Liz Truss PM - Gone Within a Year?

[UKSBD]

Lis Truss replaces Thérèse Coffey with Rishi Sunak as Deputy Prime Minister, goes on sick leave, leaving Sunak and Hunt in charge

 

[Newchodge]

Lis Truss replaces Thérèse Coffey with Rishi Sunak as Deputy Prime Minister, goes on sick leave, leaving Sunak and Hunt in charge

I don't think the Tory party would accept that.

 

[Jasondb]

Better for what, or whom?

According to the polls (and I accept they are not always entirely accurate) a GE now would result in the annihilation of the Tory party, an outcome most would accept as justified.

I think every group not in power makes noises for an election whereas the others don't yet when it comes to vote the lingering doubts about Brexit being opened up and it will, Starmer is an outlier in his own party. Then how Labour will raise more taxes and I dread to think about they would have handled COV-ID, I take supplements and got rid of the symptoms in 24 hours, had to change them with the Delta virus and took 48 hours. Talking to friends that did take the first or 2nd vaccine and now say they will never take another in their life.

The Tories would lose seats for sure, yet tribal loyalties remain and so do protest votes. The markets would move against an election due to uncertainty.

Now thinking Sunak might be ushered in as the runner up to Truss to avoid another time delay before the next election.

 

[UKSBD]

I don't think the Tory party would accept that.

Imagine if it was replace Thérèse Coffey with Boris

 

[Justin Smith]

Better for what, or whom?

According to the polls (and I accept they are not always entirely accurate) a GE now would result in the annihilation of the Tory party, an outcome most would accept as justified.

I had never voted Tory before last year. But after Labour consistently wanted more suppression of society and for longer (remember Kier Starmer in July 2021 ? : "lifting all restrictions is irresponsible") I would not want a Labour government under any circumstances. I would be concerned they would reintroduce Covid restrictions (or for flu and anything) with far less concern about society, the economy and our freedoms.

 

[Newchodge]

I had never voted Tory before last year. But after Labour consistently wanted more suppression of society and for longer (remember Kier Starmer in July 2021 ? : "lifting all restrictions is irresponsible") I would not want a Labour government under any circumstances. I would be concerned they would reintroduce Covid restrictions (or for flu and anything) with far less concern about society, the economy and our freedoms.

You do realise, don't you, that Labour was not in power and that it was the conservative government that imposed lockdowns and decided their duration?

 

[WaveJumper]

Ive always thought she would be gone by Christmas but now she no authority at all just a puppet whilst those behind the scenes work out who the replacement is going to be. And when she goes a nice little package of 115k a year for life which should in my opinion be paid after all the pain and suffering her little stint in power has caused many across the country.

 

[Bob Morgan]

Can we have the budgies, Charlie?

 

[Justin Smith]

Back in 2012 my wife famously stated every PM we have had has been worse than the one before.
But even she, and I, did not think we could get worse than Boris Johnson.
We were both wrong.

My wife really was right !
But is it actually possible for the next PM to be any worse ?

 

[webjaved]

I don't think the Tory party would accept that.

Which one?

The Rishi Sunak one? ?

This party is finished, in more ways than one. PMQs will be interesting, no hiding place for Thick Lizzy.

 

[The Byre]

This party is finished, in more ways than one.

This!

One of the few advantages of being an old git, is that one has seen it all before. One sees when things are so broken that fixing them is pointless. One sees when a political party has so lost its way that it is destined to lose the next election regardless of what steps they take to repair the damage.

Brexit has torn the Tory party asunder. It is a house divided and it lost its way when Cameron unleashed the Brexit debate. It is today more divided than it ever was.

There are turning points in history that, when taken at the time, hardly seem to be all that important - Blair sucking up to Bush and entering the Iraq war was just such a turning point. It meant that he had to hand over the baton to Brown and he managed to mess up the economy (though nothing like what is going on right now!)

Labour lost the election when it picked the wrong Milliband. The Conservatives lost the coming election with the picking of Johnson as leader.

The Tories have never managed to find a way of picking good leaders - they seem to get the good ones by accident - they lost to Wilson by picking Home. The same can be said of the Labour party - they too managed to pick a completely unelectable looney with Corbin. (I am sure that he is a perfectly nice chap and the sort one could have a long interesting debate with over a glass or two - but he was never PM material.)

There is nothing on the Tory front bench or waiting in the wings that even smells slightly of being PM material. The party has completely blown the idea of economic competence out of the water. Truss, Johnson and Cameron collectively have staggered from one stupid and misguided economic theory to the next, grasping at idiotic straws that turned out to be long-since disproven fallacies that first-year economy students learn in their first semester.

