Do you need a passport for a job?

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  1. Faevilangel

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    My mum went for a new role before xmas and was refused as she didn't have a passport, their HR department said they can't take anyone on if they don't have a passport.

    She has a UK driving license and has a national insurance number which I thought was enough to be able to show that she has the right to work in the UK.

    Is the company right or are they just over cautious?
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Faevilangel Member since: Jun 29, 2009
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  2. Anna Chandley

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    There are alternatives to providing a passport. One alternative is to provide a full birth certificate plus an official document issued by previous employer or government department showing the persons name and national insurance number. Full list of acceptable documents can be found here.
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Anna Chandley Member since: Jun 2, 2008
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  3. KM-Tiger

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    According to the UKBA website, you can present a birth certificate together with evidence of an NI number, which could be a document from a previous employer.

    So no, a passport is not necessary.

    I would have thought your mother could bring a case for unlawful discrimination.
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: KM-Tiger Member since: Aug 10, 2003
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  4. monaghan

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    If the job is in the UK and no requirement to go outside the UK on business, I can't see any reason to refuse a non-passport holder.

    Guessing the HR can't be bothered to make other checks.
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: monaghan Member since: Nov 5, 2013
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  5. OldWelshGuy

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    This is how it is now thanks to our wonderful government issuing massive penalties for employing people who shouldn't be employed.

    Welcome to the red tape world :(
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: OldWelshGuy Member since: Jun 12, 2008
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  6. deniser

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    Except that it says
    "The.best.way.to.make.sure.that.you.do.not.discriminate.is.to.treat.all.job.applicants.in.the.
    same way.at.each.stage.of.your.recruitment.process..You.should.ask.all.people.you.are.
    looking.to.employ.to.present.their.documents.before.they.start.working.for.you..You.should.not.
    make.assumptions.about.a.person’s.right.to.work.in.the.UK.on.the.basis.of.their.background,.
    appearance.or.accent"
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: deniser Member since: Jun 3, 2008
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  7. deniser

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    I didn't know anything about this. That's why when I was entering details for a new employee it asked for the passport number.....
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: deniser Member since: Jun 3, 2008
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  8. Lease4Less

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    Yes but a valid UK driving licence, a recent proof of address and a national insurance number is certainly enough proof that they are entitled to work in the UK.
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Lease4Less Member since: Jul 13, 2010
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    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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  10. Lease4Less

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    But a passport wouldn't tell you that their right to work had expired either
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Lease4Less Member since: Jul 13, 2010
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  11. Lease4Less

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    ^^^ Foreign Passport obviously
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Lease4Less Member since: Jul 13, 2010
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  12. Newchodge

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    If they have a foreign passport they also have to produce documentary evidence of their right to work.
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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  13. Lease4Less

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    Ok, but surely a birth certificate (showing that they were born in the UK), along with a Valid UK driving licence, and a NI number is proof enough. You do not need to produce a Passport.
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Lease4Less Member since: Jul 13, 2010
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  14. Newchodge

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    A full UK birth certificate is an alternative to a passport.
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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  15. KM-Tiger

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    Fair point. No tribunal then.

    I'm sure it was not the intention of the legislation to create discrimination against UK citizens without passports, but that is clearly what has happened in this case.

    I think that is wrong.
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: KM-Tiger Member since: Aug 10, 2003
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  16. deniser

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    What's wrong with offering a copy of your birth certificate in lieu of a passport?
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: deniser Member since: Jun 3, 2008
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  17. Newchodge

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    Every job interview I have attended recently has stated that you must bring with you proof of right to work in the UK, and they list what is acceptable, including full UK birth certificate. They also state that if you attend for interview without that proof, that will be the end of the matter - no interview.

    Perhaps that is what happened to the OP's mother, and the interviewer used the word passport as shorthand.
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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  18. Faevilangel

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    They refused to accept the BC as it "can easily be faked" and point blank refused to interview her without a passport.

    This is a large multinational retailer btw
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Faevilangel Member since: Jun 29, 2009
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  19. Newchodge

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    Then I think she has good grounds for a strongly worded letter to the head of HR, perhaps copied to the CEO.
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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  20. Chris Ashdown

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    I would go further and write a letter to both a daily newspaper and also my MP naming the company and what you offered
     
    Posted: Jan 22, 2014 By: Chris Ashdown Member since: Dec 7, 2003
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