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I, Brian

I, Brian

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Too many attempts to add bells and whistles, lack of proper quality controls, lack of transparency, lack of accountability, and too much reliance on automation as an abrogation of responsibility.

Just reading Google News, this hosted piece came up:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.999426eed38d24123132435f3d303867.af1

Problems:

1. It's about Lebanon in the Middle East, but links to a Google Maps image of Holland

2. For related articles it links to French-language websites from an English publisher

3. Adsense isn't even optimised - wrong position, not integrated

4. URL is absolutely awful - 70 alphanumeric characters just to indicate it's unique string

If I were with AFP, I would think I was being screwed.

As a Google user I increasingly feel laughed at.

Still, at least no "live twitter" spam feeds on the page!
 
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hi smart,

you seem like a decent chap,

ill drop you an email explaining all the points brian made and why google did what it did

im not saying im going to tell you stuff which will get you top rankings websites

but hopefully you might be able to increase your understanding in how google works and use that understanding to plan seo

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What is the reason?
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fair enuff, your loss

if you know what google have done what brian pointed out why did you ask why they did it
 
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i joined this site to maybe learn a few things and hopefully maybe give some positive input myself on a few things

which i have tried to do

now personally i see this as technical knowledge if everyone knows about it then its kind of useless to have as a skill as people can then just seo themselves because they will learn how google works and understand how to do seo without any professional advice

and thats why i offered to email to you if you were interested

ive seen some people charge £400 - 900 to teach this stuff for a days course
 
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You keep saying about how people don't understand how Google works. I only asked why Google did what they did but you don't seem very keen to answer?

The same as the thread about the link farms.

Everybody was wondering why they did it, you said you knew. That is all..
 
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what i wrote about the links, it was to help someone new in business to seo and i gave them enough info to do what they needed to do

i didnt write it for the experienced people in seo because i would have thought they knew what i was talking about

im not here to teach and explain to people stuff they are experts at in their own field

it was aimed at people with little experience of seo who could use it for their website

i think the real problem im having here is that my background to web design and seo is academic i dont see seo from someone who has worked in an seo company or maybe spent time reading articles or books on seo

i look at seo from the ground up how it works with the www what is going on with google how google works how google is looking at things

i look at the data structures and dynamics of what google is actually doing and i think that is where alot of the problem is, my approach is different

like with what brian said in the op he missed what was actually happening on that web page

Smarter Webdesign said:
You keep saying about how people don't understand how Google works. I only asked why Google did what they did but you don't seem very keen to answer?

The same as the thread about the link farms.

Everybody was wondering why they did it, you said you knew. That is all..
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fz04 said:
now personally i see this as technical knowledge if everyone knows about it then its kind of useless to have as a skill as people can then just seo themselves because they will learn how google works and understand how to do seo without any professional advice

and thats why i offered to email to you if you were interested

ive seen some people charge £400 - 900 to teach this stuff for a days course
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I normally charge £150 per hour. On your theories fz04, at 1064 posts, an average 2.02 of posts per day, I guess the users of UKBF that read my posts owe me a fair amount of money :D. Either that, or I appreciate a forum for what it is intended to be!

I do appreciate my knowledge on employment law is completely useless too, as all the information any employer needs can be found at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/, but for some reason :|, people still like to outsource certain work rather than try to understand how to do this without professional advice - I'm paid to help employers understand what these laws are, rather than simply tell them what they are. That advice is not kind of useless to my clients (or users of this forum) that save thousands in employment tribunal claims!





Karl Limpert
 
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fz04 said:
what i wrote about the links, it was to help someone new in business to seo and i gave them enough info to do what they needed to do

i didnt write it for the experienced people in seo because i would have thought they knew what i was talking about

im not here to teach and explain to people stuff they are experts at in their own field

it was aimed at people with little experience of seo who could use it for their website

i think the real problem im having here is that my background to web design and seo is academic i dont see seo from someone who has worked in an seo company or maybe spent time reading articles or books on seo

i look at seo from the ground up how it works with the www what is going on with google how google works how google is looking at things

i look at the data structures and dynamics of what google is actually doing and i think that is where alot of the problem is, my approach is different

like with what brian said in the op he missed what was actually happening on that web page
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I don't think anybody can actually say they know how google works fully can they?