The austerity anomaly was followed by a chaotic stab at MMT and that was followed by the absurdity of trickle-down economics. I won't go (yet again!) into what is wrong with these ideas - there are websites enough that deal with these things!

But for a party that prides itself on economic competence to allow itself to be captured by what to outsiders see as a bunch of silly schoolchildren playing with ideas that they just do not really understand is quite bizarre!

Hunt seems to be doing all the right things and is now getting his economic advice from real economists who actually understand the macro money markets - but the next election is already lost. He may save the UK economy, but that electoral horse has left the stable.

Other horses are also leaving the stable, Northern Ireland and Scotland in particular. The strange display of complete and utter incompetence and cohesion by Westminster is ensuring that those horses are about to gallop off into the distance.

The British Isles will become,e a completely different place - and hopefully a better place.

 

[Justin Smith]

You do realise, don't you, that Labour was not in power and that it was the conservative government that imposed lockdowns and decided their duration?

Labour not only supported them they were encouraging them to go further for longer.
Apart from the most obvious (Starmer telling everyone who would listen we should keep Covid restrictions in July 2021), when all those Northern mayors were threatening legal action over lockdowns in late 2020 it wasn't because they objected to their cities businesses being told to shut, it was purely because they wanted even more compensation i.e. even more money borrowed and spent unproductively. Now they have the cheek to accuse the government of trashing the economy ! If they'd had their way it'd have been even worse than it is now (which is pretty bad).

 

[Justin Smith]

The British Isles will become,e a completely different place - and hopefully a better place.

No chance of that. TBH I don't like modern life, I would far rather have been bringing up my lad in the 1970s. These days there's too much technology and, even worse, too many regulations and restrictions on all of our lives "to keep us safe".
Latest thing to really **** me off. As a swimmer myself (apart from when stopped from doing it for 7 months during the lockdowns, thanks for that.....) I have been trying to get my lad into swimming since he was about 2, he's now 9. He has finally got into it, joined a club and swam in his first gala on Saturday. What's more I was pretty confident he'd win (which he did), so imagine how upset I was when told I could not video his triumph. That would never have happened in the 70s.....

 

[Justin Smith]

I don't like modern life, I would far rather have been bringing up my lad in the 1970s. These days there's too much technology

Right on cue....
I am trying to pay my PAYE with a card and to do so my bank is insisting on sending me a one time passcode. The latter is not coming through, and that's twice so far I have entered all my data, what a bleedin' waste of time
But this is to pay the effin' HMRC anyway !
Who the hell is going to fraudulently pay the soddin' HMRC !

 

[IanSuth]

No chance of that. TBH I don't like modern life, I would far rather have been bringing up my lad in the 1970s. These days there's too much technology and, even worse, too many regulations and restrictions on all of our lives "to keep us safe".
Latest thing to really **** me off. As a swimmer myself (apart from when stopped from doing it for 7 months during the lockdowns, thanks for that.....) I have been trying to get my lad into swimming since he was about 2, he's now 9. He has finally got into it, joined a club and swam in his first gala on Saturday. What's more I was pretty confident he'd win (which he did), so imagine how upset I was when told I could not video his triumph. That would never have happened in the 70s.....

We have had to stop sharing team sheets for a teenage girls rugby team but that is because an estranged father who is an alcoholic keeps trying to stalk his daughter to talk to her when there is a protective order prohibiting it. He has appeared at 2 away game so far and caused hassle (banned from the grounds of our club)

Sadly there are people who will look for footage of children swimming for non innocent reasons - how do you police that kind of thing without stopping people like you recording their own child's accomplishments

In the 70's it was easier as we did not have the internet - we also didnt all have portable video recorders in our phones - the restrictions come with the increased opportunity

 

[The Byre]

 

[fisicx]

Who the hell is going to fraudulently pay the soddin' HMRC !

There are idiots who think using a stolen card will work.

As an aside, my banking app has a pay HMRC option. Makes things a lot simpler.

 

[MBE2017]

In the 70's it was easier as we did not have the internet - we also didnt all have portable video recorders in our phones - the restrictions come with the increased opportunity

In the 70’s the local plod would have beaten , sorry, helped these people get up after falling over several times, it normally worked.

The opportunities have always been there in the past, which is why a certain type of person used to enter the clergy or become a scout master. With the internet and more freely available information the public have simply become more aware.

 

[Justin Smith]

There are idiots who think using a stolen card will work.
As an aside, my banking app has a pay HMRC option. Makes things a lot simpler.

