Income/Outgoing Spreadsheet

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Please, does anyone here use a spreadsheet to record their incomings and outgoings ready for the end of the year that they use with success and would like to share rather than me having to make one from scratch (with the errors of a newbie no doubt).

A very simple one should be fine as this is a brand new business just starting up.

Thanks.

If not I will have to make one and hope not to make any glaring commission's from the design. :|
 
I really would recommend against using a spreadsheet. More often than not they contain errors which makes preparing annual accounts more difficult (and costly).

There are plenty of cheap, or even free, bookkeeping packages out there. Have a look at:

VT Cashbook
Kashflow
Accounts Portal
Xero
Tas

I'm sure others will post recommendations.
 
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I really would recommend against using a spreadsheet. More often than not they contain errors which makes preparing annual accounts more difficult (and costly).

There are plenty of cheap, or even free, bookkeeping packages out there. Have a look at:

VT Cashbook
Kashflow
Accounts Portal
Xero
Tas

I'm sure others will post recommendations.

I agree entirely for something really simple (and free) I think VT cashbook is hard to beat, but for just a few pounds you can get a good package which will do so much more.
 
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A very simple one should be fine ...

And therein lies the problem. If your business grows you risk having to change just at the point when you can least afford the time to do so.

I think with bookkeeping you should start as you mean to carry on, so choose a software package that is affordable now, and scalable as you grow. The other advantages of using bookkeeping software are:

  • You eliminate the risk of errors
  • VAT, if you ever need to deal with it, will be easy
  • Your accountancy fees will be lower
  • You can get proper and full financial reports any time.
 
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All the above points seem very valid indeed.

So even starting out from day one with self-assessment you recommend investing some time to learn an accounting package so I am able to use it when the order books are more full in the future and I may need to use an accountant?

If that is the case can anyone tell me what their personal preference is for free accounting packages and which ones to avoid - from their point of view.

At least that way I can get to grips with the basics of using a package before moving on to an accounting package in the future I will pay for as the business grows.
 
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There is nothing wrong with a spreadsheet but they can be prone to errors. Simple software could be the answer. There are many option both PC and web based. Everyone has their favorites, I am sure you will get a few recommendations from forum members. Try a few, most offer a free trial, to find the system that best suits your needs.

Thanks
 
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All the above points seem very valid indeed.

So even starting out from day one with self-assessment you recommend investing some time to learn an accounting package so I am able to use it when the order books are more full in the future and I may need to use an accountant?

If that is the case can anyone tell me what their personal preference is for free accounting packages and which ones to avoid - from their point of view.

At least that way I can get to grips with the basics of using a package before moving on to an accounting package in the future I will pay for as the business grows.


My view as an accountant I think VT cashbook is a super way to start its easy to use, gets you into the habit of keeping good records and isnt too daunting when you start. Some people will stick with it and use it for many years (we have many clients who do) others will want to try full accounting packages and like the features of a 'full' package saving time on invoicing, debt collection, etc.

My personal preference for a full package is Accounts Portal - I think its greta value for money, has super support and works extremly well but it depends on what you want from a package. Their is certainly a huge amount choice. I'd get some free trials if you want to take that option and see which you like.

Whether you use an accountant is up to you, again my professional opinion - a soletrader can muddle through and probably complete a Self Assessment tax return but for a limited company the rules, regulations and requirements need an accountant. Bear in mind bookkeeping (ie keeping an accurate record of in's and out's) isnt the same as dealing with year end accounts and tax returns. A good accountant will save you tax and hassle!:)
 
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Please, does anyone here use a spreadsheet to record their incomings and outgoings ready for the end of the year that they use with success and would like to share rather than me having to make one from scratch (with the errors of a newbie no doubt).

A very simple one should be fine as this is a brand new business just starting up.

Thanks.

If not I will have to make one and hope not to make any glaring commission's from the design. :|

If you really want a spreadsheet we have a professionally produced profit/loss account for excel, which has been certified error free. If you pm me your email address I will send you a free copy without any obligation.
 
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If you really want a spreadsheet we have a professionally produced profit/loss account for excel, which has been certified error free. If you pm me your email address I will send you a free copy without any obligation.

Many thanks PM sent ( I will of course be looking into the other suggestions too).

Thanks guys :O)
 
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Got it, thanks once again, if I can ever be of assistance to you, you know where I am.
 
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If you are just a small concern you can set up a simple spreadsheet easy enough. If you use an accountant, he will probably have one tailor made anyway which he should let you have for free to record your figures.
I don't see why excel should be classed as 'prone to errors' - is somebody selling software? ;) it's only adding up a list of numbers. A simple click on the cell will show you what's happening. If you can cross check and link this to your bank balance you are well on your way to keeping good records and limiting your accountants time and expense.
 
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Considering accountants on here usually recommend the free software such as VT Cash book, I don't think they could be accused of selling software!!

There are very few businesses which are so small and simple that a spreadsheet would be better than proper software. If there are time lags between invoice date and payment date, then that's another column/complication in a spreadsheet. If there are time lags between a cheque being written and it being cleared through the bank statement, that's another column/tick box and complication. For a purely "cash" business with no debtors, creditors or bank items in transit, then, yes indeed a spreadsheet is probably good enough IF done accurately with the right checks and balances.

Quite simply, a lot of people have an uncanny ability to screw up even the most simple spreadsheet. That's why accountants tend to steer people away from them - it's from years of experience of seeing the foul-ups first hand and knowing the business mistakes and wasted time that follow.

Just a few classic examples:-

1. "Hiding" a row or column so that the numbers are still included in the totals but aren't actually visible on the spreadsheet - most people do this thinking that it's deleting the transaction because they're frightened of the "delete" button so think hiding gets rid of it. Doh!
2. Putting in non-numeric values in a cell - so the number doesn't get added in the totals - such as a pound sign or a comma after the thousand, or a space in the number, etc - Spreadsheet looks right, but totals aren't.
3. Entering column or row totals manually because the user can't work out how to do an @sum formula, then, of course, forgetting to change the total when other figures change.
4. Adding a manual figure at the end of a formula to fudge it to balance and hope no-one notices, i.e. "@sum(A1:A20) +23.97"
5. Using colours to identify and analyse and then print it out in black & white or the accountant/tax inspector is colour blind so end user can't see!
6. Similarly, formatting to use red for negative numbers instead of () or - and prints out in b&w or no appreciation of user being colour blind, so negative numbers look like positive numbers.
7. Random use of italics, colours, bolds, different fonts that mean something to the person entering the data, but completely meaningless to any other user.
8. Random use of formulae that mean something to the user but have to be worked out and interpreted by other users.
9. Putting in "checks" but not actually checking the right things, meaning that there are mistakes but user is "happy" because his/her checks balance, and doesn't see the need to re-check etc.
10. Not including any narratives - just a sheet of numbers which no descriptions meaning accountant/tax inspector has to spend more time looking at supporting paperwork to find explanations for unusual transactions.

The only sensible approach for spreadsheet use is for them to be properly designed by a professional, and then heavily protected so that all the user can do is enter data in a prescribed manner in prescribed places, letting the system do all the calculations, checks, etc. Fair enough, but that sounds very much like proper accounting software to me, so why bother wasting time and money designing and protecting a robust spreadsheet when you can get proper software free or at low cost?
 
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