Adult Movies - "taboo" business

[Consistency]

What evidence do you have for this?

Do you know I get really sick of people wanting a statistic by somke university ponce who has done a study to prove everything and if there aint a statistic then it dont exxist in their heads.........Rant over.

Pornography is addictive.
Drugs are addictive. Simple. No case study needed, I live in the world and see with my eyes.

 

[paultnl]

Do you know I get really sick of people wanting a statistic by somke university ponce who has done a study to prove everything and if there aint a statistic then it dont exxist in their heads.........Rant over.

Pornography is addictive.
Drugs are addictive. Simple. No case study needed, I live in the world and see with my eyes.

So that will be none then.

 

[Consistency]

I ranted too much there but my advise to you is

Look at the world with your eyes
Think with your own head
See what is in front of you and outside of your door

There is a world outside your window
There is a reality outside of your book

A statistic for this and a statistic for that, a case reference for this a case reference for that. I have known drug addicts to know that they are addictive and have seen their results. I have also known a few who cannot have sex with a woman without thinking of what he has seen on the screen and imaginings and have to have their daily fix of a wink and often wanted things harder than what was available.

 

[ORDERED WEB]

Hi everyone.

It's been some time I've been working, more or less intensively, on my project. Idea is old and simple - adult webpage with weekly (or twice a week) uploads, monthly membership plan etc.

We aim to focus on very specific type of eroticism (particular fetish, not a mainstream pornography). Because of that, the target group is limited (still big enough to make a decent profit, especially in USA, Japan, Germany and Italy), yet we're confident we can make it, for the fact is our main concern is very good quality and, actually, fulfilling customers' needs rather that our own.

The hard part of the preparation process, was to find women with abilities and willingness to play, but that, hopefully, seems to be done by now (women, with all their adorable qualities, are to emotional for me to be 100% certain they will do it).

So that's where I'm coming from, now to the point.

I am doing it with my business partner from another EU country. He's got some equipment, unfortunatelly, due to personal problems, hardly any money to put into business. We need approximately 8.000 GBP to start and run the business for 2-3 months (that is - uploading new movies and photos). I happened to collect enough money to cover all that expenses by myself, but, honestly, I don't want to take the whole financial risk on my back. At the same time, I don't want to delay the project with such silly reason as lack of money.

Hence we were considering if there is a way to get a grant for start up e-business? The project is very specific and taboo on one hand, on the other - probably I won't find a single person on that message board who has never seen any porn or erotic movie, which makes me believe that such thing is equally rare and common.

Does anyone know if I can get a grant for that, what grant I can aim for, or if there's any professional financing advice or company who can help us to get necessary money (or information) to start the project?

Important note: It goes without saying, but all women are over 18 years old, no animals or any other sick perversion involved. And I do hope this topic will not turn into sententious discussion

Thanks everyone!

I really cant see why you need 8K to start this

 

[paultnl]

I ranted too much there but my advise to you is

Look at the world with your eyes
Think with your own head
See what is in front of you and outside of your door

I do, which is why I asked for your evidence so that I could look for myself.

In the mean time I will ignore your "moral" rantings

 

[Consistency]

I do, which is why I asked for your evidence so that I could look for myself.

In the mean time I will ignore your "moral" rantings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_addiction


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_dependence

I have not read either of these articles but may be of interest to you.

There are many children who suffered for example from the drug Thalidomide but statistics and books would not recognise this, let alone the medical profession for many many many years.

 

[paultnl]

The first sentence of the first link says

"There is no diagnosis of pornography addiction in the current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), "

Priceless

 

[Consistency]

Read on....................

Typical of a statiscal statue, reads to where he thinks it proves his point "oh a statistic" and thinks that closes the case. It certainly does not.

I have no faith in these statistics anyway. Medical experts who compile these statistics would have you think there were hardly any side effects to vaccinations. Ask the parents who saw their child pre-vaccination and post vaccination. They would have to all get together to write their own book of statistics because their is bias in that medical profession.

Stick with your statistics, it is more comfortable than the world outside.

 

[paultnl]

Stick with your statistics, it is more comfortable than the world outside.

You obviously do not let facts get in the way of your beliefs. I suspect you also believe in a "god"

 

[Consistency]

I do indeed have faith, a faithless society is a lawless one.

What are facts as such?

Write us an essay or show a statistic.

All a statistic is is a study of a number of people.

A study can say statistics say in this area of Birmingham hate crime has gone down. You would say there you go there is a statistic. I would say how many people will not admit to being a victim of a hate crime and what constitutes a hate crime anyway? Are larger people who are thrown at in the study, are Christians in the study? Who has done the study?

