Flyers needed - anyone know a good company
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If you need help with artwork then we can sort the lot, otherwise print only your looking at digital print, so as above Neil at scuba or Peter at minman bristol are your best bets.
Kind regards
Karen
Kind regards
Karen
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For small volumes like that you're better off buying a cheap inkjet & doing it yourself using HP brochure & flyer paper - looks as good as any pro job (& much better than a colour copier), plus you can change it or update it or print more as you need. Would end up cheaper too.
If you don't have the PC skills you could easily outsource the design on peopleperhour or another freelancer forum, probably get it done for a tenner or less, just provide a 'similar' example from anywhere else. Then you just need to print them. Make sure they use a format you can later edit if needed & give you the original as well as a pdf.
If you don't have the PC skills you could easily outsource the design on peopleperhour or another freelancer forum, probably get it done for a tenner or less, just provide a 'similar' example from anywhere else. Then you just need to print them. Make sure they use a format you can later edit if needed & give you the original as well as a pdf.
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Buying a printer for just 250 flyers? How exactly will that save money?
I'd vouch for NeilDigital as well
Ive seen his work and its top notch.
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Well if you compare the cost of 250 A6 flyers from a design & print shop, it may prove to be more expensive than buying a cheap but capable colour printer and some brochure/flyer quality paper and designing & printing them yourself.
Plus you will end up with a printer you can use for future print runs or other marcomms, not just a set of 250 brochures and a dependence on your supplier for reruns.
Simple really, for small runs it makes sense.
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250 x A6 Double sided Flyers
Full colour
160gsm or 350gsm
From your artwork
Delivery to one uk address, via next day courier
£32
Turnaround 24 hours
Full colour
160gsm or 350gsm
From your artwork
Delivery to one uk address, via next day courier
£32
Turnaround 24 hours
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Definitely includes courier of which Neil's deliveries are always with you within 24 hours.
Would assume it is including VAT as well as otherwise he would suggest it to be +VAT.
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Thank Dedwardp..
Does include delivery via next working day courier, signed and tracked.
Vat, A6 flyers mostly are VAT exempt..
Neil
Does include delivery via next working day courier, signed and tracked.
Vat, A6 flyers mostly are VAT exempt..
Neil
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That is a good deal, and few inkjets handle anything over 200 gsm - so may be better than the DIY route.
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Do you know why inkjet printers are so cheap? Because they make their money selling ink cartridges. I'm pretty sure if I printed out what would be 125 pages of full-colour A5 pages at the highest possible resolution, I'd go through quite a lot of cartridges.
They wouldn't look good. They'd probably be a bit damp and get smeary. And then you've got to cut the dang things.
So, no. It doesn't make any sense at all.
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Yes, www.stationery-direct.co.uk offer great quality print and outstanding customer service from my experiences with them as a designer.
Take care not to select on price alone, ensure to compare;
- print quality
- customer service
- like for like (compare same paper weight and so on when doing a print comparison)
- check the extras, they can mount up; vat, delivery costs, proof costs if applicable, and design file checking.
Amanda
Take care not to select on price alone, ensure to compare;
- print quality
- customer service
- like for like (compare same paper weight and so on when doing a print comparison)
- check the extras, they can mount up; vat, delivery costs, proof costs if applicable, and design file checking.
Amanda
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well, more likely 63 pages of A4.
The correct paper would not be damp & smeary, I have personally used HP Brochure & flyer paper many times and people do not believe I printed them myself - the quality is excellent and as good as any pro printer.
Printing 60-odd pages double-sided might use 1 set of cartridges, depends on the design & ink coverage and the size of cartridge.
You would need to cut them, a steel ruler and a cutting knife would do it in 1 minute. Or a guillotine.
OEM Cartridges are expensive, OTOH there are excellent compatibles available at a fraction of that cost, also very cheap ink refilling systems and even direct ink bottle systems that replace cartridges.
The DIY approach gives you direct control and flexibility to print what you need when you need it, to update things easily when required, and it is cost-effective for small print runs.
Countless small businesses use exactly these methods every day, for small print runs.
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Thanks for correcting my math... I was confused about paper sizes.
But, I must say that you must be very good at it. I know that I couldn't manage to pull off professional-looking results. I'd rather pay to have it done correctly.
