Cash Machine fustration

sogifted

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does anyone else on this forum have a cash machine facility in their shop?

as a large(ish) garden centre we decided it would be a good facility to offer, it is placed in the gift shop, which I run

I find it incredible that people expect this to be a free service!!

I get complaint after to complaint that its disgusting to charge 1.99 to take their own money out - I try and explain its not free for us and the charge is set by the company that supplies it not us - it just gets me so mad! we’re not a bank, it’s an extra convenience not a given that we have one in the first place!!

if they moan too much I tell them they can go to the post office in the nearest village (3 miles) for free withdrawals
 

Cobby

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Would it not be more economical to simply accept card payments and do away with the cash machine? Some things, no matter how positive, can be detrimental to your business if it leaves a mark on your reputation in someone's memory.

It's better to disappoint in the short term than anger or annoy for the long term.
 
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I used to have a cash machine in our retail store and we used to offer it for free of charge or a nominal charge of 25p.

The purpose was not to make money from it but instead to drive footfall into the shop, when people used to come in they used to buy other stuff and that helped, you would get your hardened strictly cash only people coming thru but hey thats going to happen so just have to accept that.

What we did find is that people in near vacinity who where charging silly money for people to access their own cash where getting such a bad reputation and loosing customers hand over fist, this is something that REALLY does get to customers and belive me they will remember that they where charged, tell half the world and stop others from going to your shop on the basis of their bad experience!

Reduce it quickly or make it free is my advice, if you cant then get shot of it altogether, you should be offering it as a service / a gesture of goodwill not trying to mint money out of customers.
 
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sogifted

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Would it not be more economical to simply accept card payments and do away with the cash machine? Some things, no matter how positive, can be detrimental to your business if it leaves a mark on your reputation in someone's memory.

It's better to disappoint in the short term than anger or annoy for the long term.

Of course we accept card payments!! The cash machine is mearly a facility, provided as a service
 
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You get a % of the £1.99 though don't you so it's not entirely there for the customer's benefit.

I'd suggest offering cashback through your card processing machine if you're getting complaints about the cash machine. You can always charge for this facility if you want to make some money out of it
 
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I never understood the argument where people say "you shouldn't charge me to withdraw my own money".

It obviously costs someone a lot of money to provide me with the convenience of looking after my money - then transporting it under high-security around the country, so that I can choose any one of thousands of ATMs from which to withdraw it.

If I don't want to be charged for withdrawing my own money, then I should keep it stuffed in my mattress :)

But somehow, years ago, it has got into the British psyche that it should be a free service... so I think you should get rid.... it seems to be giving a negative vibe. (actually, do you get ANY part of the 1.99 fee?)

Or if you're contracted to it... then have a clear sign saying that you're offering this as an optional service, and make it clear that you're making no money from it.

I have to say that despite the above arguments, I still have a slightly negative reaction to shops who have this charge for ATMs. I'm British, and even though my logic says that the charge is fair, it IS in my psyche too !
 
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Offer cash back on your tills, then add a poster on the cashmachine saying you offer cashback for free at the tills. Bonus is the cashback will save you having to bank as much cash.

When ever I've used a machine that charges money, I always try to take out £200 / £300 to make sure I get my moneys worth :)
 
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    The shop near me used to charge people to use the cash machine - it's one of a very few on this estate. Nobody used it, instead still using the cashback from the tills. Once it was made free, LOTS more customers using it.

    As someone said, it's a service people are used to getting for free - banks want our money in their vaults, or better yet, lent to other people, the least they can do is let us have spending money for free! So that's why people get annoyed. I'd never use one that charged me, if a lot of your customers are thinking the same it's just taking up space you could use to sell something they want to pay for.
     
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    QuickHomeBuyers

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    From my understanding people on lower income are more concered about you making the money. They don't care what it costs them, what they don't like is YOU making money out of "cash point monoply". Whether you get a part of £1.99 or nothing out of it, isn't going to change the customers prospective.
     
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    Talay

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    £1.99 to withdraw £10 is what breaks any argument in favour.