Statistics are not all they are cracked up to be and even though universities do a course in them does not make them any more valid.

 

[Parthelan]

Statistics are not all they are cracked up to be

Yep. Agreed. You can make statistics prove anything you like - which is why it's always worth looking at the paymasters behind any piece of research. While I am slow to discount any piece of empirical evidence, I'm equally slow to swollow any ''statistic'' that gets thrown my way.
Also worth remembering that statistics change over time, they may not be based on a large enough sample but that doesnt stop some from drawing invalid conclusions, and their origins may not even be known - an example is the classic 1 in 4 people have or will suffer from a mental health problem. Fine, but what is being defined as a mental health problem, and who first drew up the 1 in 4 ratio? It's lost, obscured, and misrepresented over the course of time, the definition is unclear, and yet that figure gets bandied about all over the place.
I used to smoke, so Id like to apologise now for all the statistics I inadvertently caused as a smoker

 

[Consistency]

There is of course the fact if you like that children who get abused when they get older then go on to abuse their own children. What the statistics say about this, who only knows but how is it possible to get a statistic on this?

First they would need to ask people if they were abused. How many people have been abused who would never ever admit it to anyone outside of themselves. So even when they are asked, they lie and become part of a statistic that was not abused when they were.

The next they would say do you abuse your children, "oh yes" says Dave, "every night I get urges to b%% the baby as I had it done to me, this is a confidential survey is it?" Would anyone admit to that seriously although the post is crude, I do not think they would not unless that have been found guilty and using that as an excuse.

So ask the children when they are older when they have wrote their book "look what happened to me" they are already open but this does not count for much at all. It comes down to if they want to lie, exaggerate, cover up, simply be open, partially tell etc.

I will say I know a lady who has a son. He is about 12 now. She was severely abused as a child, terribly abused. I do not think I have met a mother much nicer than her. She was dedicated and lived to make sure he did not go through anything she did and wanted to make him as happy as possible to give what she never had. Yet statistics would probably put her as a risky mother due to her past.

I do apologise for using such a cruel example but this is why statistics are not what they are made out to be. They are biased and are rarely of the real world that ordinary people live in.

 

[paultnl]

You are deliberately trying to obscure facts with questions about statistics. Admittedly there have been a number of occasions where people have tried to use statistical abuse to try to prove their point, but over time "truth will out" and history proves that the scientific method is unchallenged when used correctly.

You may enjoy your faith in the privacy of your own home, but when you try to impose it on others you are crossing the line (in my opinion). The OP opened this thread with a business question which has been well addressed, at no point was the morality of the business raised. As long as it involves consenting adults there is no problem with his business model apart from the fact that the days of monetizing porn are long gone.

You also spuriously brought in the drugs issue; two points.

1. Pre-war many drugs were not illegal and only the thought that it must be "wrong" created the situation that we have now. I suggest that you look at Portugal for an example of how it can be handled without promoting criminality.

2. Thalidomide was and is a therapeutic drug , side effects were the result of insufficient testing not that there is anything "wrong" with the compound.

"a faithless society is a lawless one."

A world where you make everything illegal is full of criminals.

 

[MASSEY]

Firstly Consistency porn is watched by the masses. Just because some one watches porn does in no way shape or form mean they are suffering from an addiction. You also can not say that it brings disease and that it is morally in-correct.

They are your opinions granted, not facts.

 

[paultnl]

Yep. Agreed. You can make statistics prove anything you like - which is why it's always worth looking at the paymasters behind any piece of research. While I am slow to discount any piece of empirical evidence, I'm equally slow to swollow any ''statistic'' that gets thrown my way.
Also worth remembering that statistics change over time, they may not be based on a large enough sample but that doesnt stop some from drawing invalid conclusions, and their origins may not even be known - an example is the classic 1 in 4 people have or will suffer from a mental health problem. Fine, but what is being defined as a mental health problem, and who first drew up the 1 in 4 ratio? It's lost, obscured, and misrepresented over the course of time, the definition is unclear, and yet that figure gets bandied about all over the place.
I used to smoke, so Id like to apologise now for all the statistics I inadvertently caused as a smoker

There was a very good program on this on radio 4 recently. If you cant find it I will dig out the link.

 

[Consistency]

I never said that if someone watches porn they are suffering from an addiction what I did say is that there are many who are addicted to it and that is one of the similarities to drugs.

I might like cake but if I have a slice or two it does not mean that I am addicted. Winking over porn is probably a habit for many.

