Why Why Why?? give them chance!!

[simplesimon86]

something is annoying me im sorry to vent my frustration here!

There are many young people on this forum advertising themselves for employment.

Now i for one, applaud this innovative approach for employment - instead of them joining the queue to sign on.

Am i the only one to congratulate these hungry individuals for trying something different? It seems thats the case.

Surely this shows that not all young people are waiting for someone to find them, knock on their door and offer a job, which is what i believe many young people are waiting for.

Now this handful of youngsters are showing a willing to get themselves out there, yet they seem to just recieve nothing but criticism for minor spelling mistakes..................come on now!!

can you not see past the simple mistakes and see the sheer determination these people have to gain employment.

no wonder unemployment is so high, if these people are responsible for the employment of people.

give these guys a break, they are at the very least.....trying.

 

[VanillaL]

My son will soon be joining these guys in looking for gainful employment and I hope he will be an innovative as some of them on here.

 

[the Chocolate]

The worst thing about this forum you always have people criticizing for little or no reason, my view as in society is that some people don't like to see other people do well and just like to moan in general,pulling people up for every little thing.They know who they are....

 

[vvaannmmaann]

What's even worse is those chocolate companies forgetting to send out samples.

 

[maxine]

I absolutely agree with applauding youngsters using a bit of gumption and innovation to find employment... they would certainly be the kind of people I would look to employ rather than the entitled-to lot that really irritate me

What can be difficult is when young people, or any aged people actually, who are new to business try to blag it with consequences of being rip off merchants. Usually because they haven't given much effort to thinking through their business plans. Unfortunately these types don't get much sympathy or support on this forum when that happens.

The other thing really when taking pot shots at youngsters looking for work on here is that comments can be taken to heart a lot more than if they were aimed at someone experienced and used to taking the flak.

Snidey comments go a long way to damaging peoples confidence and a bit more support and encouragement is always much nicer to see and reflects better on the individual members here

 

[JDX_John]

People looking for work is to be commended. But they need to learn that presentation, down to using correct spelling and grammar, goes a long way to how they are perceived. That comes under advice in my book... the critical responses they get show them how important this is in the real world, regardless whether it should be important or not.

 

[simplesimon86]

I agree John, however there are ways to advise rather than disgruntle thier enthusiasm.

 

[MorrisChesterfield]

hi,

Has there been a recent thread i have missed about this issue?

or is it just in general, a few people gives young people a chance?

ben

 

[the Chocolate]

What's even worse is those chocolate companies forgetting to send out samples.

Worth a try!

 

The worst thing about this forum you always have people criticizing for little or no reason, my view as in society is that some people don't like to see other people do well and just like to moan in general,pulling people up for every little thing.They know who they are....

Oh come on without moaning the silence would be deafening.

Earl

 

[mailboxexpress]

I really do agree with you on the subject of unemployment and youngster digging their heels into the dirt!

I love to see young people putting them selves out there, a lot of my friends have finished university and are now either back in the same job they were doing 4 years ago or unemployed.

If you don’t take risk and opportunities you will never be rewarded in life!

 

[JDX_John]

I suppose the only bad thing would be if UKBF became deluged with people asking for jobs. It's nice to see a few motivated people thinking outside the box, and especially awesome when we see young people getting stuck in and starting their own business.

We don't have a sub-forum for job offers/seeking, do we? Maybe we should.

 

[simplesimon86]

and john i hate to agree, but your right maybe their should be a sub forum.

 

[Tin]

Some personal comments have been removed from this thread.

Please keep the debate about the subject and not the person.

Ray

 

[Banned]

Are these people really going the extra mile to find a job, or just being lazy and hoping one will turn up whilst sitting behind a computer?

Would you be more likely to give an interview to someone who posted on a forum in blind hope, or the person who walks into your business with a knowledge of your company and a non cloned cv?

Na, asking for a job on a forum is cop-out.

 

[curtishome102]

Hi,

I am one of these youngsters on here looking for work, I would just like to say thanks to all of you who are standing up for people.

However, I agree that these people should be told when they are incorrect, not in a horrible way, just in a good but it could be better kind of way.

I also think a job board would be a fantastic addition, however it has to be kept quite, purely because it will be abused by other businesses looking to advertise roles for free. Maybe it should be kept for business owners and job hunters only.

 

[the Chocolate]

Constructed criticism is one thing and personal attacks another,that's what it sometimes descends to on here.

 

[Henry Osadzinski]

Just wanted to drop in on this thread and let people know that we're looking into the points raised and if there are any solutions we can offer to help both improve the experience for younger / work-seeking users and also protect the areas of the site that are reserved for other topics If you have any suggestions or queries, feel free to add them here or get in touch via PM / email.

