Why Why Why?? give them chance!!

[internetspaceships]

Monty that's not fair mate.

I look after my staff. I really do. I play fair with them, pay them well, and when they need help I give it.

Most are also on training courses to give them qualifications that are relevant and useful in their careers.

So what's wrong exactly with asking that they have high standards?

 

[internetspaceships]

Anyway. For all the people who think that us "spelling n*zis" are old fashioned bigots who should get modern.

Have a look at this thread and particularly the first post and tell me HONESTLY what you'd think if you received this kind of introduction to a company's services.

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=1845217#post1845217

 

[Montaigne]

Monty that's not fair mate.

I look after my staff. I really do. I play fair with them, pay them well, and when they need help I give it.

Most are also on training courses to give them qualifications that are relevant and useful in their careers.

So what's wrong exactly with asking that they have high standards?

???????????????

I didn't say you didn't. I just thought that Consistency's comment about employers being able to hire and fire at will was a bit of a cavalier attitude and was responding to that.

I get that employers sometimes feel that they're swamped in bureaucracy and the law is always on the side of the employee but 99% of the problems I see on this forum, from employers or where employees have problems with employers, is that the employers are ignoring the law/not following proper procedure.

The first task is to hire the relevantly qualified staff in the first place. The interview process is your first line of defence to only hire capable staff. Of course it's possible to perform awesomely in interviews but be rubbish in a role which is why there's a three month probationary period. If a person can't do their job effectively you really should be able to spot it in the first 3 months and you kick them into touch then.

If their inability doesn't manifest until after the 3 months then you have the disciplinary procedure (if you have already exhausted or choose not to follow the training route) which is a clearly delineated process of how to remove an under-performing member of staff.

If you don't follow any of this then it's a fault with your (people in general, I'm not aiming this at anybody) management ability. Blaming red tape for stifling your business because you can't basically hide your mistakes/laziness by simple sacking someone is ridiculous.

Of course I realise that it is never as simple a situation in the real world as I have outlined above but it's still a pretty simple process to follow.

Employment protection is a good thing as it protects employees who otherwise would have no power whatsoever and it's something that is needed. The reason we have so much of it is because leaving the business community to self regulate through moderating their own behaviour doesn't work, in the same way that de-regulating financial institutions because they promise to behave and not take stupid risks also doesn't work.

ACAS says that 95% of all grievance procedures fail in the work place. I don't believe that 95% of complaints from employees are spurious and I'm guessing that 95% of industrial tribunals do not fail either, but is it surprising that when an employee raises a formal criticism of their company and this grievance is heard by the company who is potentially at fault it comes back rejected 95% of the time? The responses from members on here whenever an employee makes a complaint about an employer on here generally follow the "you should be lucky you have a job, I would have sacked you straight away" line

Now Internet, I completely agree with having high standards. I'm exactly the same. I won't use people or indeed websites if they can't spell; I'm really picky like that and I kick myself when I occasionally send quotes to people with a spelling mistake. I even spell out difficult or foreign names phonetically at the side of the actual name as I think that it's vitally important to both spell and pronounce a person's name correctly generally, but especially in business.

This is why I suppose I take this attitude with employees/employment law etc. I wish to ensure that I do everything correctly (as well as fundamentally believing that if you treat people fairly and as much as you can ensure their happiness then this also ensures you have a productive workforce).

 

[Employment Law Clinic]

I think we should just be able to employ who can do the job and be able to dismiss them if they can't without being penalised, whether they are women, pregnant, disabled, length of unemployment etc etc. I think more people would get a chance then.

You can do all that Connie, so perhaps the biggest barrier to employment is your misunderstanding of employment law .



Karl Limpert

 

[vvaannmmaann]

This guy will be looking for work soon.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3990329/200000-exec-axed-after-telling-jobseeker-off.html

 

[Arhob1]

JDX John is right. Spelling and punctuation are important in presenting a good first impression.

If someone sends me a CV with poor spelling then sorry tough that applicant gets no further. In my business I need to be able to trust people to set and maintain high standards; spelling is just one small part of this.

In fact I'd go a step further... poor spelling and text speak in CVs or general correspondence is a symptom of the general dumbing down I see every where and which should be DISCOURAGED NOT EXCUSED as the OP is doing here.

I deal with several foreign companies whose staff use English as a second language and their command of the language frequently puts many English people to shame. They have extremely high standards in all that they do and I expect they seek to maintain and drive those standards UP not excuse poor standards as the OP does here.