I do think it spreads disases, all that rectum sex without a condom and swapping it about cannot be good.

I do think it is morally incorrect as I would not like my son or daughter or mOther and Father to be involved in anything like that.

 

[paultnl]

I never said that if someone watches porn they are suffering from an addiction what I did say is that there are many who are addicted to it and that is one of the similarities to drugs.

Once again, where is your evidence?

I might like cake but if I have a slice or two it does not mean that I am addicted. Winking over porn is probably a habit for many.

Probably true, but no evidence that this is harmfull in any way.

I do think it spreads disases, all that rectum sex without a condom and swapping it about cannot be good.

Last time I looked the porn industry was very strong in making sure that all performers were tested and clean.

I do think it is morally incorrect as I would not like my son or daughter or mOther and Father to be involved in anything like that.

What gives you the right to dictate what any member of your family freely does? This is one step away from so called "honor" killings.

I am not trying to be contentious, mearly trying to point out the stupidity of of basing policy on "religious" beliefs.

 

[Consistency]

The above quote has not come out right. This is part of paultnl post "What gives you the right to dictate what any member of your family freely does? This is one step away from so called "honor" killings."

I do not agree with honor killings and I do not agree with porn. Honor killings are awful and there is no honor in that. People are individuals and they have to make their own minds up. If they, however close someone is to me, wants to sin, as much as I may not like that they have the right to sin and if they realise later they should not have done it to repent and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.

One cannot be dragged into knowing Jesus Christ or accepting him. It is a matter for them. We as Christians are told that we are to spread the word of Christ but forcing it on someone is different.

I said that I would not want them to be involved in pornography as I would not want them involved in drugs or its dealing, but like anyone, they have their free will and could not stop them should they as my parents could not stop me doing the things that I have done wrong. They could only advise.

 

[Parthelan]

I am not trying to be contentious, mearly trying to point out the stupidity of of basing policy on "religious" beliefs.

You'll find the Judeo-Christian heritage is behind a lot of policy and laws even. Ever hear of ''thou shalt not kill'', or how about ''thou shalt not steal''.

 

[paultnl]

You'll find the Judeo-Christian heritage is behind a lot of policy and laws even. Ever hear of ''thou shalt not kill'', or how about ''thou shalt not steal''.

I think you will find that these ideas are much more widely spead than the Judeo-Christian heratige. My point is that something that "everyone" agrees with is different to something that all Christians, Jews, Latter day Saints, sect of your choice agree with.

It is interesting that the UK insanity laws have exceptions for religious beliefs.

 

[Parthelan]

Pornographers see porn as a business pure and simple. They subscribe to the moto everyone for themselves, and trot out stuff like so long as its hurting no-one blah blah blah and of course the inevitable mankind will always want it, so I may as well supply it and make a few quid. Supply and demand etc.
I call it selective reasoning. We are a gregarious species and work in societies. What the individual does as an individual affects society as a whole - that may be for the better, or it may be for worse.
We recognise as a society certain activities are not acceptable and we go so far as to lock these individuals up, and in some societies execute them, for the good of society at large.
But then we try to reason in some cases exposure to drugs or pornography is only affecting those involved, and not wider society. That's the selective reasoning I referred to.
We're now supposed to subscribe to all manner of things, or at least turn a blind eye, with the fear of being called a bigot or worse if we dont.
I cant help but feel sad and wonder what some of the kids in my youngsters school will consider normal, when they are growing up with each of them having a different father (3 in one family), exposed to the sexualisation of kids through mtv, xfactor etc, watching their older siblings chill with a spliff, and are living the second and third generation of parent or parents living off benefits and valuing education as much as they value warts. These kids think porn and drugs are normal and harmless. So did their parents.
When you engage with them, you can see their self worth is measured by their sexualisation, bling and street cred. Dont dare diss them or they'll knife you to show you should show them respek innit!
They think there's something wrong with them if theyre not living with someone, in a council flat, expecting by the age of 17!
Where could they possibly picked up that moral compass? Church? School? Volunteer group such as St. John Ambuslance or the Sea Cadets?
Or could it be the unrelenting exposure to sex, drugs, and certain music that tells you only you matter, you da man, deal drugs and sex to be cool and pop a cap in someones a$$ if you get dissed?? Hmmmm.......

