Bye bye Boris?
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Rayner is seen as someone who connects with the common man/woman/person - it doesn't matter, the public would decide when it came to the vote either way.
Quite how the average man believes De Pfeffel is just like them, I really don't understand. An American who is believed to have courted Russian oligarchs and spent time on a private yacht owned by Russian interests. Quite the man down the pub huh?
Also, the Rayner story didn't come from her. It was a Conservative investigation that said it was she who told the joke.
I think the whole lot of them should go. The whole of parliament and the lords. Every single one should be removed and replaced with people who represent the average man. Nobody should have connections to global corporations and nobody should be allowed to do 2 jobs while being an MP. If they're not busy enough as an MP??? What's the point in them?
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Yes well, she left school at 16, unqualified and pregnant.
Not the calibur of person I want running the country.
But I don't disagree that politicians should be more reflective of the people they represent. I doubt any of them are struggling to pay their electricity bills.
Judging by what goes around on social media, I wouldn't trust the average man to breathe unless he was told to.
This I agree with.
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How many council seats do people think the Tories will lose, to whom and will it be enough to lose BoJo his job ?
My Guess is c600 (not as bad as the 800 some predict), spread pretty evenly across the country (the only councils they will lose control of will be in metro south east) but with enough votes going to libdem (who always do better in local elections the GE's) that Labour can't claim a resounding victory and thus BoJo will scrape through until his next disaster
My Guess is c600 (not as bad as the 800 some predict), spread pretty evenly across the country (the only councils they will lose control of will be in metro south east) but with enough votes going to libdem (who always do better in local elections the GE's) that Labour can't claim a resounding victory and thus BoJo will scrape through until his next disaster
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Cons to lose c400 seats, Labour does well in London, badly elsewhere, overall small losses, Lib Dems and others to gain seats.
Boris will brush off as usual local election results, Labour will wonder why they didn't do well outside of London and focus more attention on London in the future.
Both parties will say they won.
SNP to win in Scotland.
Boris will brush off as usual local election results, Labour will wonder why they didn't do well outside of London and focus more attention on London in the future.
Both parties will say they won.
SNP to win in Scotland.
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You could be right. It's fairly normal for a governing party to lose seats in mid-terms locals.
But in 2018 Labour gained just 46 councillors, so maybe there will considerably more this time? Will be interesting to see.
I doubt there will be a disaster big enought for Boris to go.
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No, because if nothing else he can point to Barnet, say "turning point, Jews coming back now we have got rid of Corbyn" and that will be enough to save him
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Starmer investigation is back on again, so I presume they'll be calls for him to resign, as with Boris?
www.telegraph.co.uk
"But analysis of key wards suggests Labour's overall support is down by 0.3 percentage points since 2018, when most of the seats up for grabs this time were last contested."
www.bbc.co.uk
Seems like even with the Conservatives trying to destroy themselves, Labour still can't win.
The Greens have picked up nearly as many seats as Labour.
Exclusive: Sir Keir Starmer to be investigated by Durham police over 'beergate'
Durham Constabulary had previously said they did not believe the Labour leader had breached coronavirus rules
www.telegraph.co.uk
"But analysis of key wards suggests Labour's overall support is down by 0.3 percentage points since 2018, when most of the seats up for grabs this time were last contested."
Election results 2022: Boris Johnson admits tough losses for Tories
The Conservatives lose nearly 500 council seats, while the Lib Dems make big gains in southern England.
www.bbc.co.uk
Seems like even with the Conservatives trying to destroy themselves, Labour still can't win.
The Greens have picked up nearly as many seats as Labour.
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Did the posters on here calling for Boris to resign wait until the fines were issued?
So people are innocent until proven guilty unless they are married to the Chancellor?
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I can't speak for others who called for the Prime Minister to resign before he was issued with a FPN, but I suspect it could well have been based on the fact that #10 is his office, the buck stops with him. And people like Allegra Straton mocked the idea of parties, and in her case (as with a few others), duly resigned.
I don't believe any of that applies to the Durham issue, but perhaps you can explain what the case is against Starmer - I'm certainly interested, as if he done wrong, I'll support the calls for him to go.
No idea what this means. She is known to claim non-dom status though, something that should be considered by HMRC, given she lives with her husband in the UK, and with his political career, would (at least once) have expected that could last a while; and her company was, certainly recently, still operating in Russia, which the gov't have discouraged.
Karl Limpert
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Well, Labour also supported the Covid lockdown rules, but even so, I'm not sure why a different rule should apply to the Prime Minister as the Leader of the Opposition.
If you're calling for a certain standard of behaviour from the other side, surely it's incumbent upon you to uphold the same standard of behaviour. Otherwise it's hypocrisy. If I were being uncharitable and hyper-political (i.e. Westminster standards), I would ask of Labour "Can one trust this party to govern when they don't follow the rules that they themselves are calling for others to, and knowingly lied when they confronted with it?". But that would be a statement I'd think was unworthy of British politics.
I also believe Labour stated Rayner was not there, and later admitted she was. Is that not misleading Parliament? Although I don't know if the statement was actually made in Parliament.
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It's not her company, however. She owns less then 1% of its shares.
I'd love to be able to claim BP is my company - I own less than 1% of it!
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There's none so blind as those who will not see
You've made repeated accusations about her tax status and the level of control that she exerts over her father's company, and yet, she has been charged with nothing and you have no proof to back your claims.
When challenged, you list opinions on Twitter as if they are proof.
There are photographs in whichever newspaper you choose of Starmer and Rayner breaking the rules, but now you want the police to fine them before you believe it is true. You don't believe your own eyes.