    I don't know why you thought people would need it but if it cannot be provided for free, get rid of it.

    I won't pay to get my own money from any ATM and I'd think badly of a business which seeks to make money from providing such a "service".
     
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    andygambles

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    As mentioned cash withdrawals are widely expected to be free. Although elsewhere in Europe and the US they charge for nearly everything just like they do on business accounts.

    Personally if I need the money then £1.99 is not a lot (and I would also draw out a couple hundred pounds just to make it more worth it). I have an idea that it is the convenience and it will probably cost me more in time and money to travel to the next cash point. Unless of course it is only a couple of minutes walk away :).

    However given the negativity it is giving your business it would be worth getting rid of. Alternatively talk to a bank who may pay to have it in there. No idea how you do this but a shop owner I know on the beach managed to convince a bank to put a free cash machine in his premises. The nearest cash machine is 2 miles away. Win for the bank as the shop owner doesn't charge and win for the shop owner as his customers can get cash.
     
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    I think the catch you may be up against is that a lot of in-store cash machines which used to charge have over roughly the last year switched to free withdrawals. I think there was some pressure from the government on this issue though I think the pressure was on financial institutions rather than store owners?

    Obviously in a garden centre you may not be dealing with really poor people but I think part of the pressure was due to cash machines in convenience stores carrying a charge but these machines tended to be used by the genuinely poor people in areas where there were no other facilities for obtaining cash?

    Nevertheless for whatever reason a lot of 'charging' within store cash machines are now advertised as 'free' cash machines and this may be one reason why you are encountering such an adverse reaction?

    I'd agree with the person who suggested that it might be better if you offered a cash back facility when someone makes a purchase. The catch obviously is that of having enough cash on hand! Today I went to a 'hole in the wall' cash machine at a bank just 25 yards or so from my own shop on the same side of the road only to find it flagging up that it could not be used at that time. So I went into the Convenience Store just two doors from my own business which has one of the new 'Open Counter' Post Offices. In theory they were more than willing that I put my card in their counter card machine and withdrew some cash but in fact they only had £20 in notes available at that point while I needed a minimum of thirty for a specific purpose :(

    So then I trudged over to the bank just across from my business and that hole in the wall was functional and disgorged the cash I needed.

    So if my need was so desperate why couldn't I borrow the cash from my own business? Well we had someone available to go and bank for us late yesterday (open counter Post Offices can't accept our deposits so it takes a drive to a 'real full fat' Post Office). So our cash on hand was more than adequate for giving change but not so plentiful to avoid inconvenience if I borrowed from it at that point.

    I got my cash. If the second hole in the wall cash machine had not been working, I could, for the sake of making some purchase have got cash within-store from the Co-operative Convenience Store just across the road. Or I could have walked about 100 yards to a Tesco Convenience Store (I normally firmly act as if Tesco does not exist!) and used their hole in the wall.

    My need at that point was quite trifling, I just wanted to pay another business which had helpfully and speedily got something for my own personal use and that business doesn't have a card machine. They'd have waited but I didn't want them to have to wait... I don't carry much personal cash around with me because sometimes I have to carry business cash between the end of one business day and the start of the next and I just prefer to keep the amount under control.

    This sort of experience, in an area with umpteen in theory ways to obtain cash, does make you realise how desperate it must be for some householders on limited incomes in areas without such facilities and where maybe the only cash machine charges. Personally I resent being charged £1 or £1.50 or £1.99 or whatever to access my cash but such a charge doesn't impinge on my ability to eat or buy clothes for my children or keep a roof over my head, for many people unfortunately it does.
     
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    We had a cash machine in one of our branches because it was quite a distance to the nearest machines. After around 6 months we decided to get rid as the £1.75 charge of which we got £1.00 per transaction did not cover the additional insurance premium.

    We now offer cash back on purchases over £5.00.

    During the 6 months we had the machine we did get several complaints about the charge. Using the machine is not compulsory, the £1.75 charge is advertised on the machine before you put the card in and then the machine asked you to accept the £1.75 charge yet people still needed to complain.