But, I must say that you must be very good at it. I know that I couldn't manage to pull off professional-looking results. I'd rather pay to have it done correctly.
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I have bookmarked this company for future needs. They seem to be very cheap, never used them.
www.cheapprinthouse.co.uk
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What on earth is the point in that? The amount of ink and glossy paper required to print out 250 flyers would FAR exceed £32. You then have to worry about making sure that they're printed properly, worry about the ink running out and the print fading, and then you have to spend time cutting them as straight as possible by hand.
Even then, they will never look quite as professional as flyers from a proper printer with proper machinery.
So no, it isn't cost-effective at all. In fact, if you're starting up a small business, you would waste your money and potentially waste hours of your time. It's the polar opposite of cost-effective.
Save some money, save some time and just pay the £32.
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None of what you say makes sense;
- cost of HQ brochure paper about £10
- cost of ink (quality compatibles) about £10
- worry about ink running out? why worry - it will run out, sometime, plan for it with some spare (cheap) cartridges
- worry that they are printed properly? that's a great one - it is a printer, its job is to print them properly - thats what it does
- print fading? maybe after 10 years you might notice a slight difference.
- spend time cutting them? yes, 2 minutes with a steel ruler and craft knife, less with a guillotine
- waste time and money? most small businesses starting up have little money and lots of time, not the other way round.
- not look professional? they will be exactly as good print quality if not better
- proper machinery? dont make me laugh - knackered badly maintained machinery is probably the norm in most commercial printing.
I didn't actually join this thread to become the champion of DIY printing because I have no commercial interest in it, but I do feel obliged to react to the rather hysterical posts here from a couple of obviously commercially motivated parties on why no small business should consider doing their own design and print - because obviously they should.
Don't they realise that countless small businesses use inkjets and HQ paper for DIY short runs? Or maybe they think that should be some kind of secret?
Please note that I am not in any way knocking the services of Neil or other commercial printers on here, I am sure they provide a good value service. I am merely pointing out that DIY is a viable alternative for small businesses with many advantages for short runs, flexibility, instant availability, tweakability etc.
This is a forum for small business advice after all.
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Try these guys out: indigo-press.com / StandardFlyers.php
You can get 2500 for £60....
I've used them for various things over the years.. and service is fantastic!
Alternatively... if you can wait for 2 or 3 days... go through their reseller
(bogfrog.co.uk / flyers.php)
The guys name is toby and he's a really great guy!
£48 for 2500 !!!!!!!
You can get 2500 for £60....
I've used them for various things over the years.. and service is fantastic!
Alternatively... if you can wait for 2 or 3 days... go through their reseller
(bogfrog.co.uk / flyers.php)
The guys name is toby and he's a really great guy!
£48 for 2500 !!!!!!!
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Most printers print in 300dpi photo quality. One set of cartridges will be nowhere near enough to print 250 small flyers across a set of full-colour A4 pages.
When will it run out? What if it runs out during the middle of my print run? Should I buy another set of cartridges to play it safe? Oh, that's another £10.
This leads me to believe that you've never actually tried this idea you're spouting. I have (when I was younger) and it was frankly a stupid business decision.
The printing will fade slightly as the 'quality compatible' cartridges start to run out of ink.
You think that cutting all those pages of A4 takes two minutes? Further proof that you have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to get the precision and alignment of a professional printer, you're looking at WELL over an hour. With a craft knife, try a couple of hours.
Load of rubbish. We're in the real world here. A proper small business trying to make a living should have an adequate budget (without feeling the need to go well out of their way to save a couple of pounds) and should be very busy making their idea work. If you have 'lots of time' then you aren't working hard enough.
The only situation I can think of where a 'small business' owner has ample time but wants to resort to hours of work to save £12 is when a teenager tries to make an idea work from their bedroom.
Load of rubbish part 2 (well, probably about part 10 by now).
And, good luck trimming the edges of each flyer so they're all identical and as straight as professionally cut flyers. You couldn't do it without wasting hours of time and tearing your hair out.
I can't take you seriously when you say "knackered badly maintained machinery is probably the norm in most commercial printing". You quite clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Not good when you're spouting advice, is it?
I have no commercial interest in it, either. However, what I do have is something called common sense.