 

[internetspaceships]

Thought I'd better chip in here because I'm one of the main guys who picks up on spelling mistakes.

For the record I DO think it's great that youngsters put themselves around and look for work. There are plenty of threads on here where both others and myself have actually offered to help too. Free of charge and with no obligation.

Speaking as an actual employer, like it or not many many people do put a lot of store in how someone presents themselves.

Very often the first impression of a person IS how they present themselves in writing. If someone comes across as articulate and literate they are still more likely to get to that next level that someone who doesn't.

Poor spelling where there is even a spell checker is a sign of laziness and or a slap dash attitude. Neither of which any employer would really want in their staff.

So, whilst we're here arguing the toss over whether it's right or wrong to step on someone for their spelling it's worth bearing in mind that the way our companies are portrayed to potential clients IS normally the written word.

Apologies if people want to go all PC on this one but I actually think that youngsters should be encouraged to show themselves in their best light, and not be patted on the back for sloppiness.

 

[Psl]

I applaud the young'uns posting on here trying to get a job.
I would like to suggest that they also get involved in threads or ask questions if they don't understand any advice being given in any thread.Plus it will also do them good being on here as it will thicken up their skin taken all the grumpy posts they will have to endure

 

[Banned]

Plus it will also do them good being on here as it will thicken up their skin taken all the grumpy posts they will have to endure

That's actually a good point, a dose of the real world rather than the namby pamby school system we have now.

And if you can't spell it don't write it or use one of the free spellcheckiers thet will chick you spilling as you type on a forim.

 

[curtishome102]

I applaud the young'uns posting on here trying to get a job.
I would like to suggest that they also get involved in threads or ask questions if they don't understand any advice being given in any thread.Plus it will also do them good being on here as it will thicken up their skin taken all the grumpy posts they will have to endure

I agree that if you are going to say anything it should be contructive, however I have been posting a bit over the last few days, and have not had anything like that as yet.

 

[Psl]

however I have been posting a bit over the last few days, and have not had anything like that as yet.

Don't worry 'they' probably have you in their sights right now

 

[crphillips]

Thought I'd better chip in here because I'm one of the main guys who picks up on spelling mistakes.

For the record I DO think it's great that youngsters put themselves around and look for work. There are plenty of threads on here where both others and myself have actually offered to help too. Free of charge and with no obligation.

Speaking as an actual employer, like it or not many many people do put a lot of store in how someone presents themselves.

Very often the first impression of a person IS how they present themselves in writing. If someone comes across as articulate and literate they are still more likely to get to that next level that someone who doesn't.

Poor spelling where there is even a spell checker is a sign of laziness and or a slap dash attitude. Neither of which any employer would really want in their staff.

So, whilst we're here arguing the toss over whether it's right or wrong to step on someone for their spelling it's worth bearing in mind that the way our companies are portrayed to potential clients IS normally the written word.

Apologies if people want to go all PC on this one but I actually think that youngsters should be encouraged to show themselves in their best light, and not be patted on the back for sloppiness.

You made a mistake. You are lazy and sloppy

 

[Psl]

That's actually a good point, a dose of the real world rather than the namby pamby school system we have now.

And if you can't spell it don't write it or use one of the free spellcheckiers thet will chick you spilling as you type on a forim.

Your quit rite about the spelchecky fings, tehy work wunders

 

[curtishome102]

Don't worry 'they' probably have you in their sights right now

Well I do enjoy a good argument

 

[Banned]

Well I do enjoy a good argument

Liar, that's not what I've heard.

 

[internetspaceships]

You made a mistake. You are lazy and sloppy

I did, didn't I? I can take that on the chin, but if the best reply you can offer is that, then it's a pretty poor show.

 

[curtishome102]

Liar, that's not what I've heard.

Lol then you definately need to get new sources

 

[maxine]

I agree that spelling is important but there is no need to be stroppy or rude about it

 

[Apprentice Guru]

Are these people really going the extra mile to find a job, or just being lazy and hoping one will turn up whilst sitting behind a computer?

Would you be more likely to give an interview to someone who posted on a forum in blind hope, or the person who walks into your business with a knowledge of your company and a non cloned cv?

Na, asking for a job on a forum is cop-out.

It would only be a cop out if it's the only job search they're doing. If it's one action of many they are undertaking, what's wrong with that?

I admit that it's unlikely to produce a positive outcome, but you never know.

