Perhaps if we'd locked down more thoroughly we could have stopped some dying before they had a chance of seeing if vaccines could have helped them and/or had we locked down the kids they may not be suffering now.
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Lockdown : lives "saved" ? Long term we'll be in deficit.
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Covid struck the whole of my family because they are from a particular gene pool, not because they were either rich or poor. They are discovering the same is true of the black death, that it struck certain gene pools whilst other gene pools survived.
On the flip side of the coin I've noticed that a great many people fail to alter their diet, stop smoking, drink too much alcohol and then seek someone or some other entity to blame. There's the government, they'll do, I'll blame them. It doesn't matter which government is in power, you have to monitor yourself and look after yourself. No ones going to do it for you. Also, I saw a woman on the tele the other night who said she was having to use food banks, had a full set of gel nails and recent highlights in her hair. As I single parent I didn't have access to nail bars and fancy hairdressers - I fed my kid!
I have been told previously on this forum that there's no VAT on fruit and veg, so that might not pan out either.
The unemployed, elderly and those on tax benefits can get cheaper access to the exercise venues in our town and I think that may be across the board, because they are a multi-national company I believe. Additionally, going for a walk costs you nothing and is really good exercise. I lived in central London and bought a pushbike out of a junk shop and spent a lot of my time cycling around London, though parks and such.
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I voted Green at the last election and am not a Torie so yet another theory sucked from nowhere touted as a fact.
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The party line being that you can somehow ‘control a virus’ by arresting people for having a coffee on the beach, or by putting planters in the parking area of a market town.
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You're now talking about the police arresting people for breaking a law which was put in place to save lives. Whether or not you agree with the law, you have to 'by law' follow it, if you were not then you were arrested/fined for breaking the law.
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Here is a quick question for people to have a think about.
The USA Department of Defence posted a job advert trying to hire someone, for $365000, for Covid 19 research, three months before Covid 19 was named by the WHO. The job and research was to be not in the USA but Ukraine.
To remind people, Jan 2020 people began to hear of a new disease sweeping Wuhan area in China, on the 11th of Feb 2020 the WHO named the disease Covid 19.
Yet this job was awarded on 12th November 2019 to Labyrinth Gold Inc.
Anyone feel rather than arguing amongst ourselves, we should feel the Worlds population has been played for mugs?
The USA Department of Defence posted a job advert trying to hire someone, for $365000, for Covid 19 research, three months before Covid 19 was named by the WHO. The job and research was to be not in the USA but Ukraine.
To remind people, Jan 2020 people began to hear of a new disease sweeping Wuhan area in China, on the 11th of Feb 2020 the WHO named the disease Covid 19.
Yet this job was awarded on 12th November 2019 to Labyrinth Gold Inc.
Anyone feel rather than arguing amongst ourselves, we should feel the Worlds population has been played for mugs?
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Only if you got caught. Like for instance, the people who tried to make those ridiculous ‘laws’.
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The 'Covid Regulations' preceded the Act of Parliament, which is 'Constitutionally Wrong!' - Hence, a lot of cases are not being pursued. However, it does seem that a lot of people simply love being subjugated!
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Not me I said F££k the lockdown as a courier company we could do what we wanted .
So I also put my personal car on the H and R insurance and drove everywhere I wanted
I can't believe we signed up to all that now
Furthermore I have another reason that I despise this whole situation one of my mates died at the age of 57 two nights after his vaccine
That's was not right
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People are in a state of denial about what is in front of them. They honestly believe and (still!) trust that those power-crazed buffoons really cared about people’s lives, and not about keeping the power going for themselves!
Paying people to sit at home on their arses? WTF!
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I’m sorry to hear that Jeremy. Many of these cases aren’t reported - worse than that - they are suppressed. It’s not a good look for the big pharma gang.
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They even tried to pump it into children!
And made those adults who didn’t want it seem like lepers, like they were some kind of threat to others because of not having an injection.
Honestly, what is all that about??
And made those adults who didn’t want it seem like lepers, like they were some kind of threat to others because of not having an injection.
Honestly, what is all that about??
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Perhaps, perhaps that would have caused even greater economic hardship, greater mental illnesses and thicker kids?
The Only argument in favour of doing that is if there was full confidence in a vaccine being found.
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Agreed. Instead, they panicked, knee-jerked and didn’t consider any of the consequences of their actions.
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I saw it (pdf)on someone’s phone but I might have been took in by some fake news, I was tipsy at the time. I don’t follow the news anymore so can’t be more helpful other than say wait and see.
In retrospect, I should have checked the story before commenting, but normally the guy who showed myself has his head screwed on, my bad.
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They were confident of a vaccine and started working on it, produced it and got it out really quickly.
