I'm not even sure if you really believe that, or you're just trying to convince yourself
What is the difference between a very high end SEO working for a few weeks to increase ongoing revenue, and asking for a cut of that revenue, and a very high end designer creating a brilliant design that converts better, and asking for a similar cut of ongoing money?
I would agree with you provided the site you put up ranks highly and produces substantial income.
A brilliant design will not make you money without the site beeing seen.
P.S do I believe it.?
Yup I live and breath it.
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Esk247
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It makes all the difference being on page one of Google for a high quality product that is in demand. Even if the cart is broken, people will call.
I've witnessed some truly appalling websites rake in a nice weekly amount just because they have that much coveted top spot!
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Depends what the designer negotiates. If he manages that deal then he'll be sweet...
If we all got what we deserve, there'd be a lot of bankrupt bankers out there...
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Oh come on be serious ,anyone with a copy of dreamweaver can knock up a site.
But ain't that many can get that site to No1.
Its the product that makes the dough,provided people see it.
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Esk247
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Oh come on be serious ,anyone with a copy of dreamweaver can knock up a site.
But ain't that many can get that site to No1.
Its the product that makes the dough,provided people see it.
Earl
i know...i was agreeing with you
I said it doesn't matter about the design if you're hidden on page 100 (basically) which is what you said..but you didn't put your specs on to read! eesshhh
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i know...i was agreeing with you
I said it doesn't matter about the design if you're hidden on page 100 (basically) which is what you said..but you didn't put your specs on to read! eesshhh
Ooops sorry bloody specsavers.:|
I meant to reply to Johnny cash's comment.:redface:
"Yes but my point is the designer is adding incremental sales long after he's completed the job. On Earls reasoning, he would also be entitled to be paid an ongoing cut too. If you think the seo deserves it, then its hard to argue that the designer doesn't also surely?"
Earl
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Ali-v-8 said:
No, theaffiliate did not flip what got said. There is no issue with SEOs, as I said the gripe is with SEOs thinking it's justifiable to charge different rates to different clients, with the exception of pro-bono and charity work.
Also commonly referred to as one of the seven deadly sins. Greed. Just because you don't think it's enough, doesn't mean you're doing work which is good enough to deserve it. I refer back to the example earlier in this thread...
Good for you. Hard work though? Hmm..
What have you been reading and testing, Link Buying for Dummies?
Absolutely, good SEOs can charge a premium. That's not the point I'm making. The point is that you've said you are charging different rates (i.e. what can be got away with). The price of a Ferrari is fixed. Sounds like you're the one trying to twist words here.
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I things that you should know I rely on content to get ranking, but I will allow you to continue with your assumption that i did the link building you refer to.
I charge a premium for my service because I have happy clients.
If a "I" am not happy with a client, I drop them, not because of the money but because I have my own rules.
As an affiliate (i assume) you would be more interested in the results as the conversions are what makes you money.
and yes its not hard work... Its smart work.
I feel now i can catagerise you as one of the third party middlemen who are losing money because "nice" SEO people are getting people to page one and making you obsolete. Sorry but not my fault.
I charge a premium for my service because I have happy clients.
If a "I" am not happy with a client, I drop them, not because of the money but because I have my own rules.
As an affiliate (i assume) you would be more interested in the results as the conversions are what makes you money.
and yes its not hard work... Its smart work.
I feel now i can catagerise you as one of the third party middlemen who are losing money because "nice" SEO people are getting people to page one and making you obsolete. Sorry but not my fault.
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Care to share an example of some clean link building you have done in a competitive industry then? If it's competitive already then it won't matter about posting it, because you'll already by higher than others.
That means nothing except that they probably don't know any better.
Of course I'm interested in results, but I'm in it for the long term and enjoy having a good laugh while others are getting penalised from dodgy methods and all mine are still clean and riding high.
Why say it's hard work originally then?
I'll let you continue to think your little categorisation is correct, because you clearly have a lack of knowledge and comprehension of written English.
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Fair enough.
I won't be adding any more discussion to link building in this thread as all people need to do is read through the previous pages. Will turn myself into a stuck record repeating myself to the clueless if not.
For any newbies wanting either a reputable SEO or knowledgeable advice from their posts, I would refer to...
JohnnyCash
OldWelshGuy
RedEvo
...will probably be worth every penny and you shouldn't get ripped off in the process (if they're taking work on)
I won't be adding any more discussion to link building in this thread as all people need to do is read through the previous pages. Will turn myself into a stuck record repeating myself to the clueless if not.
For any newbies wanting either a reputable SEO or knowledgeable advice from their posts, I would refer to...
JohnnyCash
OldWelshGuy
RedEvo
...will probably be worth every penny and you shouldn't get ripped off in the process (if they're taking work on)
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GreatSEO
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- #139
I have spent over an hour reading through this thread alone and have picked up on a number of points which some I agree with and others I don't.
1 - An SEO that does no work and gets paid is wrong - I agree
2 - Fees are different all over the place - Is this not fair based on the fact that most products and service providers base prices on many different factors.
i.e. - I charge for my time and knowledge. Our USP is no contracts, no tie ins and no obligation to carry on. This shows the client transparency and we always show positive changes order by order, meaning that it is tracked and monitored very closely to ensure that client is very happy.