I was only trying to ask why they do what they do in the link Brian gave as I am sure everybody is keen to know.

You say you have only ever actually SEO'd one site though.
 
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ive helped alot of people in many posts such as this one here

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=1487435#post1487435

the original advice i gave was helpful

however some of the seo experts disagreed

and they wanted explanations to why i said what i did

as a professional person would you tell your competitors stuff only you knew and they didnt

personally i think in business we dont have to share such information

you can always help people without helping your competitors

anyway thats enough for me, i dont think ill be posting here again

but i will definately be using the site it has many good and helpful posts by alot of people who have given their free time to help others

Employment Law Clinic said:
I normally charge £150 per hour. On your theories fz04, at 1064 posts, an average 2.02 of posts per day, I guess the users of UKBF that read my posts owe me a fair amount of money :D. Either that, or I appreciate a forum for what it is intended to be!

I do appreciate my knowledge on employment law is completely useless too, as all the information any employer needs can be found at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/, but for some reason :|, people still like to outsource certain work rather than try to understand how to do this without professional advice - I'm paid to help employers understand what these laws are, rather than simply tell them what they are. That advice is not kind of useless to my clients (or users of this forum) that save thousands in employment tribunal claims!





Karl Limpert
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fz04 said:
ive helped alot of people in many posts such as this one here

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=1487435#post1487435

the original advice i gave was helpful

however some of the seo experts disagreed

and they wanted explanations to why i said what i did

as a professional person would you tell your competitors stuff only you knew and they didnt

personally i think in business we dont have to share such information

you can always help people without helping your competitors

anyway thats enough for me, i dont think ill be posting here again

but i will definately be using the site it has many good and helpful posts by alot of people who have given their free time to help others
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It is not really sharing that much though is it? It would be like me posting in a thread on here where somebody has said "How can I do this in Dreamweaver?" or "How can I do this in Wordpress" just saying "I know how to do it, but I won't tell you" which is a bit silly. I just wouldn't post in the first place.

I have just read that thread, fair play you gave some really good advice but I can't see any SEO experts in there?

When people share advice it is not really giving away your secrets, people share experience and knowledge as that is what it is about. If somebody has tried a method then they will give their input. They don't say "I got this site to number 1, this is exactly how I did it, this was the keyword, this is where I found backlinks"
 
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im going to stay out of this seo section, too many chiefs

and stick to international business as its what i know best

so if anybody here needs help on international trade ask away

Smarter Webdesign said:
It is not really sharing that much though is it? It would be like me posting in a thread on here where somebody has said "How can I do this in Dreamweaver?" or "How can I do this in Wordpress" just saying "I know how to do it, but I won't tell you" which is a bit silly. I just wouldn't post in the first place.

I have just read that thread, fair play you gave some really good advice but I can't see any SEO experts in there?

When people share advice it is not really giving away your secrets, people share experience and knowledge as that is what it is about. If somebody has tried a method then they will give their input. They don't say "I got this site to number 1, this is exactly how I did it, this was the keyword, this is where I found backlinks"
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fz04 said:
as a professional person would you tell your competitors stuff only you knew and they didnt

personally i think in business we dont have to share such information

you can always help people without helping your competitors
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No, I would never do that... except perhaps when my site offers (without any registration)



You can help many people (or small businesses) easily, and if it costs me little or nothing in the long-term (but nonetheless brings in visitors/enquiries/customers or establishes my knowledge in my field - something you could do, or if search on other forum members, if you looked into Brian's or OWG's posts, you would find they have done), personally I'm happy to provide the advice.

Neither I nor any member on here has to share their knowledge, but if none of us did this forum (and others too) would be rather boring places to visit.



Karl Limpert
 
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I forgot to mention that I'm subscribed to:


I don't think anyone has to share such information, but it does help when they do! (Publicly that is, not via PMs)

As part of your international trade advice you're offering fs04, do you know anything about employment law contracts in Asia? If so, I know someone that could do with your help (but for my benefit, I would welcome some information on the public part of this forum).