I have learnt the hard way that to be successful in business you have to have high standards in every thing you do and not just accept shoddiness.

 

[Montaigne]

In fact I'd go a step further... poor spelling and text speak in CVs or general correspondence is a symptom of the general dumbing down I see every where and which should be DISCOURAGED NOT EXCUSED as the OP is doing here.

But this just makes good business sense too. If you have 100 C.V.'s to choose from and one position to fill you can afford to be picky. Got 20 applicants you're interested in but only going to interview 5? Then get rid of the ones that cannot spell.

 

[InPrintImaging]

The best one I ever had was a cv sent to me on spec asking for a secretary job. Nothing against that, shows initiative, but just one problem. They put the wrong postage on it, and I had to pay at the post office to recieve the thing (I didn't know what it was before opening it). Amazingly, this individual claimed to have "good attention to detail".

 

[Montaigne]

I saw a C.V. for a sales job with the candidate saying that they really liked to work in a highly pressurised environment.

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

Add lack of sense of humour to lazy and sloppy. Only winding you up. Had a few beers too

I think the main thing is that you can tell someone who made a spelling mistake from someone who is illiterate. Trying to find a job through a business forum is a good idea. It's not genius but it's better than doing nothing. Obviously coming on here and coming accross as illiterate is not good and I can understand whey people get pulled up for it. I wouldn't employ someone who can't write.

The odd mistake should be ignored though.

Ignored.

Just thought I'd jump in and give my uptake on this thread.

I am all for younger folk getting off their backsides and doing something about getting a job, however over the last 2 years or so, I have found that through no fault of their own, some of our younger generation for some unknown reason believe that they are "owed" a job, rather than earning one.

We have gone through 5 apprentices whom all but one believed that general cleaning duties were below them, one even informed me that they would wait until I had finished preparing quotes so that I could help him wash pots and vac up... Now, don't get me wrong here... I am the kind of Manager who jumps in and does everything and anything when and where needed, even cleaning the toilets after some dirty git hadn't flushed properly... but as far as I can remember, if a Manager asked me to do something, I did it.

My Director considers me as a "hard task Manger" I like to keep working, I am always giving my staff something something to do rather than have them sitting around doing nothing while I worked, however we always had one very simple rule... if there was absolutely nothing to do for anyone, we could sit down and pick locks... Fun Fun Fun! It is learning while on the job, yet you were hardly moving about... I always considered that a bit of a bonus for an apprentice, nothing to moan about et cetera... how wrong was I!

I'm not categorising every young person out there, but I honestly believe for the last 20 years or so, kids have been taught totally wrong. There is literately no more disipline in schools anymore, I mean how many of us over 30 remember getting a slap, a chalk board rubber or a ruler on the back of the hand for doing something we shouldn't have done at school... how many of us out there can remember being totally balled at for messing up orders in our new jobs, how many of us can remember our first ever job and what it entailed, some if not majority will mention picking up a sweeping brush during their early professional years.

I knew one lad who trained as a Mechanic, if ever someone did anything wrong in the garage he worked at, everyone ducked, because they knew that a spanner was coming!

With regards to the original OP's post and some of the replies...

I personally believe that by allowing people to use spell checkers can hide the fact that they're not willing to learn, whether its literacy, Mathematics, English, Locksmithing, IT... no offence, but anyone can do spell check, but to really understand the complicity of our wonderful language, and how we use some of the most obsurd words ever in the whole world... Big difference isn't it?

I want to see if people understand the company, and are willing to learn throughout their stay with the company, they can develop their personal skills such as literacy from people that have had the steep climb to the top... I hope you know what I mean there...

Put it this way... The company that I work for is primarily a locksmiths, we also provide CCTV, Access Control, anything you can think of for Security, but nowhere and I mean nowhere do we advertise as man-guards or security guards... Yet at least once a week we get the following call

"Hi, my name is [insert name] I have my SIA certificate and I was wondering if you had any jobs going, I have my own car and I am able to work any night or any day"

These people have clearly not invested any time whatsoever in checking out the company and what we do as a company, they've seen one word "security" and assumed that they are the man/woman for the job.

It takes a few minutes to use spellchecker and google but it can take a life-time to learn your role within a specific company.

I believe that by giving people the time to prove their worth is far better than wanting the best from the very get go would be more of a benefit to any company, rather than having someone walking in thinking they know everything and anything and creating havoc.

You can't mould porcelain but you can mould the clay it came from.

