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Clodbuster said:
He is - his wife is not. His father was a GP and mother a pharmacist
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His father was a GP yes - that meant his father was the self made man

Have a look at what a GP earns today (£60-90k) plus a pharmacist (£40k max) - now what would that leave post tax. £70-80k max

Current Winchester fees £43.335K per annum - 3 children not doable nowadays

And unless you are actually a old wykamist i will call you out on this, it is a very very very hierarchical school, your have to be in the right society's and have the right parental connections (unless you are a brilliant sportsman) to make it to head boy it is not a meritocracy. (I went to a different pubic school ish so do know what i am saying) being amember of those society's and keeping in with the right set costs money (by brother in law couldn't keep up with that crowd so stuck to rowing as a cheaper pursuit !)

Being head boy at winchester in the 90's was before recent changes a shoe in to oxbridge (usually oxford) - from the 50's to the 70's the rector of lincoln college oxford was an ex Winchester deputy head and as such the entry requirements were a bit different for wykamists and until very recently it was the college of choice for them (my father in law was looked at weirdly for going to Balliol). This meant they got to stay in the same circles, keep with the same contacts and make the most of their abilities.

Do you think if Rishi was the son of a dustman from Dudley he could have got to Oxbridge and if he had he would have got into Lincoln, and if he had he would have been in with the right crowd etc etc
 
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What you are saying is that his parents probably paupered themselves to give their children the best education they could - not a crime in my book. Did they hand him a wodge of cash? Like me - his parents had to leave Africa and probably arrived with nothing to their name.
 
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Clodbuster said:
What you are saying is that his parents probably paupered themselves to give their children the best education they could - not a crime in my book. Did they hand him a wodge of cash? Like me - his parents had to leave Africa and probably arrived with nothing to their name.
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No I am saying that what was possible for his parents to do (who I am in no doubt worked their socks off) was to pay to give their child a leg up (nothing wrong with that, but it was their industry not his that got him that chance - he just took it).

equally now an African medical graduate would find it hard to get to the uk, get a job, get a permanent job at a GP's, get a partnership and earn decent money. I don't know his parents story (other than being Punjabi emigrants from Uganda) but I am assuming he did at least some of his medical training before arriving as otherwise he wouldn't even get into the UK nowadays

Even if they did it might be enough to get a single child into a public school and if they did it would be push to afford the extras to get to head boy
 
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IanSuth said:
Do you think if Rishi was the son of a dustman from Dudley he could have got to Oxbridge and if he had he would have got into Lincoln, and if he had he would have been in with the right crowd etc etc
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I have no idea - are you able to guarantee he would not or is this simply a biased opinion. I'm not a a dustman oops, dustperson, but my son got accepted to Cambridge from the town school so i'm going to say that if you are clever enough anyone can get in to your uni of choice.
 
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Clodbuster said:
Not true, my wife is a GP trained in Zimbabwe although did a year in Brighton in the 1980's. When we arrived she did have to undergo a years retraining but was employed here at the local clinic.
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I didnt say employed if you look i said "get a job, get a permanent job at a GP's, get a partnership and earn decent money" as you are no doubt aware it is hard ot get a high enough up gp's job to earn decent money since the contracts all changed (my brother in law the old wykamist's wife is a qualified GP who dropped out of medicine after getting disillusioned at doing all the work whilst the practice owner took all the £)

Well done you son but as you are well aware, Oxford and Cambridge have become far fairer in their entrance policies in the last 10 years
 
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simon field said:
It’s an avenue open to all, with a can and will-do attitude!

What barriers are there to meeting the love of your life, that can’t be overcome? ?
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You think you can meet multi millionaires without being able to afford the bus fare to wherever it is that multi millionaires go?
 
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japancool said:
I failed to get into Cambridge. They probably looked at my B in A-Level maths and decided against it. Of course, they failed to take into account that I only actually did 2 weeks' work for that grade...
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I failed to get into Cambridge, went to Durham instead where I found the admissions tutor who rejected me from Cambridge was the new professor in my department in Durham.
 