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They blundered, dithered, sent out silly three word slogans (replaced now with STOP THE BOATS), mixed messaging and crashed the economy with their dodgy deals.
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The only blunder was the one mentioned by someone else in this thread. We're and island, they should have locked down faster and more securely.
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They did, but it seems fortunate that they developed a vaccine so quickly. OK, you can argue they were working with a SARS virus and they knew in part what they were up against but the early 00's SARS thing took a lot longer to find a vaccine so it was beno means, shut down and wait for a vaccine.
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Given we know Covid was in the country in November 2019, we are also one of the most high densely populated countries in the world and have some of the busiest transport hubs, we didn't have the luxury.
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We should not have locked down sooner, there is an argument of shutting down London sooner but it was all rather like gritting the roads in Cornwall because snow was forecast in Aviemore.
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You'd have slowed the infection rate, taken the pressure off the hospitals, saved lives, saved multiple illnesses.
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Would we?
Hospitals didn't get to a critical position, we didn't have the issues France, Spain, Italy had so to what end was locking down (quicker, harder etc) going to achieve?
Surely it would simply have made us poorer, worse mental health and a bigger backlog of less critical treatments, later diagnosis of cancers etc.
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Sorry, disagree on that point. If we had stopped infection entering the country and spreading from key points, yes London could have been one of them, then we could have taken the pressure off the NHS.
My son was in London on the early days and caught covid just before we finally decided to lock down. Healthy 31 year old who caught covid, was incubated for months, had catastrophic heart failure as the virus apparently first takes up residency in the lungs, weakens the heart and then causes failure of all internal organs. He was on an ecmo, two impeller pumps and a host of drugs, still is on a host of drugs to keep him alive as he still has severe heart issues and is unlikely to live a long life. They still say the only reason he survived at all was because he was so fit to start with.
All we had to do to save all those people was lock down earlier. Harefield heart hospital after that had to turn patients away because there were so many covid patients coming through the door. Who knows how many covid patients and heart patients died because we didn't lock down soon enough.
The medical team there were run off the feet, nursing staff were at full capacity and they said the virus was so infectious and so devastating they completely locked down the hospital to save the lives of their patients and their own staff. They were so busy that the team looking after my son often phoned me in the evening with an update outside of the normal working hours because they simply didn't have time during the day.
How many more people would have caught it and died for the want of a couple of months inside for the rest of the populous.
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This economy crash, is that part due to the war and high energy prices and part due to a banking system in carnage?
The economy in my Essex town is thriving. New shops have opened on the high street and there's now only two empty shops (one because the owner doesn't want to let it and the other because it belonged to a big chain and there's a problem of them getting out of the lease). Multi nationals such as Greggs and individuals, such as the new fruit and veg shop (and many others) have all opened their doors since the pandemic. We're a one horse town to be sure, but it seems like were looking around for a mate for him to me.
We're renovating our house at the moment and have had trouble getting hold of key skilled workmen. My husband was a roofer and on his forum they say they are really busy, they can't see any turn down of work at all, in fact if anything their work has doubled.
The people putting in our back extension have said they don't have space until next year.
The local hospital, shops, factories, offices and such around here are all putting out notices for staff vacancies.
The accountants we're using are expanding at such a rate they can't employ people fast enough, new mergers, new offices. The consultants working with us are also up to their eyeballs with work and can't take on any more, most of whom are working with Arts or government funded contracts.
All the new builds around and about are selling and really high prices and the housing market seems to be thriving in the area.
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Where do we know covid19 was in the uk by Nov19, all i have seen is various people saying they had or knew people who had or had treated people who had symptoms like Covid in Dec19/Jan20.
As samples are kept in sudden deaths (or even bodies can be exhumed) and can still be tested for presence of covid can you point me at a single official document pointing at provable evidence of a uk infection prior to Jan 1 2020
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You cant walk here from France or any other country (Scotland and Wales accepted), at least not after we had sealed up our side of the tunnel with a few m3 of concrete.
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Well the modelling was ( i have had a conversation with my son about this)
If we had locked down hard and fast we could have stopped it becoming endemic.
As long as you kept R<1 then each person infected <1 person and the outbreak would have died out. We could have locked down hard, opened up after a few weeks with localised lockdowns if any infections got in (via any travel that did take place), this is what NZ did and Aus. They had far fewer days of lockdown due to early isolation. That meant standard medical screening and cancer treatments etc were less impacted
The issue was was dithered and dallied and by the time we started lockdown it was too late to stop it becoming endemic and we were then trying to manage the infection rate to "flatten the curve". Then just as we were sorting it we decided to relax and have eat out to help out which was stupid.
If the plan was to help the economy it didnt as we had to lockdown again - if it was to spread covid further and faster for herd immunity it was marginally succesful
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