Either do this:
- Go and buy ink
- Buy photo paper
- Install cartridges
- Open files
- Ready files for print
- Print files
- Collect all your sheets of paper
- Spend hours (and you WILL spend hours) individually cutting each page, or putting sections of 3-4 pages in a guillotine at a time. You then have to carefully align each one and cut it carefully so there are no white gaps or fraying
And you save, what, £12 (in your world)?
Meanwhile, I will do this:
- Go online and spend six minutes ordering some professionally printed flyers
Because for every 'small business' which is determined to use its inkjet printer for its flyers, there are countless others who cleverly understand that ordering flyers from a professional printer can not only save money, but can also save valuable time.
In fact, start-ups should be better educated that digital printing is now available, which provides much smaller print-runs (compared to litho printing) with much smaller price tags. Professional printing is now well in reach of anyone who is seriously counting the pennies, and it now actually makes sound economical sense.
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DPI is a bit irrelevant, as it doesn't affect the quantity of ink used just the quality of output. As I said this depends on the ink coverage required and the size of cartridges for your printer. Also 63 pages of A4 for 250 A6 flyers.
Yes, but you will use them so its not wasted money.
As I said I have done this many times in the past with great results and still do where appropriate, and I also use commercial printers where appropriate.
Possibly for the last 1 or 2 prints. Most modern inkjets err on the side of caution for stopping for empty cartridges. Generally speaking, at that point you have to replace the empty cartridges(s) and then continue your print job - you might even have to print a few extras to cater for this. It's not really a big deal or a drama.
2 hours to cut 63 pages of A4 into A6? If you do them 1 at a time that's 2 minutes per sheet, of course common sense is you do 10 or 20 at a time and complete it in 5 minutes.
DPI is a bit irrelevant, as it doesn't affect the quantity of ink used just the quality of output. As I said this depends on the ink coverage required and the size of cartridges for your printer. Also 63 pages of A4 for 250 A6 flyers.
Yes, but you will use them so its not wasted money.
As I said I have done this many times in the past and still do where appropriate, and I also use commercial printers where appropriate.
Possibly for the last 1 or 2 prints. Most modern inkjets err on the side of caution for stopping for empty cartridges. Generally speaking, at that point you have to replace the empty cartridges(s) and then continue your print job - you might even have to print a few extras to cater for this. It's not really a big deal.
Obviously you don't read or watch the news, or you may have noticed that money is really tight in the real world - that is a fact, not a load of rubbish. I would also love to hear more of your interesting ideas on what constitutes a 'proper' small business.
Ah, so I must be a teenager then? Any more personal attacks to come?
I feel this comment is somewhat lacking in structure, target and content - too lame to reply to.
It does require a degree of dexterity that some may find difficult. Only way to know is to try it, grab a sharp cutting knife and a steel ruler and a few sheets of blank A4 and go for it!
Well I think common sense is that most commercial machines have many more miles on the clock than most office/desktop printers.
Think of it as 30-35%, but the convenience and tweakability is also a key factor e.g. I can print customised flyers now for the customer I'm seeing this afternoon.
Yes, I agree that both options have their value, but its not clever to try to dismiss one out of hand.
Yes I agree, and what's more you can do this new-fangled digital printing (good grief!) yourself where appropriate.
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Exactly. You want your flyers to look vibrant, rich and high resolution. Professional printers can give you this with high-quantity orders at very reasonable prices.
The only situation where I can see this as appropriate is when you need a ridiculously low quantity, such as 10 flyers. Other than that, it just isn't cost-effective or time-effective I'm afraid.
Good luck precision-cutting through 10-20 sheets of 120gsm to 350gsm photographic paper with a craft knife or even a guillotine (which is the kind of paper weight pro printers can provide at these prices). I suppose you could cut through 10-20 at a time if you've selected a cheap looking gsm weight which resembles toilet paper.
Sure, money is tight. But is it tight enough where a small business owner should spend hours of their time creating their own flyers to save £5? Not at all. In my opinion, if you cannot afford to spend the extra few quid to have them printed professionally, then you don't have a business (or something is seriously wrong with it). If you don't have that small sum of money, yet you have hours of time to spare, then that's even worse.
OR, spend a few pounds more and let a professional printer give you professional results which represent your business branding. Easy.
You have to realise that you're dishing out advice here, and some people WILL take note of it, so you need to make sure that it's good advice. I'd be infuriated if someone convinced me to waste my time creating and cutting my own flyers, only to realise later on that I could have had the professional job completed for only a few pounds more.
