If that's true, fair enough.
I admit I'm sceptical, but you seem to be a Christian, and you can't be a Christian and a liar.
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Adult Movies - "taboo" business
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If that's true, fair enough.
I admit I'm sceptical, but you seem to be a Christian, and you can't be a Christian and a liar.
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Parthelan
There's already grumbling about this thread being taken completely off topic which we need to respect - but I can tell you behind those glossy photoshoped touched up images are many many stories of naivety, drug and alcohol abuse, mental health problems, and thats not going anywhere near the coersion, intimidation, violence and slave trade involved with some.
Through one woman I was introduced to another who was the first Id met who I though really had it all worked out. A home in London and Dublin and a boat in France, all paid for by a few hours work a week. 9 months later I enquired after her to be told she'd committed suicide.
The buyers of porn and the sellers of porn dont care about this.
Through the organisation I used to work with, I never met anyone in this business that didnt want to get out of it, and didnt regret it. But everyone from the guys that put the small ads out or the scouts for the agents and hand over the £100 cash to the publishers and distributors dont see or care about any of that.
After all, it's just business. What's morals and ethics got to do with it eh?
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Where are the stastics on that
I thought not lying was part of being a Christian?
Or am I wrong? I'm not a Christian so I may have misunderstood.
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I dont know. The outreach I was involved in only discussed business if thats what they wanted. The information we got from the women wanting out of the business indicates some did. We provided referrals for practical help, support and education. You would be stunned at the number of young women involved in the industry who dont even know the basics of good sexual health and hygiene. When you have had every ounce of human dignity stripped away, that extra £100 for not using a condom because some sections of the European market dont like it can mean the difference between shooting up, or shooting up, eating and getting drunk.
We didnt judge. We listened. And we provided resources and education.
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No you have not misunderstood. A Christian who does his best to walk with Jesus cannot lie. There is more to being a Christian than accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour and you are quite right but I have not seen from what I have read Tom Boyle lying but then I have not looked for it.
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Lol. Yep - but its nigh on impossible to discuss porn politics or religion without going waaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic - because they're those rich topics on which there will never ever ever be a consensus.
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Hahaha yes, good idea! What should we call it? The Law of Rational Thought? The Law of Reason? Or perhaps The Law of The Argument That Stops Ridiculous Discussions In Their Tracks?We need the equivolent of a Godwins Law for every time someone trots out that tired old chestnut that religion has killed more people than - (insert topic of choice)
If nobody trots out tired religious rhetoric then nobody can point out how dumb it is! Everybody wins!
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Ahhh. So, when you said you were friends with pornographers, you meant you knew people from the porn industry that were part of an outreach programme?
Perhaps not a lie, but very misleading at the very least.
Steve
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Lol .... not in the least. We offered outreach to those working in the industry and street prostitution. When you go to someones place of work (even if it's a bloomin freezing park at dawn because they can get more money for outdoor shoots than indoor shoots) or a very dangerous street at 3am, when you go for a drink and meals with them, when you talk about life, families, friends, when you help and listen, when you call them on significant dates like birthdays and when they call you up because they just want someone to talk to - then thats a friend in my book. Maybe not yours. But definately in mine.
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Maybe you just don't get this... but this doesn't make these people representative of their industry.
It's like taking some people who quit a job because they didn't like the boss and asking them what they thought of the boss. They fact they quit means you're automatically going to get a skewed answer.
Earlier in the thread, you talked about the motivations of pornographers. It turns out your negative characterisation of them isn't a result of knowing them, but is a result of knowing people who don't like them.
As I said, "misleading".
Steve
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Is a result of knowing them, experiencing them being used by them, fooled by them. That often results in not liking them and that is fair enough.
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Im afraid it's you that doesnt get it. Either your not reading what I said or you're not understanding it. Regardless, I know enough people on both sides of the camera to know pornographers attitudes to their ''stables'' is no better than that of the users of pornography. A commodity to be used and abused and discarded once the sell-by date is reached or it just doesnt do it for them anymore.