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IanSuth said:
Do you think if Rishi was the son of a dustman from Dudley he could have got to Oxbridge
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Yes. The sad thing is entrenched attitudes like this that put them off applying in the first place. Plenty from my state school class of '81 went to Oxbridge with no special connections, and did very well.
 
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DontAsk said:
Yes. The sad thing is entrenched attitudes like this that put them off applying in the first place. Plenty from my state school class of '81 went to Oxbridge with no special connections, and did very well.
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Now read the whole thing

"Do you think if Rishi was the son of a dustman from Dudley he could have got to Oxbridge and if he had he would have got into Lincoln, and if he had he would have been in with the right crowd etc etc"

I didn't say couldn't get there, i said get there, get into the right college for the right connections and be in the right crowd (like the Bullingdon),

It is an absolute fact that in all walks of life who you know makes a difference, certain things make you more likely to meet certain people that make certain paths easier to tread.

Actors children often make it in acting because they know the right people and have the right name

I am not saying it is "wrong" I am saying it would be stupid to pretend it is not the case - hence i stand by my earlier statement.

Rishi is not a self made man, Rishi's dad was, he took full advantage of what he and his wife could afford from their hard work and bought their son the opportunity to make the best he could of himself. Rishi obviously worked hard (you don't survive at Goldman Sachs otherwise no matter who your partner is) but he did not drag himself up from the gutter like some seem to profess

[i went to a school that was competitive entry with all fees means assisted so i was there for 7 yrs boarding for £0 - several of my class mates did very well. One the son of a plant nursery owner and electron microscopist (sp?) went to downing Cambridge and owns an equity release firm having been a top actuary, another who was from a single parent family ran the team that created the FT's current website, A guy the year above me has his name on a lot of the Sony patents relating to sound on the playstation range and now heads a team at MS - We all knew we were given a chance to step up from our parental background, some took it, i didnt manage to to the same extent]
 
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Newchodge said:
You think you can meet multi millionaires without being able to afford the bus fare to wherever it is that multi millionaires go?
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It’s all relative. When I met my (then) wife, she had nothing but a mattress on the floor round a friend’s house, and a bag full of clothes. I probably earned £70k that year.

Your point is?
 
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simon field said:
It’s all relative. When I met my (then) wife, she had nothing but a mattress on the floor round a friend’s house, and a bag full of clothes. I probably earned £70k that year.

Your point is?
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You had a point of contact - the friend. People with nothing do not have contacts who knoe multi millionaires.
 
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Sunak is still self made, whether his folks were savvy enough to get him a fine education enabling him to achieve as well is his good luck. He began with very little and worked hard (I think) for good return. I'm sure there are a many who were given the same/similar education who are essentially basket cases today. (Newchodge will include Boris in that category)
 
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This is where the green eyed monster usually appears!

What is ‘rich’?

Normally comes down to ‘someone who has more money than me’ ?
 
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simon field said:
This is where the green eyed monster usually appears!

What is ‘rich’?

Normally comes down to ‘someone who has more money than me’ ?
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In my view Rich is defined as - can if they wish just buy things they want on a whim without having to do the sums.

It is therefore different for different people- myself, even if given £10m would not buy a £250k car or a Superyacht so would feel very rich. A Saudi prince would likely feel poor.

Equally someone living hand to mouth in a bedsit suddenly given £10k would feel rich (for a while) whilst I would just be glad of it

“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six , result happiness.
Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery”​

 
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If you actually want a self made man near the top Sajid Javid is a far better example - I remember an interview a couple of years back about his parents having to find the money for a uni masters student to give him some extra tuition as his school wouldnt teach him the Olevel just the cse sylabus, he passed and then got an A at Alevel Maths. They did that working as I think a bus conductor and seamstress.

He would have a far better grasp of what is required to give people an equal chance

(and he was Chase Manhatten's youngest mgr at 25)

Found the interview (i was nearly right, hence changing train to bus in bit above) - https://www.sajidjavid.com/news/tim...gning-chancellor-and-how-government-faring-21
 
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IanSuth said:
In my view Rich is defined as - can if they wish just buy things they want on a whim without having to do the sums.