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i didnt know you could spam keyword related url's like that

i think your ranking is going to go number 1 very quickly with such tactics

well done!

you have not even understood the context of my post

it is good to help people i think every single post i made prior to jumping in this seo section was in response to someone who needed help

and now i am going to avoid the seo section


Employment Law Clinic said:
No, I would never do that... except perhaps when my site offers (without any registration)

You can help many people (or small businesses) easily, and if it costs me little or nothing in the long-term (but nonetheless brings in visitors/enquiries/customers or establishes my knowledge in my field - something you could do, or if search on other forum members, if you looked into Brian's or OWG's posts, you would find they have done), personally I'm happy to provide the advice.

Neither I nor any member on here has to share their knowledge, but if none of us did this forum (and others too) would be rather boring places to visit.



Karl Limpert
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fz04 said:
i didnt know you could spam keyword related url's like that

i think your ranking is going to go number 1 very quickly with such tactics

well done!

you have not even understood the context of my post

it is good to help people i think every single post i made prior to jumping in this seo section was in response to someone who needed help

and now i am going to avoid the seo section as there are too many chiefs in here
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You still have not told us why google have set that page out the way they have,...

To me it just looks like an automated semantic page layout gone wrong?
 
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I wonder how many searches "interactive disciplinary flowchart that describes each stage of a disciplinary" gets every month.

You haven't actually helped, you just say it is because everybody else doesn't know how Google works.
 
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i dont know if your being sarcastic

but on another note

from an seo perspective i think it might be better to change the link in your signature to employment law solicitors and legal advice

Employment Law Clinic said:
I doubt it, but thank you for informing the UKBF community on your SEO knowledge!



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fz04 said:
now personally i see this as technical knowledge if everyone knows about it then its kind of useless to have as a skill as people can then just seo themselves because they will learn how google works and understand how to do seo without any professional advice

and thats why i offered to email to you if you were interested

ive seen some people charge £400 - 900 to teach this stuff for a days course
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Ahh, you know the secrets to SEO, the magic bullet, the holy grail.
I look for you all my life.
Did you know i,m a beautiful 18yr old busty virgin and i want to have your children.
Forget SmarterWeb, care to send me a PM on how Google works
 
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I wonder how many searches "interactive disciplinary flowchart that describes each stage of a disciplinary" gets every month.
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I think ELC is near the top for "disciplinary flowchart" (not too many search for this, but the page attracts a few visitors every day that I hope assists employers), although I've not found anything in analytics to suggest I get many (any) visitors searching for "interactive disciplinary flowchart that describes each stage of a disciplinary", so hoping the anchor text will improve ratings for that longtail! :p

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from an seo perspective i think it might be better to change the link in your signature to employment law solicitors and legal advice
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Thank you for that fz04. Unfortunately, the Ministry of Justice (who I am registered with) wouldn’t be happy if I suggested I was a solicitor. I may amend my signature one of these days, but as I’m not a solicitor, I won’t be including that phrase in my signatures.

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i couldnt care less about seo
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Nor could I – I only care about getting customers that will pay for my services, or providing advice to small businesses that might benefit from my knowledge. At the moment, I manage to achieve both.



We still don’t know why Google done the things that Brian opened the thread on, so that secret remains with you fz04!



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i couldnt care less about seo i just know about it as a result of my academic background
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This is where I'm confused, in one post you said:

and could you please provide a copy of google algorithm, i think i could make a bit of money selling that

and in another post you said:

about the algorithm one of the core modules of my studies in computer science was

"data structures and algorithms"

so i have done some research to understand what is going on in a search engine to understand their indexing and pattern searching methods

They seem to contradict each other...

However back to your initial point that you knew why Google is doing what it is. If you spend some time on this forum you will realise that many people (not only in SEO) spend a lot of time providing detailed explanations. They do not hide behind a 'send me a PM' message. If you know something then why not share it.
 
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Hi Brian,

This did bring a smile; one of our development guys here mentioned about google chrome and suggested google are trying to be too diverse as opposed to sticking to the basics of what they have.

I think the reason (as SWD asked) is lack of control and error checking; I am sure they did not mean for links to not work etc. - just holes in the system :)

Marketing Quotes Support.
 
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Google controls the world. If it's not them it would be bing. Would you prefer microsoft control the web? Someone has to.
 
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Google providing poor results?

A quote from The Anatomy of a Search Engine by Brin and Page.

"Furthermore, advertising income often provides an incentive to provide poor quality search results."

How very far sighted..
 
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