In fact, for all you know the person you've castigated has spent the best part of today doorknocking in the freezing cold, not had the best of luck in speaking to decision makers, arrived home to see if the post they left this morning has done the trick only to find your response....

 

[internetspaceships]

It would only be a cop out if it's the only job search they're doing. If it's one action of many they are undertaking, what's wrong with that?

I admit that it's unlikely to produce a positive outcome, but you never know.

In fact, for all you know the person you've castigated has spent the best part of today doorknocking in the freezing cold, not had the best of luck in speaking to decision makers, arrived home to see if the post they left this morning has done the trick only to find your response....

Mabe they had. Maybe it was another kick in the nuts after a ***** of a day. Like it or not life is exactly like that.

If you look at the well publicised success stories that people quote on here, take a look at the adversity most of them went through. The rejection, the pain.

Getting on in life comes with a price. If you don't want to pay it then don't start out on that path in the first place.

Whilst I'm not completely sure that this thread is actually aimed at me I would say that I actually value the blunt talk that I received when I was starting out. I certainly didn't like some of it but a lot of it was actually right regardless of how I felt. More importantly in hindsight it helped.

Molly coddling and blowing smoke up peoples' butts doesn't do those people any good in the long run.

You either start with high standards or you don't. Those with high standards of communication tend to get further than those who don't.

Why? Because communication is the key to how a business operates and grows. It's the key factor to developing and maintaining relationships.

 

[Apprentice Guru]

Mabe they had. Maybe it was another kick in the nuts after a ***** of a day. Like it or not life is exactly like that.

If you look at the well publicised success stories that people quote on here, take a look at the adversity most of them went through. The rejection, the pain.

Getting on in life comes with a price. If you don't want to pay it then don't start out on that path in the first place.

Whilst I'm not completely sure that this thread is actually aimed at me I would say that I actually value the blunt talk that I received when I was starting out. I certainly didn't like some of it but a lot of it was actually right regardless of how I felt. More importantly in hindsight it helped.

Molly coddling and blowing smoke up peoples' butts doesn't do those people any good in the long run.

You either start with high standards or you don't. Those with high standards of communication tend to get further than those who don't.

Why? Because communication is the key to how a business operates and grows. It's the key factor to developing and maintaining relationships.

I guess that pretty much spells out your message....

 

[internetspaceships]

Is that the wrong way to start?

Damn it's late yes I missed a letter. Serious apologies. (Note the apology not excuse for the mistake.)

As I said before though can you actually come back with something better than that? Is that really the best you can come up with in answer to my points?

Are you that limited?

 

[RickieSee]

If you're young like myself and have no ties, you'd be stupid not to leave this country and go to Australia. It's only going to get worse here.

 

[crphillips]

I did, didn't I? I can take that on the chin, but if the best reply you can offer is that, then it's a pretty poor show.

Add lack of sense of humour to lazy and sloppy. Only winding you up. Had a few beers too

I think the main thing is that you can tell someone who made a spelling mistake from someone who is illiterate. Trying to find a job through a business forum is a good idea. It's not genius but it's better than doing nothing. Obviously coming on here and coming accross as illiterate is not good and I can understand whey people get pulled up for it. I wouldn't employ someone who can't write.

The odd mistake should be ignored though.

 

[Consistency]

Why should they be given a chance? Why should they not be given a chance?

This has come about as one particular section of society such as women, disabled, elderly have wanted to be given that extra chance. Now they have been given that extra chance and it has done full circle and back on the young.

It is difficult for anyone to get a job now and with CVs being so fake and not worth the paper they are written on and reerences being of equal low value, it is not easy for anyone.

I think we should just be able to employ who can do the job and be able to dismiss them if they can't without being penalised, whether they are women, pregnant, disabled, length of unemployment etc etc. I think more people would get a chance then.

What does not help younger ones is the price of car insurance.

Instead of the government giving incentives that are given when it has all worked out, I think they should remove penalties for when it does not work out.

 

[internetspaceships]

Rotten swine lol

That's not fair *spits dummy out and sulks in the corner*

That was at CR btw Connie!

 

[Montaigne]

I think we should just be able to employ who can do the job and be able to dismiss them if they can't without being penalised, whether they are women, pregnant, disabled, length of unemployment etc etc. I think more people would get a chance then.

Whilst we're at it why don't we get rid of all that pesky employment law; get the kids back up the chimneys and down the pits, bring back workhouses and debtors prisons, times were good for employers when we had all this in place

 

[Consistency]

Whenever we businesses want to stand up for ourselves, the old one comes out - lets get the kids up the chimneys!!!!!!

There are not that many chimneys now anyway.