 

[Montaigne]

I personally believe that by allowing people to use spell checkers it can hide the fact that they're not willing to learn, whether its literacy, Mathematics, English, Locksmithing or IT. No offence, but anyone can do a spell check, but to really understand the complicity of our wonderful language, and how we use some of the most obsurd words ever in the whole world is of vital importance. Big difference isn't it?

I love people doing this. Errors in bold I think you meant complexity rather than complicity and it's absurd, not obsurd. Finally, you needed an end to your last sentence as it didn't make sense.

You made all those mistakes and you had access to a spell-checker.

 

[Montaigne]

How many times did I read my last post to check I didn't make any mistakes either? lol

I think mistakes on forums are forgiveable as they're not seen as vitally important. Mistakes on C.V.'s on the other hand are unacceptable as this should be your first impression to a prospective employer. I also don't think that business letters/emails should have errors in them and that is a much to do with remembering when to use Yours sincerely or Yours faithfully at the bottom of a letter as using the correct spelling and punctuation in the body of the text.

I accept that not everybody is good at spelling and punctuation but I expect people to have good communication skills, both written and verbal when they put this on their C.V.

When in work, if you know that you're not very good at spelling, then employ somebody who you know is more capable. Don't get the most illiterate person to write all your letter templates for instance and then force your entire sales team to use these templates (true story ).

 

[Montaigne]

My Director considers me as a "hard task Manger"

Sorry but that is just funny

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

Considering it was 2.06am I'm surprised I got so much out...

If you wish to make petty remarks towards anyone about spelling or grammar then you're more of a fool than any of those young ones trying their best to get somewhere in life, you've obviously got far too much time on your hands if you think that a few spelling mistakes makes me any less of a person than you.

 

[Montaigne]

Considering it was 2.06am I'm surprised I got so much out...

If you wish to make petty remarks towards anyone about spelling or grammar then you're more of a fool than any of those young ones trying their best to get somewhere in life, you've obviously got far too much time on your hands if you think that a few spelling mistakes makes me any less of a person than you.

Authorised Access you're completely missing the point. Part of your post is complaining about how it is too easy to use a spell checker and how this can hide a person's unwillingness to learn and the very paragraph in which you make this point is littered with errors, spelling mistakes, incorrect words and where you don't finish the final sentence so it doesn't mean anything!

The point made was, quite "literately" (sic), hypocritical! And then you resort to childish insults lol.

If you had read my immediate post after this you would have seen that I have no problem with errors in forums per se; I just found it amusing that a person could complain about using a spell checker and not use a spell checker

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

Authorised Access you're completely missing the point. Part of your post is complaining about how it is too easy to use a spell checker and how this can hide a person's unwillingness to learn and the very paragraph in which you make this point is littered with errors, spelling mistakes, incorrect words and where you don't finish the final sentence so it doesn't mean anything!

The point made was, quite "literately" (sic), hypocritical! And then you resort to childish insults lol.

If you had read my immediate post after this you would have seen that I have no problem with errors in forums per se; I just found it amusing that a person could complain about using a spell checker and not use a spell checker

Then I suggest you read again what I have said with regards to using spell checker... I actually said I'd prefer that people wouldn't use them, as it can mislead people's perspective of who that person actually is.

Childish insults? Hardly a childish insult, it is an observation of you.

And just so show no hard feelings... I wrote Locksmithing ... and you put a capital L in for me, therefore you missed your very own mistake... I wasn't going to point it out, but hey ho.

And, just so you are aware... there is no such word in the English Dictionary as Locksmithing... it is a term we Locksmiths use willynilly

Tally Ho!

 

[Montaigne]

Then I suggest you read again what I have said with regards to using spell checker... I actually said I'd prefer that people wouldn't use them, as it can mislead people's perspective of who that person actually is.

What you actually said was that using a spell checker

can hide the fact that they're not willing to learn,

which is completely different from saying that it hides who a person is.

For example, to explain a person's inability to spell is in no way indicative of their unwillingness to learn; it is only indicative of their inability to spell. To suggest otherwise is to read into a sentence something that is clearly not there such as me saying that a person working in "locksmithing" who cannot correctly spell must be an awful locksmith. Clearly such an argument would be preposterous but that is the point you are making.

I put in bold your errors i.e. capital L is an error but not capital E on English

You don't find it funny that you're considered a trough which livestock eat out of, by your director?

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

The point that I am making is that if I was to use spellcheck on every single post, or even within a CV... or to use some sort of program or CV template, would give the wrong impression of who I am.