 

[paultnl]

Pornographers see porn as a business pure and simple. They subscribe to the moto everyone for themselves, and trot out stuff like so long as its hurting no-one blah blah blah and of course the inevitable mankind will always want it, so I may as well supply it and make a few quid. Supply and demand etc.
I call it selective reasoning. We are a gregarious species and work in societies. What the individual does as an individual affects society as a whole - that may be for the better, or it may be for worse.
We recognise as a society certain activities are not acceptable and we go so far as to lock these individuals up, and in some societies execute them, for the good of society at large.
But then we try to reason in some cases exposure to drugs or pornography is only affecting those involved, and not wider society. That's the selective reasoning I referred to.
We're now supposed to subscribe to all manner of things, or at least turn a blind eye, with the fear of being called a bigot or worse if we dont.
I cant help but feel sad and wonder what some of the kids in my youngsters school will consider normal, when they are growing up with each of them having a different father (3 in one family), exposed to the sexualisation of kids through mtv, xfactor etc, watching their older siblings chill with a spliff, and are living the second and third generation of parent or parents living off benefits and valuing education as much as they value warts. These kids think porn and drugs are normal and harmless. So did their parents.
When you engage with them, you can see their self worth is measured by their sexualisation, bling and street cred. Dont dare diss them or they'll knife you to show you should show them respek innit!
They think there's something wrong with them if theyre not living with someone, in a council flat, expecting by the age of 17!
Where could they possibly picked up that moral compass? Church? School? Volunteer group such as St. John Ambuslance or the Sea Cadets?
Or could it be the unrelenting exposure to sex, drugs, and certain music that tells you only you matter, you da man, deal drugs and sex to be cool and pop a cap in someones a$$ if you get dissed?? Hmmmm.......

A very long post, your point is?

 

[Consistency]

A very long post, your point is?

A long post - not that long at all and every word in it absolutely valid and thought out with reason.

Is it that your readability is only able to take in the length of a text?

Can you not understand unless it is accompaied by a case reference for a statistic?

And your point is?

 

[Parthelan]

It is interesting that the UK insanity laws have exceptions for religious beliefs.

Not just religious beliefs, but also disorderly conduct, sexual orientation, cultural and political beliefs, and drug use.

 

[paultnl]

Not just religious beliefs, but also disorderly conduct, sexual orientation, cultural and political beliefs, and drug use.

And they are valid because?

 

[Consistency]

And they are valid because?

And you are valid because............

 

[Parthelan]

A very long post, your point is?

My point is, whether we like it or not, whether we agree with it or not, whether we believe it or not, society at large is harmed by acts which denegrade the human body and the human soul. Whether those acts are done by a lone individual, a small group, or the whole of society itself.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee.

 

[Parthelan]

And they are valid because?

Disorderly conduct - lots of racism back in the day in both the police and health services where if you lashed out you could be sectioned. Studies showed black people in britain were more likely to be sectioned that white people for similar behaviour. I assessed a man in Claybury who was brought in under section for ripping his clothes off in the street and wailing - he'd just been told his wife had died in Ghana and was expressing his grief as he would at home.

Cultural beliefs - if I sleep with my bed raised to stop the Ugugu monster eating my feet, then maybe there's a problem there - if everyone in my society and culture does, Im actually behaving quite normally.

Etc etc ......

 

[paultnl]

Disorderly conduct - lots of racism back in the day in both the police and health services where if you lashed out you could be sectioned. Studies showed black people in britain were more likely to be sectioned that white people for similar behaviour. I assessed a man in Claybury who was brought in under section for ripping his clothes off in the street and wailing - he'd just been told his wife had died in Ghana and was expressing his grief as he would at home.

Cultural beliefs - if I sleep with my bed raised to stop the Ugugu monster eating my feet, then maybe there's a problem there - if everyone in my society and culture does, Im actually behaving quite normally.

Etc etc ......

Thank you for making my point. People with religious beliefs are a minority and should not be setting the agenda for everyone else.


In a fair Society, laws should be based on consensus of the whole population educated with verifiable facts, not a minority who base their decisions on mythical deities.

 

[Consistency]

If you are against exemtions being made on religious grounds then please help us in campaigning to get some of these exemptions banned. Halal slaughter and Kosher is an awful method of killing that is frightening and agonising. There is plenty of film footage for you to see on this. It is madness.

The Jewish Chronicle says that 70% of Kosher meat is sold to those that may not wish to buy it which is why they oppose labelling meat as Kosher, thus restricting our free choice of what to buy.

They say that if meat was labelled as Kosher, they would have to pay more for it. Would you consider writing to your MP to ask him if he would support the labelling of ritually slaughtered meat?

For anyone out there please would you?

I hear the question, what has this got to do with pornography? One issue of conversation leads to another and it has led to this by the mention of religious exemption.

