someone less than desirable. The video FirstClassVirtualOffice linked to is correct and I'll follow on from that video a bit.


There are a whole bunch of problems which will cause decent designers to walk the other way; such as:

1. Decent designs come from close relationships, discussions and thought processes; you don't get that from spec work because the designer knows that they are competing so will not invest the same type of effort into a speculative job as they will into a paying job. It's just not worth it (especially with the risks that come with it).

2. The designer knows full well that they will be competing with other designers so the risk of not being paid is high. Also in a normal scenario you will discuss, draft, get feedback, refine, try out ideas, produce different concepts; until you find a suitable design. That doesn't happen with speculative work.

3. The designer is handing you a completed digital asset (in this case, the logo); they are handing you their idea, their skill, their creativity, their time. As we all know, digital assets can just be copied; so once handed to the prospective client, the designer has lost all control.

The client can just walk with that design. They can if they want to cover themselves hire a cheap designer to recreate and modify it on the cheap (copying something is easy even for a poorly skilled designer).

This happens a lot (a heck of a lot).


The other problem, for you, is that speculative work attracts a certain type of designer who will just rip stuff off the net and throw it to as many spec prospects as possible. Copying stuff is easy, anybody who is even half capable with Photoshop or Illustrator can copy an idea.

Take a look at some of the competitions on forums that hold them where "clients" create competitions and see the amount of templates and ripped off stock artwork that get thrown up as original ideas.

However, there's the obvious risk that I engage with a designer and what they make doesn't appeal to me.

Well you tend to select a designer by looking at their portfolio to see if they are capable, to see if they have worked on styles that appeal to you.

It's not essential that a designer has already created a design that's similar to what you want though - design doesn't quite work like that; a good designer will be able to work to many types of style.

The other factor is the discussion; that they clearly understand you, your business, your needs, your audience, what you are asking for and in those initial discussions they are presenting good initial thoughts and ideas. (Thats actually the indicator that will lead to the most success)

I'm very much a 'buy what I see I like' kind of person.

You are commissioning a designers creative services, not buying a TV. So you are "buying what you like" in the context of the designers portfolio and the designer themselves.

 

[Poppy Design]

What you are suggesting is speculative work which doesn't fly in this industry and will not net you a designer who is worth his/her salt, in fact is more likely to net you with someone less than desirable. The video FirstClassVirtualOffice linked to is correct and I'll follow on from that video a bit.


There are a whole bunch of problems which will cause decent designers to walk the other way; such as:

1. Decent designs come from close relationships, discussions and thought processes; you don't get that from spec work because the designer knows that they are competing so will not invest the same type of effort into a speculative job as they will into a paying job. It's just not worth it (especially with the risks that come with it).

2. The designer knows full well that they will be competing with other designers so the risk of not being paid is high. Also in a normal scenario you will discuss, draft, get feedback, refine, try out ideas, produce different concepts; until you find a suitable design. That doesn't happen with speculative work.

3. The designer is handing you a completed digital asset (in this case, the logo); they are handing you their idea, their skill, their creativity, their time. As we all know, digital assets can just be copied; so once handed to the prospective client, the designer has lost all control.

The client can just walk with that design. They can if they want to cover themselves hire a cheap designer to recreate and modify it on the cheap (copying something is easy even for a poorly skilled designer).

This happens a lot (a heck of a lot).


The other problem, for you, is that speculative work attracts a certain type of designer who will just rip stuff off the net and throw it to as many spec prospects as possible. Copying stuff is easy, anybody who is even half capable with Photoshop or Illustrator can copy an idea.

Take a look at some of the competitions on forums that hold them where "clients" create competitions and see the amount of templates and ripped off stock artwork that get thrown up as original ideas.




Well you tend to select a designer by looking at their portfolio to see if they are capable, to see if they have worked on styles that appeal to you.

It's not essential that a designer has already created a design that's similar to what you want though - design doesn't quite work like that; a good designer will be able to work to many types of style.

The other factor is the discussion; that they clearly understand you, your business, your needs, your audience, what you are asking for and in those initial discussions they are presenting good initial thoughts and ideas. (Thats actually the indicator that will lead to the most success)



You are commissioning a designers creative services, not buying a TV. So you are "buying what you like" in the context of the designers portfolio and the designer themselves.

..oh well said!

 

[LittleWoodWorkshop]

Many thanks for the people who have offered their services, however my needs have now been met and this tender is closed.