As someone with Dyslexia, no I don't take kindly to knobrots taking the micky out of my spelling, but don't worry... I tend to ignore people like you.

 

[Montaigne]

The point that I am making is that if I was to use spellcheck on every single post, or even within a CV... or to use some sort of program or CV template, would give the wrong impression of who I am.

As someone with Dyslexia, no I don't take kindly to knobrots taking the micky out of my spelling, but don't worry... I tend to ignore people like you.

I agree with you about the use of a spell checker hiding your inability to spell but do you really think that the best way to make an impression is to litter your documentation with errors?

I've already said that I have no issue with errors in forum posts as they're casual conversations with no purpose other than to further a discussion but do you really think the best way forward, from a business perspective, is to prevent people from using tools that can increase their performance? If we take this to it's logical conclusion should we ban calculators as they hide a person's lack of mathematical ability?

I couldn't care less if a person can't spell if they're using letter templates to send to customers and I couldn't care less whether someone uses a spell checker to ensure that their written communications are up to a high standard; all I care about is whether they are effective at their job or not.

 

[Montaigne]

The problem is, this thread is about giving young people a chance. If you have a choice between a well written, well punctuated and grammatically correct C.V. from a teenager and a C.V. full of errors and txt spk which one do you think would be most successful?

 

[Montaigne]

As someone with Dyslexia, no I don't take kindly to knobrots taking the micky out of my spelling, but don't worry... I tend to ignore people like you.

Look, you've clearly got a chip on your shoulder about this and choose to ignore my later posts but I'll say it once more and then you can carry on with your name calling if you wish.

I do not have an issue with your inability to spell, just your criticism of spell checkers in a post littered with examples of why a spell checker could be useful.

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

I agree with you about the use of a spell checker hiding your inability to spell but do you really think that the best way to make an impression is to litter your documentation with errors?

That would really depend on how "lazy" someone actually is... it wouldn't bother me one bit if there was the odd spelling mistake, it gives you as an employer something that you can work with, as I said previously

"You can't mould porcelain, but you can mould the clay it came from"

As someone who has grown up with Dyslexia, I'd have loved someone to just give me a chance to prove myself, unfortunately it never happened... I had to fight my way tooth and nail to prove to those that didn't think I could make it, to actually do something with my life.

If I had taken to heart every single thing that was said to me as I was growing up, if I had reacted exactly as kids tend to do these days with the girly tantrums, simply because they didn't understand me, with what I'd written... I know for a fact I'd be on the dole, wasting away playing online games 24/7 ignoring the fact that I can do it... Know what I mean?

I've already said that I have no issue with errors in forum posts as they're casual conversations with no purpose other than to further a discussion but do you really think the best way forward, from a business perspective, is to prevent people from using tools that can increase their performance? If we take this to it's logical conclusion should we ban calculators as they hide a person's lack of mathematical ability?

Calculators are totally different, we have to insert the correct numbers and calculations for the calculator to work, it doesn't actually do everything for us. we learn how to use a calculator, we won't learn from a template, it's already done for us, it was so good, we'll use it again and again, but it doesn't mean we've learned from it.

OK, let's say for instance you took on a new member of staff next week. His CV was glowing, you fell in love with the guy (not literately ) yet when it boiled down to it, his sales technique was dire, he couldn't speak to customers in a fashion that you would consider as professional, yet during his interview everything seemed to be excellent? what was going on!! Arghhh!

Wouldn't you be somewhat annoyed with yourself, you'd let that other lil fella leave based upon his inability to spell your name correctly.
(Some people find that offensive, I honestly can't understand why anyone would find it offensive to be honest! )

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

Look, you've clearly got a chip on your shoulder about this and choose to ignore my later posts but I'll say it once more and then you can carry on with your name calling if you wish.

I do not have an issue with your inability to spell, just your criticism of spell checkers in a post littered with examples of why a spell checker could be useful.

I added that as you thought it was amusing to use an edit note, where you're trying to make yourself look clever.



Now I have a chip on my shoulder? I'm not the one attempting to belittle someone, even though you yourself have stated that you don't care about forum discussions spelling et cetera.



Take note of smiley faces, before you assume I have a chip on my shoulder... I couldn't care less about my spelling, or anyone's spelling... I'd much prefer someone to tell me where I was going wrong rather than taking the michael with "trying to be clever" comments in edit notes.