I happen to think all human beings are more valuable than that, and should be treated accordingly.
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Yes, but it ignores the opinions of people who are not dissatisfied with the industry.
So, as I said, it's not representative.
I once worked for a guy known as "Gordon the *******". Lots of people who worked for him quit because they though he was... well, a *******. (Those words blanked out are the B-word.)
If you asked those people what they though his motivations were, they might have said he was ruthless and was happy to step all over people.
If you asked the people who didn't quit, we might have said that he was in a role where things had to get done on time - and get done according to a strict set of rules. As a result, he needed his team to be 100% straight with him and willing to take responsibility. And, as long as you did that, he was totally loyal and always willing to help. (And, frankly, quite a good laugh.)
My point is, if you only listened to the first group of people, you'd be throwing away half the story.
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There are a lot that get on well with it, like the fake blonde bimbos who marry the millionaires, like the ones that use it for a wink as it is preferable to them than a real woman, the ones who make money from it.
I do not subscribe to all the women being involved being expoloited, they put themselves up for it and they make their money but there are many victims of it. I still do not think the industry is moral at all just because it is legal and has its "uses".
Chimney sweeping had many victims but there were some kiddies who were up for it and saw it as a challenge and liked whatever they got out of it and the industry needed them because they got in the awkward bits that others couldn't perhaps and the money makers just kept making their money.
Why did those against it have to oppose chimney sweeping, it destroyed an immoral business sector which was perfectly legal.
We hear more about slavery than we do about our own child slaves. We must not forget them or history will repeat itself.
I do not subscribe to all the women being involved being expoloited, they put themselves up for it and they make their money but there are many victims of it. I still do not think the industry is moral at all just because it is legal and has its "uses".
Chimney sweeping had many victims but there were some kiddies who were up for it and saw it as a challenge and liked whatever they got out of it and the industry needed them because they got in the awkward bits that others couldn't perhaps and the money makers just kept making their money.
Why did those against it have to oppose chimney sweeping, it destroyed an immoral business sector which was perfectly legal.
We hear more about slavery than we do about our own child slaves. We must not forget them or history will repeat itself.
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from adult websites to chimney sweeps and some guy called Gordon the B****** ... this thread just keeps on jogging down a strange and winding road.
it's funny how some seem to think that ALL women or men who participate in adult videos are coerced in to the world of darkness, they could never have decided to do it from choice i mean...who would want to do such a horrid, cruel and devil like thing << sarcasm via smileys!
as with anything in life, it ain't black and white, there are some that love it and some that hate it, there are some that are curious and there are some that faint at the very sight of it. We're all funny onions.
it's funny how some seem to think that ALL women or men who participate in adult videos are coerced in to the world of darkness, they could never have decided to do it from choice
i mean...who would want to do such a horrid, cruel and devil like thing << sarcasm via smileys!as with anything in life, it ain't black and white, there are some that love it and some that hate it, there are some that are curious and there are some that faint at the very sight of it. We're all funny onions.
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Try Amnesty: http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=e&id=80256DD400782B8480256E850048C185
Or have a look at the work of the Helen Bamber foundation or the Poppy Project.
This report here is also interesting: http://www.amnesty.org.uk/uploads/documents/doc_20461.pdf
37% of those identified as trafficked were for the purposes of sexual exploitation. This doesnt account for the numbers sexually abused in forced domestic servitude.
Current figures are something in the region of 5000 persons in the UK currenly trafficked.
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Who says th OP is talking about young vunerable women? For all we know there is a verging market in crinkly grannies making mince pies in thick tights and pinies
Way too many assumtions in this thread
Way too many opinions as opposed to facts
Way too many delusiuons of "rightness"
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All of which continue the Carousel. The 5000 figure has been widely questioned and a lot depends on the definition of "trafficked".
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