There are not exemptions for Christians. It is not a right that we can demand not having to work on the sabbath, we can lose our jobs for it if we say no. These exemptions are for the "minority" but in no way extends to all.

That is madness in itself.

 

[Parthelan]

Thank you for making my point. People with religious beliefs are a minority and should not be setting the agenda for everyone else.In a fair Society, laws should be based on consensus of the whole population educated with verifiable facts, not a minority who base their decisions on mythical deities.

Lol... wrong on so many counts. Not only am I not making your point but you have failed completely to understand mine.
As for those believing in mythical deities setting the political agenda - lol lol lol - religious care orgnaisations have been forced to jump through hoops and in some cases act directly against their preferred practices in order to not fall foul of secular laws.
Those of certain religious persuasions are unable by law to preach as they see the message of the Bible, or be arrested for ''hate crime'' - but interestingly enough, I can be held up in a 3 hours traffic jam while the police escort a group of fanatics to the town hall burning an effigy of Salman Rushdie and chanting for his death.
You have little to fear from those of faith. They only occupy the small corner seat in a public square bursting at the seams with atheists, agnostics, secularists, pagans and heathens, most of whom are our lawmakers.
And on that small seat in the corner occupied by religious, christians now occupy just the left armrest!!!

I for one do not want to live in a society governed soley by religious zealots. A cursory glance at the history of Europe in the middle ages will show it wasnt such a great place to be. an even quicker glance to the east of today shows an even more terrifying picture.
I equally dont want to live in a society where morality, faith, and belief count for nothing.
Im glad pornography is at best frowned upon, and in some cases, banned.
Long may that be the case, business plan or no business plan.

 

[Cobby]

One cannot be dragged into knowing Jesus Christ or accepting him. It is a matter for them. We as Christians are told that we are to spread the word of Christ but forcing it on someone is different.

Your argument against pornography would be a lot stronger if you weren't basing it on your religious views and opinions while ignoring scientific conclusions to suit. Just to remind you that 'addiction' to a man-in-the-sky legend has caused more death, disease, hatred and misery than pornography ever has or will.

And you are valid because............

Try to calm down. Attacking that guy instead of his argument simply weakens your position.

Hope this helps!

 

[ORDERED WEB]

is this a business forum?

 

[Consistency]

My argument was not entirely based on faith, I think it is immoral and sleazy. I think that murder is wrong, not just because the Bible tells us that it is wrong but because I think it is wrong.

Now before you jump the gun and say I equate pornography to murder I do not, I am saying that I am against something because I think it is wrong, not always "just because" the Bible tells us.

The reason I responded to say "And you are valid because............" was in response to his response where someone takes the time to write a long post, goes into efforts to explain a point of view and he replies "And that is valid because.........."or whatever it is.

We all have our points of view and are all valid and it was to raise awareness of that.

In response to is this a business forum - I believe so but one discussion leads from one subject to another, that is conversation but the art of conversation is certainly dying.

 

[Parthelan]

Just to remind you that 'addiction' to a man-in-the-sky legend has caused more death, disease, hatred and misery than pornography ever has or will.

We need the equivolent of a Godwins Law for every time someone trots out that tired old chestnut that religion has killed more people than - (insert topic of choice)

 

[ORDERED WEB]

is the business illegal - yes/no
is the business operated legaly yes/no

for a business forum if the answers are no and yes, there is no moral debate

 

[Consistency]

was children chimney sweeping legal - yes/no
was the business operated legally - yes/no

There is a place for a moral debate everywhere, where do business ethics come from?

Some people run their business in accordance with certain moralities and a sense of care.

 

[directmarketingadvice]

Pornographers see porn as a business pure and simple. They subscribe to the moto everyone for themselves, and trot out stuff like so long as its hurting no-one

Tom,

Why do you spend so much time hanging out with pornographers?

I wouldn't have thought they'd be your sort of people.

Steve

 

[ORDERED WEB]

was children chimney sweeping legal - yes/no
was the business operated legally - yes/no

There is a place for a moral debate everywhere, where do business ethics come from?

Some people run their business in accordance with certain moralities and a sense of care.

at the time it was a legitimate business, it would just be nice to keep the moral ethical discussions that are way off topic, in the OFF TOPIC forum

 

[Parthelan]

Tom,

Why do you spend so much time hanging out with pornographers?

I wouldn't have thought they'd be your sort of people.

Steve

They're my friends. Why wouldnt I socalise with them. :|

Dont you hang out with your friends?? :|

Best not to think too much about what my ''sort of people'' are eh! You'd be very surprised