The problem is, this thread is about giving young people a chance. If you have a choice between a well written, well punctuated and grammatically correct C.V. from a teenager and a C.V. full of errors and txt spk which one do you think would be most successful?

To some degree, I'd be more inclined to want to work with the person that needed the job more than the other. Obviously the well punctuated and grammatically correct person wouldn't have an issue getting work anywhere.

 

[Montaigne]

The one type of people I dont like employing are those who think they know it all and ones who pick arguments over the silliest things, refer to this thread for great examples

Good point. I stand corrected. This is getting silly. Apologies AA.

 

[internetspaceships]

They should be more like me on this forum. I never squabble or have a go at anyone.

 

[Consistency]

You can do all that Connie, so perhaps the biggest barrier to employment is your misunderstanding of employment law .



Karl Limpert

No perhaps about it.

I understand perfectly how one sided it is. How an employ can cost a company thousands and more and how that same employee can cost a company contracts through their incompetence and sciving and yet still be entitled to notice pay and holiday accrual etc.

As for the three month trial period - that of course only applies to the straight, sane, able-boddied male who is middle aged and without a criminal record. The rest are the vulnerables on that special list who we have to be wary of and treat with extra special gloves.

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

Good point. I stand corrected. This is getting silly. Apologies AA.

I'd apologise in return, however seeing as I've done nothing wrong...



Please, put that tongue elsewhere!

Erm, does that sound worse than it reads? :redface:

 

[hmmm]

Are these people really going the extra mile to find a job, or just being lazy and hoping one will turn up whilst sitting behind a computer?

Would you be more likely to give an interview to someone who posted on a forum in blind hope, or the person who walks into your business with a knowledge of your company and a non cloned cv?

Na, asking for a job on a forum is cop-out.

hmmm.

tunnel vision with a negative mind

i find this comment ,how can i put this.....hmmm

hmmm
hmmm

ok i got it

i put in my list along with ....
the offended
the denier
this can be called........
the pessimist


i have to comment on the walking into your business statement.
when i was unemployed,i was asked if i have done just the thing you have said,by the job centre when signing on
i replied no
the reason being.
you dont really want that to happen
imagine 10s maybe 100s walking through your door day in day out.
isnt this why we have the dreaded agencies?

 

[hmmm]

No perhaps about it.

I understand perfectly how one sided it is. How an employ can cost a company thousands and more and how that same employee can cost a company contracts through their incompetence and sciving and yet still be entitled to notice pay and holiday accrual etc.

As for the three month trial period - that of course only applies to the straight, sane, able-boddied male who is middle aged and without a criminal record. The rest are the vulnerables on that special list who we have to be wary of and treat with extra special gloves.

a tad like a banker.
ooo they love there bonuses after a bad day at the office

 

[Banned]

hmmm.

tunnel vision with a negative mind

i find this comment ,how can i put this.....hmmm


i have to comment on the walking into your business statement.
when i was unemployed,i was asked if i have done just the thing you have said,by the job centre when signing on
i replied no
the reason being.
you dont really want that to happen
imagine 10s maybe 100s walking through your door day in day out.
isnt this why we have the dreaded agencies?

Sorry for posting an opposing view, hardly tunnel vision or negative though

But I'll stand by my comments that sitting behind a PC randomly posting of forums looking for a job isn't original or showing initiative, as the number of people that do it on this forum alone shows. And that's the trouble today, thanks to social media to many people have grown up thinking that typing a line on a PC is the way to meet to people and employers. The best chance of getting a job isn't internet job sites or forums, but the good old fashioned local rag where employers have paid to attract staff to real jobs that need filling.

I don't have 10's of people leaving CV's in the shop, maybe one or two or every few months, perhaps more people should?

It was mentioned on another thread here about people having trouble finding staff, particularly in retail. Maybe this is because so many are sat on their pc's talking to the whole world, rather than local employers?

 

[PromoAde]

I'll stand by my comments that sitting behind a PC randomly posting of forums looking for a job isn't original or showing initiative, as the number of people that do it on this forum alone shows. And that's the trouble today, thanks to social media to many people have grown up thinking that typing a line on a PC is the way to meet to people and employers. The best chance of getting a job isn't internet job sites or forums, but the good old fashioned local rag where employers have paid to attract staff to real jobs that need filling.

I don't have 10's of people leaving CV's in the shop, maybe one or two or every few months, perhaps more people should?

It was mentioned on another thread here about people having trouble finding staff, particularly in retail. Maybe this is because so many are sat on their pc's talking to the whole world, rather than local employers?