It is therefore different for different people- myself, even if given £10m would not buy a £250k car or a Superyacht so would feel very rich. A Saudi prince would likely feel poor.

Equally someone living hand to mouth in a bedsit suddenly given £10k would feel rich (for a while) whilst I would just be glad of it

“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six , result happiness.​

Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery”​

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So So simplistic, Most millionaires have worked their butts off working all hours to become one, some are lucky and inherit or win the dosh but most follow the bloody hard work route that labour supporters seem to hate
 
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Chris Ashdown said:
So So simplistic, Most millionaires have worked their butts off working all hours to become one, some are lucky and inherit or win the dosh but most follow the bloody hard work route that labour supporters seem to hate
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What on earth are you on about

I wasnt putting down those that have worked hard - i was saying Rich is different for different people and giving it a definition that was independent of an actual monetary value

I guarantee that you and I would have a different threshold at which we felt "rich", i don't know you so i don't know whose threshold would be higher but we all have a different point at which extra money is just "spare" even in the long-term, this is when you hit rich in my opinion

Nothing to do with Left/right or envy, just a matter of individuals personal needs and desires
 
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Newchodge said:
You had a point of contact - the friend. People with nothing do not have contacts who knoe multi millionaires.
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Who are these people with nothing and why don't they know anybody?

The Guardian thought that everyone was 6 - 7 degrees of separation from everyone else in 2008

www.theguardian.com

Microsoft proves there are just six degrees of separation between us

After checking 30 billion electronic messages, Microsoft researchers say the theory stands up
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

in 2016 it was 3 - 4 if you use Facebook

www.theguardian.com

Facebook brings the world three-and-a-bit degrees of separation closer

The social media platform used its friend graph to calculate the degrees separating its 1.6 billion members and found it is as few as 3.57 people
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

School children managed it in New Zealand in 2018

www.theguardian.com

New Zealand 'six degrees of separation' experiment reaches PM Jacinda Ardern

Prime minister receives 18 letters from school children whose messages were only allowed to pass through a maximum of five sets of hands
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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Cant seem to quote the above, i turn notifications off from these so as to not get destracted from my work.

Regarding the bias in news and where to get authentic news from.
To be honest i am really not sure. Aljazeera i am told is unbiased so i tend to read that. Re the Russsian conflict, there is an app called "LiveUAMap" that a friend advised gives impartial non biased news.

I think sadly though, we are all victims of mushroom syndrome, kept in the dark and fed BS.
I think in balance i am no fan of the current government. I do not think either Boris or anyone else in Government is fit to lead. There are very real problems to deal with. One thing i am tired of is seeing how this country seems to be run like a business, and its not. I am sure some here will argue. But again thats my opinion, have a nice day gentlepeople.
 
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Bye bye Angela ‘legs eleven’ Rayner?

Another one who seems a tad two-faced ( nasty piece of work ) and a bit too loyal to her millionaire boss sir keir caviar starmer!
 
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Clodbuster said:
Where is there a politician that does not lie???? Labour now has a quiz evening during the pandemic.
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Really pathetic isn’t it!

No wonder Starmer & co haven’t been able (or willing) to capitalise on the lawlessness of Johnson & the Tories!

Still no news on the cocaine found in the loos in the House of Parliament - random drug tests for the lot of ‘em!
 
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simon field said:
Bye bye Angela ‘legs eleven’ Rayner?

Another one who seems a tad two-faced ( nasty piece of work ) and a bit too loyal to her millionaire boss sir keir caviar starmer!
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Loyal? They've never got on. Starmer isn't left wing enough for her.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Keir Starmer is accused over 'brutal' plot to get rid of Rayner

A senior party figure revealed to The Mail on Sunday yesterday that Sir Keir's advisers had discussed the extraordinary step of abolishing Ms Rayner's post.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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