There are different creeds of people that but on many different factors. I have 1 client who is in the debt industry who takes up a week of my month and pay relevant to that time.
I have another client who offers patios in a local area and every now and again he will ring for a new page of content, links etc etc. His costs are a lot less as there is less time involved.
However having said all that every client is gaining a healthy return on investment and so they do not mind paying my fees (which are different to other SEO's)
It is a dog eat dog world and without regulation there are a number of very shady characters within the SEO industry but it is down to the customers due diligence to work this out. Sometimes it takes more time than some may think but there is the same in every other industry.
Locksmiths, plumbers, accountants, solicitors, builders and the list goes on.
To be honest my opinion is a simple yet effective one - If there is a decent return on investment who cares.
Dave
1 - An SEO that does no work and gets paid is wrong - I agree
2 - Fees are different all over the place - Is this not fair based on the fact that most products and service providers base prices on many different factors.
i.e. - I charge for my time and knowledge. Our USP is no contracts, no tie ins and no obligation to carry on. This shows the client transparency and we always show positive changes order by order, meaning that it is tracked and monitored very closely to ensure that client is very happy.
There are different creeds of people that but on many different factors. I have 1 client who is in the debt industry who takes up a week of my month and pay relevant to that time.
I have another client who offers patios in a local area and every now and again he will ring for a new page of content, links etc etc. His costs are a lot less as there is less time involved.
However having said all that every client is gaining a healthy return on investment and so they do not mind paying my fees (which are different to other SEO's)
It is a dog eat dog world and without regulation there are a number of very shady characters within the SEO industry but it is down to the customers due diligence to work this out. Sometimes it takes more time than some may think but there is the same in every other industry.
Locksmiths, plumbers, accountants, solicitors, builders and the list goes on.
To be honest my opinion is a simple yet effective one - If there is a decent return on investment who cares.
Dave
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not unique as no long term contract is how I and many others work as well
Quite how can you trust anyone who wants a contract.
Bit like a marriage with a pre-nuptial,if you need one of them you is marrying the wrong person.IMHO
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Quite how can you trust anyone who wants a contract.
Bit like a marriage with a pre-nuptial,if you need one of them you is marrying the wrong person.IMHO
Earl
Bit of a bold statement.
On the same trail of thought, why bother getting married? After all, it's effectively a contract and if you're with the right person you shouldn't need it in writing.
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Bit of a bold statement.
On the same trail of thought, why bother getting married? After all, it's effectively a contract and if you're with the right person you shouldn't need it in writing.
Bit of an idealistic statement I grant you.
Quite agree marriage is a nonsense.
But one must consider all the legal eagles and others involved in the industry.
Nice little earner.
Earl
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Finally, something TheAffiliate and I agree on...On the same trail of thought, why bother getting married? After all, it's effectively a contract and if you're with the right person you shouldn't need it in writing.
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webbiz
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- #147
I tend towards the approach that you shouldn't bill in terms of hours. Bill for the job. How many hours it takes or doesn't take is your business - and risk.
If you insist in charging in terms of so much per hour, then forget about 25 pounds an hour and all these silly pocket money prices and get real. Unless you are offering a pocket money service.
Does your car mechanic - or lawyer - or accountant charge 25 pounds per hour?
I bet he charges a lot more. If your work is skilled then you should be charging what he charges at the very least.
If you insist in charging in terms of so much per hour, then forget about 25 pounds an hour and all these silly pocket money prices and get real. Unless you are offering a pocket money service.
Does your car mechanic - or lawyer - or accountant charge 25 pounds per hour?
I bet he charges a lot more. If your work is skilled then you should be charging what he charges at the very least.
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No but they're skilled jobs
surely you are not saying that Internet marketing isd not a skilled job? It is harder than Civil engineering I know.
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JohnnyCash
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For people in the minority that are doing it well its a skilled job... for the rest its not.
There is very little skill involved in using Yahoo Site Explorer to trawl through backlinks of competing sites and email them and negotiate getting those links for yourself.
I've got a couple of my writers doing exactly that, and its working very well. So I guess you could call them SEO's, total training time about 3 hours...
There is very little skill involved in using Yahoo Site Explorer to trawl through backlinks of competing sites and email them and negotiate getting those links for yourself.
I've got a couple of my writers doing exactly that, and its working very well. So I guess you could call them SEO's, total training time about 3 hours...
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No but they're skilled jobs
Does your car mechanic - or lawyer - or accountant charge 25 pounds per hour?
Hold on Laddie
One plugs a computer in which tells him what size spanner he needs.
One is a glorified Librarian.
And the other needs a bleeding good calculator or a drop of oil for the old abacus.:|
What do us poor old SEO's plug into.
Earl
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Does your car mechanic - or lawyer - or accountant charge 25 pounds per hour?
Hold on Laddie
One plugs a computer in which tells him what size spanner he needs.
One is a glorified Librarian.
And the other needs a bleeding good calculator or a drop of oil for the old abacus.:|
What do us poor old SEO's plug into.
Earl
You have to plug your electric Zimmer frame into the socket to charge it
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But mainly to ensure spammy links stop working
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