But if they pay the HMRC they know who it is and can trace them ! And the payment would just bounce, eventually.
Anyone who did that would really be two sandwiches short of a picnic..... In fact their picnic wouldn't have any sandwiches, or cake, or in fact anything at all !

 

[Justin Smith]

We have had to stop sharing team sheets for a teenage girls rugby team but that is because an estranged father who is an alcoholic keeps trying to stalk his daughter to talk to her when there is a protective order prohibiting it. He has appeared at 2 away game so far and caused hassle (banned from the grounds of our club)

Sadly there are people who will look for footage of children swimming for non innocent reasons - how do you police that kind of thing without stopping people like you recording their own child's accomplishments

In the 70's it was easier as we did not have the internet - we also didnt all have portable video recorders in our phones - the restrictions come with the increased opportunity

Sadly I do not think it's got much to do with increasing use of technology, it's because society, particularly in the richer countries, are becoming more and more risk averse and more and more willing to accept restrictions to their liberty "to keep them safe". What happened during Covid was that in a nutshell.

BTW, I was discussing this with a neighbour.
1 - We cannot understand why a Paedo would want to video a kids swimming race anyway, what exactly would he get out of it ? I am attracted mature women but would not get sexually aroused by watching them in a swim race !
2 - Even if a Paedo did film a kids swimming event, how exactly does that put the kids in danger ?
3 - Anyone who was that desperate to video it still could, they'd just use devious methods. It's the poor innocent parents who suffer from this disproportionate nonsense.

 

[Jeff FV]

As I see it, there are 3 possible options:

1. A general election in, say 6 months
2. The Conservative Party replace Liz Truss as leader
3. Liz Truss remains as Conservative Part leader until the next “mandated” general election (late 2024, early 2025)

I don’t think 1 will happen. Far too much of a risk for the conservatives, who could face being wiped out. The only way this (a GE in the near future) will happen is if enough (say 40 ish?) Tory MPs realise things are bad, and aren’t going to get any better and make a personal calculation that their best interests are served by appealing to their local constituents, disagreeing with much of the idiocy of the gov., and hope that their standing as a “good local MP” will carry them, personally, safely through an election that decimates the rest of the party.

Personally, I think a GE now (ish) would be the best thing for the country, but I think it highly unlikely it will happen.

2. Most likely outcome, I think, but not a certainty (see my point 3 below) She (currently) has no authority as leader, is seen as a liability by the public. She needs, desperately needs, a good PMQs tomorrow to reassert any credibility; I don’t think it will go well for her. She might be saved only if the party is worried about more infighting - I suspect the replacement team are currently trying to get their ducks in a row, but if the party can’t agree on some sort of coronation it could be worse for them than things currently are.

3. I thought she was going to resign yesterday evening. She didn’t. It got me thinking. She is (now) a puppet for the extreme libertarian wing of the party. Having worked so hard to get to this point - Brexit, one of their own as PM, they are not going to relinquish that position lightly. To them, Their highly damaging experiment must continue. It’s not just about the PM, its the colleagues and advisors they now have in power that will make them do all they can to keep her in post. If she stays, it will be highly damaging for the Party, and even more so for the country.

One final point, this is not the Conservative Party “I know”. It’s essentially UKIP

 

[HFE Signs]

Going back to the original question - probably gone within a month!

 

[Justin Smith]

In the 70’s the local plod would have beaten , sorry, helped these people get up after falling over several times, it normally worked.

The opportunities have always been there in the past, which is why a certain type of person used to enter the clergy or become a scout master. With the internet and more freely available information the public have simply become more aware.

You are right, people hear about it more, so they think it's more common these days, when in actual fact AFAIK it's actually less common than it was.

 

[webjaved]

I don't think things would be any better under Starmer. So whatever happens, we will just continue to suffer.

 

[HFE Signs]

I don't think things would be any better under Starmer. So whatever happens, we will just continue to suffer.

Much worse with that dimwit

 

[webjaved]

Much worse with that dimwit

Doom and gloom on both sides of the house of commons.

 

[HFE Signs]

Doom and gloom on both sides of the house of commons.

Sadly these people don't spend much time in the real world, hence being so out of touch

 

[MBE2017]

The big problem, whoever is in power, is simply no one wants to truly tackle the major problems.

When I was growing up you saved for something, being in debt was frowned upon on the whole, the country made things to sell and we had small GDP gains and the occasional recession.

Once the credit card idea was imported, car loans of over three years allowed, mortgage multiples of 3x your salary forgotten, and two adults having to earn to clothe, feed and house your kids, everything has gradually got economically worse.

Of course, all political parties have promised to get spending under control, but in reality they have either devalued the £ or printed money out of thin air, kicked the can down the road to let the next bunch of idiots promise to sort things out etc etc.