If you follow the news enough to be aware of the issues with Boris and Sunak, then you are aware of the issues around Starmer in Durham. Why pretend that you are not?
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Call me pedantic, but I believe the reason for different rules being applied is because there were different rules (laws) in place at different times!
If different rules (laws) applied at different times, surely different rules should be applied to the legal tests.
(I gather this is why Johnson hasn't been fined for the gathering in the garden: the law at that time (May 2020, I think it was) was only that you could not be away from your home without good reason. As he wasn't away from his home, he was within the law, while others that were relaxing, socialising, were perhaps deemed not to have a good reason for their activities outside their home.)
Personally, I fully endorse this view. If the rules of the road were that you could drive at 50 miles an hour one day, but the next day there’s a restriction to 40 miles an hour, I wouldn’t expect anyone who previously drove at 50 to be guilty of an offence; and if the rules one day were that you could pause work to eat, while colleagues continue working around you, that should be permitted.
If your wife & interior designer popped in to join the work meeting, that would perhaps be more dubious.
Yes, I believe they did make this dumb mistake. I don’t know that it was stated in parliament, just in media briefings; still a mistake that was promptly corrected, but it was misleading to the public.
Barrister Andrew Wagner is a very knowledgeable resource on the covid regulations, as he analysed & summarised them, what they actually meant (subject of course to an actual court’s interpretation), as they were introduced. (Remember when people were told they weren’t allowed to walk their dogs in areas of natural beauty; or not being allowed to exercise at the same time as a friend, and drink coffee at the same time, socially distanced? He was on top of it all.) Here’s his legal analysis on #BeerGate
Karl Limpert
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If there is evidence that he broke the covid rules he helped set (same with AR) then yes he should resign. Personally I think all MP's who voted for rules they break (whether covid, lieing over speeding or anything else) then if found guilty they should be sacked as an MP - not just asked to resign.
I have yet to see anything other than the single photo of Stamer eating a takeway with a beer in a break in electioneering which was deemed by Durham Plod to be fine, however as they are not reinvestigating due to new evidence I am happy to wait for that evidence to become public - if it is pretty obviously damming evidence (like the Partygate photos and video) then they should go now rather that wait for a formal finding.
If it is actually nothing substantively new but someone sh*tstirring then fine he can wait for the police response- i trust the plod to be pretty impartial on these matters
I have yet to see anything other than the single photo of Stamer eating a takeway with a beer in a break in electioneering which was deemed by Durham Plod to be fine, however as they are not reinvestigating due to new evidence I am happy to wait for that evidence to become public - if it is pretty obviously damming evidence (like the Partygate photos and video) then they should go now rather that wait for a formal finding.
If it is actually nothing substantively new but someone sh*tstirring then fine he can wait for the police response- i trust the plod to be pretty impartial on these matters
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Accusations? I believe it’s acknowledged by the Sunak family that she claims non-dom status. That’s it.
What have I accused her of that is beyond that? Can you link to one of my posts? I've argued that her claim for non-dom should be investigated, nothing more.
I believe I’ve only ever linked to certified accounts of legal opinions on Twitter, not just random opinions.
Strangely enough, I don’t consider myself qualified to make an opinion on the law, let alone to the degree of whether someone was in breach of the various covid regulations.
I read all the broadsheets, and I’ve seen the pictures. I have no idea what they’re meant to prove though, as there’s nothing in there to demonstrate a breach of the regulations. Durham police have said today they have much more information, and I’m sure they could make a more informed decision than I am capable of.
Did I do this? I beg your pardon, Nick. I’m aware that the Daily Mail said a few weeks ago that there’s a war on, arguing against any consideration of fines. And then a few weeks later, the Daily Mail was calling for an investigation, something they repeated in their headline for many of the following days.
I'll repeat for those in the back who may have been snoozing: if Starmer is issued a fine, I believe he should immediately resign too. He's not got the office, the status of Prime Minister, but he is Leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition, and that office should be enough to justify a resignation, if he too is found on balance of having broken the law.
Karl Limpert
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When did he set the rules? Most (if not all) covid regulations were made under Statutory Instrument, under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 - certainly for the first year or more, they weren't discussed or approved by parliament, were made by ministerial fiat.
Karl Limpert
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Well I actually said IF he broke rules he set so if he didnt then not a sacking but still would be a resigning matter if Durham Plod now have evidence that make it clear no normal person would have considered it allowable.
I think politicians should be held to a higher not lower standard than the average man, BoJo has done multiple things I consider he should be sacked for.
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If the "new evidence" that Durham have received is as blindingly obvious as the pictures and video on partygate then Yes resign - if not then No
Can i be clearer ?
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Non Dom status
Hello forum, Until the latest events with Mr. Sunak's wife, I was not aware that something like Non-Dom even exists. I started living in the UK in 2016, (to study) and started my employment (and paying taxes) in 2019. In case I start claiming non dom status, what would be the start year? Is...
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Non Dom status
Some racism, some envious of the rich, some labour supporters, some not understanding the non-dom legalities, some thinking that Sumak's position is a conflict of interest. . . . . . . . Honestly, I think these are just lazy scattergun tropes, not addressing the arguments at all, and I would...
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Non Dom status
Why would we need an excuse to discuss Sunak? You do need an excuse if you want to post a political thread in the accounts and finance forum.
www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk
What is your definition of promptly?
Do you mean as soon as the pictures were released and it became clear that they'd lied?
Or do you mean as soon as it was released and Rayner and Starmer, along with many others knew it was a lie?
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Starmer is under investigation, full stop.
Are there degrees of investigations?
You’re an armchair judge and move the goal posts to suit your argument.
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