Just look at what you said:
'For small volumes like that you're better off..'. A blanket statement like that can quite easily waste someone's time and effort. I won't even start on the comment about trying to get a professional flyer for £10. You want the flyer to actually WORK and persuade people to buy what you're selling, right? It isn't easy.
In a nutshell, think about what you say if you want to give out advice on here. There are already more than enough people on here chiming in with their random opinions.
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Agreed.
Why is a low quantity ridiculous - it isn't if your customising to individual customers or keeping bang up to date on prices or... Also why 10 - not 15 or 20 or 30 or 50?
Well I never mentioned photographic paper, I mentioned HP Brochure & Flyer paper which is 180gsm and designed for the job - a quick google will confirm this is widely available. It can also be cut - it is paper after all.
Not £5, especially if you have a range of brochures and flyers. Also I'm sure most of us have had to ditch quantities of printed material at some time because it was out of date. Printing what you need when you need it is good for your carbon footprint as well as your wallet.
As I have said a few times now, yes that is often the best option.
Funnily enough I do realise that, and I'm sure that those reading this thread can make their own minds up whether to risk the many long hours required hunched over a cutting knife in their teenage bedrooms in order to do a couple of test prints, whilst they miserly count the few pennies they have scraped together to start their worthless business as you described.
lol I will try to remember to think about what I'm saying. I'm interested that you think there are more than enough people already on here, lol again. Nice.
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Jim Goodall
I printed 400 double sided A6 flyers on 160gsm card on a Kodak ESP7 printer. The card was A4 (with cost me the grand sum of £7.98), so I spent about 30 minutes with the guillotine cutting them up using simple crop marks - no hardship as I had no work on my desk at that time. And no they were not precision A6 when I'd finished, but as they were going through 400 different letterboxes I didn't really see that as an issue.
I have used print services in the past (I have found Scubaprint to provide excellent services) and will probably do so in the future, but when things are tight you do what you have to.
PS. I'm not a teenager - and you can keep your opinions as to whether I am a proper small business or not.
I have used print services in the past (I have found Scubaprint to provide excellent services) and will probably do so in the future, but when things are tight you do what you have to.
PS. I'm not a teenager - and you can keep your opinions as to whether I am a proper small business or not.
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Not being pedantic but you wont get 4 A6 on 1 A4 (if you are printing it yourself).
AND Im so glad I wasted 10 mins reading this thread.
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Well I apologise for the 10 mins, I must admit I didn't expect WW2 for suggesting that DIY printing is also an option for some cases.
And surely you can get 4xA6 on 1xA4, depending on the design & coverage.
But - please don't bother replying, it would all be too pedantic.
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One sheet of A4 is divided perfectly into four sections of A6. There's no additional room. This means that your printer would have to print RIGHT to the very edge of the page with full colour (I have yet to come across a home printer which does that). You also couldn't add a bleed, so unless you managed to cut each page with machine-like precision, each flyer would have bits of the next flyer along on the A4 page running down the edges.
Further proof that you don't know what you're talking about? Perhaps.
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Hi,
Feel free to check out our design prices here!
Flyer design
A6 flyer - Double sided, 300gsm
Pauline
Feel free to check out our design prices here!
Flyer design
A6 flyer - Double sided, 300gsm
Pauline
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Antony Warnes
Whilst this is a great price (and i've bookmarked the website following the recommendations) Oscar Tango's post, which got him a bit of a kicking i might add
is actually quite sound advice. I bought a canon photo printer from asda for £19 and with it could print quite a good few flyers of a higher quality than some of the rubbish that gets put through my door.
Personally i'd always go to a printers but there are people setting up in business with such a small budget that they have to justify every single penny they spend and going the DIY route buying a new printer or ink for one they already have would be a more economical choice than getting their flyers printed. I'm pretty sure you could also print a few hundred flyers and even without any ink in it you'd still get a tenner for the printer.
After all there's lots of businesses like dog walkers, sandwich shops, odd job people etc etc who are putting flyers that are simply photocopied onto coloured paper through doors every day and getting plenty of business from them.
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I have no idea the proportion this represents - but we are contacted by small businesses as described above who are not receiving a satisfactory volume of enquiries and have recognised that the weakness is flyer / leaflet content and presentation.
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