Today everyone expects to have the latest phones, sky tv, foreign holidays, new cars on the driveway, big houses etc and have grown accustomed to record low interest rates. The moment they go up slightly they realise they are now in huge problems.

The deficit has grown so large now no one wants to even get the top job, inevitably the World, because this is not just a UK problem will suffer a depression. I don’t know if it will be this time or not, but it won’t be too long.

The only time I can remember a PM actually tackling ANY of the spending cuts really required was Thatcher, and she only managed a couple of years before the country couldn’t stand the pain and preferred the smoke and mirror deceit peddled by every politician since.

It’s going to get interesting with new interest rate hikes due any moment.

 

[IanSuth]

The biggest issue is that many politicians (who are career politicians) are just looking at the next election, they don't really care what happens between them as long as there are some feel good, nice sound bite things happening as the next election rolls around. I truly believe that for a lot their political party is just a case of which set of marketing slogans they will use and colour tie they should wear rather than a set of convictions and a deep seated personal beliefs.

We need people who think longer term

 

[simon field]

What an utter mess! I don’t know what people expected from being paid to sit on their ar$es for two years whilst having cash spaffed all over the place.

I mean, we were already in the doodoos before that nonsense!

 

[Karimbo]

Liz Truss reminds me of Jen Barber, someone completely out of her depth but nobody wants her job so she's stuck in office.

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If Jen Barber could do a parody of Liz Truss that would be amazon

 

[Newchodge]

Much worse with that dimwit

Can they REALLY be any worse than this week?

 

[WaveJumper]

How about ....... those with the real power behind the scenes in No10 right now are pushing through all the "bad stuff" now letting Truss be the fall Guy (or should I say lady) they will reach a tipping point maybe in the next few days or weeks and low and behold a new PM will be announced and this knight in shinning armour will be portrayed as putting things right arriving with a raft of good news and hoping all the voters will fall for it

Just a thought but of course could fall flat on her face today on PMQs and be out by the weekend.

 

[IanSuth]

How about ....... those with the real power behind the scenes in No10 right now are pushing through all the "bad stuff" now letting Truss be the fall Guy (or should I say lady) they will reach a tipping point maybe in the next few days or weeks and low and behold a new PM will be announced and this knight in shinning armour will be portrayed as putting things right arriving with a raft of good news and hoping all the voters will fall for it

Just a thought but of course could fall flat on her face today on PMQs and be out by the weekend.

I reckon that is about right - nobody will want the poison chalice, so unless they are

a: Nearing the end of their political career anyway and just want a last payday (with the pension that goes with it)

or

b: In possession of the belief they have a cunning plan more cunning than anything Baldrick has ever come up with that they truly believe will reshape the economy for the better in less than 18 mths and are willing to stick their head above the parapet and prove it.

or

C: reckon on a war bounce after doing something mad with Putin

Then the next leader of the conservatives will oversea a disastrous GE for the conservatives and a time as leader of the opposition - for this reason they decide to just leave Truss there to flounder whilst they plot and plan. They could even call an early GE just to make Stamer the fall guy for the recession coming

 

[MOIC]

I can't see how any intelligent person in the Labour Party will want to be in Government now . . . .or for the next 5 years.

Their only bright light will be the ousting & demise of the Conservative party (self inflicted & deserved), other than that they'll run the country deeper in the mire.

We need the Romans in.

 

[Financial-Modeller]

I can't see how any intelligent person in the Labour Party will want to be in Government now . . . .or for the next 5 years....

I'm not sure that's ever been a prerequisite for an ambitious politician from any party!

 

[Karimbo]

I'm not sure that's ever been a prerequisite for an ambitious politician from any party!

I agree if they wanted to they would be doing a vote of no confidence and calling for a general election.

Although I think liz may have a 1 year grace period for motions of no confidence.

 

[Karimbo]

I can't see how any intelligent person in the Labour Party will want to be in Government now . . . .or for the next 5 years.

Their only bright light will be the ousting & demise of the Conservative party (self inflicted & deserved), other than that they'll run the country deeper in the mire.

We need the Romans in.

We get the government we deserve.

Remember the vaccum after Cameron left? We had nobody stepping up to take the top job and we have had loonies ever since.

The electorate voted for brexit and the same type of people in the Conservative party membership voted for liz truss.

I hear too much politician bashing and not enough electorate bashing.

 

[MOIC]

I hear too much politician bashing

Too much?

and not enough electorate bashing.

Isn't that democracy?

 

[Alyson Dyer]

Boris must be peeing himself in amusement, bet he doesn’t have a dry pair of pants to his name!