    As an earlier reply states people become use to receiving the service for free from banks when they get charged for the same service they are unhappy, but not unhappy enough to walk and find an alternative machine.
     
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    grazzenger

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    I worked as the cash dispenser global marketing manager for the world's largest ATM manufacturer, NCR. If you'd like to understand the whole picture and the options open to you, please feel free to PM me.

    In short, there are 2 sectors of ATM deployment, the banks and Independent ATM Deployers (IADs) which are private companies. Most banks offer free cash withdrawals from any ATM. It's all about the size of their 'fleet'. There is an interchange fee (c20p) when you use an ATM not on your bank's network, that your bank must pay to the 'acquiring' bank, ie the bank who's ATM you use. the bigger the fleet of ATMs a bank has, the more transactions it will drive from non-customers and the more interchange revenue it will generate. This has to be balanced against the cost of deploying and running their network.

    IADs also earn this interchange revenue but don't make the extra revenue/ financial benefits that banks make from retail banking, eg overdraft fees. So in order to be financially viable, they have needed to charge an additional 'convenience' fee.

    What's happened recently is that the UK's largest IAD, Bank Machine, have developed a fleet large enough and in good enough locations that they can drive large enough transaction volumes to survive on the interchange fee alone.

    As a rough idea, a free ATM will generate c3500 transactions/ month, a charging ATM generates about a tenth of that.

    And that's the short version! there are many business models from banks, IADs and they'll even work together, so do ask if you'd like to know more.
     
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    quikshop

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    I never understood the argument where people say "you shouldn't charge me to withdraw my own money".

    It obviously costs someone a lot of money to provide me with the convenience of looking after my money

    Banks laugh all the way to the, er, bank because of compliant customers like you :rolleyes:

    They make a mint from using retail deposits in financial markets and in return they offer to reduce the value of your money (interest rate vs inflation), charge you a monthly fee for the privilege, hammer you with illegal fees, sell you unsuitable products AND want to charge customers for getting to their own money.

    So yes, it is disgraceful that people are charged for withdrawing their own money and to the OP; nice idea but that is a large fee, get rid!
     
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    PrestonLad

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    Banks laugh all the way to the, er, bank because of compliant customers like you :rolleyes:

    They make a mint from using retail deposits in financial markets and in return they offer to reduce the value of your money (interest rate vs inflation), charge you a monthly fee for the privilege, hammer you with illegal fees, sell you unsuitable products AND want to charge customers for getting to their own money.

    So yes, it is disgraceful that people are charged for withdrawing their own money ...

    Ouch. Calling me 'compliant' in that way, on the basis of an isolated quote, feels somewhat belittling - and unfair.

    I would indeed rather banks charged me a small, fair fee for transporting money securely around the country to allow me to withdraw money from thousands of convenient locations.

    But there has to be a flip-side; for example, they should pay improved interest rates when they have my money.

    By vehemently defending your supposed right to cost-free withdrawal of your own money (no matter how much that service costs), you make it easier for the banks to justify their other inflated fees.

    IMO, it would be easier to expose unfairness in bank charging and banking practices, if the charges they make, and interest they pay, were DIRECTLY related to the services they provide and the money they hold.
     
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    Banks laugh all the way to the, er, bank because of compliant customers like you :rolleyes:

    They make a mint from using retail deposits in financial markets and in return they offer to reduce the value of your money (interest rate vs inflation), charge you a monthly fee for the privilege, hammer you with illegal fees, sell you unsuitable products AND want to charge customers for getting to their own money.

    So yes, it is disgraceful that people are charged for withdrawing their own money and to the OP; nice idea but that is a large fee, get rid!


    Except that it isn't a large fee, it's the norm for that sort of ATM. I try not to use them but if I've not thought ahead then sometimes it's the only way to get cash and I have the choice to pay or not. Personally I don't moan about it but I can imagine the customers who would, they'll be the ones who try to give the impression that they have pots of money whilst probably having none!
     
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