Maybe the problem is that some employers haven't realised it's the 21st century? Younger people are naturally going to apply for jobs online. Why? Maybe because they realise it's a million time more efficient for BOTH parties than out dated alternatives!

The whole process is MUCH quciker, choosing/filtering interview candidates is much easier for the employer and the whole process works much better. An employer will have paid for a job advert regardless of whether it's in the paper or online. I'm talking about the main job sites here, where an advert can cost a couple of hundred to list.

Yes, people can apply for hundreds of jobs (is that a bad thing?) but as someone who has trawled through hundreds of applications it's very obvious which ones are making an effort to apply and which are sending generic applications. The problem isn't the tools used to apply, it's the attitude of the person applying.

 

[Banned]

Maybe the problem is that some employers haven't realised it's the 21st century? Younger people are naturally going to apply for jobs online. Why? Maybe because they realise it's a million time more efficient for BOTH parties than out dated alternatives!

The whole process is MUCH quciker, choosing/filtering interview candidates is much easier for the employer and the whole process works much better. An employer will have paid for a job advert regardless of whether it's in the paper or online. I'm talking about the main job sites here, where an advert can cost a couple of hundred to list.

Yes, people can apply for hundreds of jobs (is that a bad thing?) but as someone who has trawled through hundreds of applications it's very obvious which ones are making an effort to apply and which are sending generic applications. The problem isn't the tools used to apply, it's the attitude of the person applying.

I agree with all that

I'm on about random "gizzus a job" post on forums though.

 

[PromoAde]

I agree with all that

I'm on about random "gizzus a job" post on forums though.

Yes I do see your point. I think the main problem is: a lot of people looking for jobs and not a massive range of what I would call niche/inventive ways of finding one.

The first person to try and get a job on a forum such of this will get much better reception than the 10th. The more people who hand in printed cvs/turn up to work places the less it will have an effect. So most people will inventively join the masses and looking in the areas where most jobs are going to be posted.

 

[Henry Osadzinski]

These are the issues that, if possible, we'd like to limit by providing a more effective outlet to keep any potentially disruptive job-hunting threads away from other on-topic areas.

As this is more a feedback / UKBF discussion thread, I'll be moving it to the Feedback & Help section in a short while. There'll be a redirect link live here for a week but I wanted to give some notice first. Feel free to carry on though!

Thanks

 

[hmmm]

unfortunately when someone signs on they are continually pushed to apply on line.register on to agencies on line.never getting a face to see, never getting your personality viewed or your own face seen, never getting a reply 99% of the time.but still the job centre pushes this and if you do not do these things to show that you are "looking" for work then you lose benefits.
this whole on line job hunting imo suks.
anyone that tries it or tries here and tries anywhere ,then i say fair play at least there trying.
i hate the whole system of how looking for jobs has gone.
to me i like your comment of walking into factories shops.i think we should all do it and never use an agency.
but then everyone would moan and put up signs saying no callers without appointment's or use the agency to get employed here.

dammed if you do dammed if you dont.

 

[Arhob1]

Wow.

Nine people so far have thanked the original poster who is excusing poor standards instead of promoting high standards.

I wouldn't want to buy any of their services if excellence isn't important to them.

 

[iArtist]

Wow.

Nine people so far have thanked the original poster who is excusing poor standards instead of promoting high standards.

I wouldn't want to buy any of their services if excellence isn't important to them.

I think they'll still manage to sleep at night knowing this...

 

[InPrintImaging]

What applicants need is a reality check. The unemployed section of the population is currently over saturated. There are many more people applying for jobs, than there are vacancies to fill.

Like any recruitment process where there are lots of candidates, logically the employer will select the best. At the end of the day, that is only fair to the people who have taken the time and effort to "get it right". In fact, it underpins the process of "equal opportunities employer" if you use that system.

Take the example I gave before of someone who sent me a CV for a secretarial job but didn't put enough postage on it, resulting in me having to break my day, go into town and pay to collect something that I wasn't interested in anyway. I'm a believer that as a business, I am contracted to solve problems, not create them. The same applies to staff. If I had needed a secretary, and had however many applicants in front of me, which logically would I choose? The one who has shown they can type letters correctly and make sure they get there, or the one who results in me recieving complaints because clients have to pay to receive post from me?

Like it or not, there is a process of natural selection here. Why would it be "fair" to favour someone who hasn't taken the time to do a job properly over someone who has made the effort and pushed themselves that bit further? If that were the case, there would be no incentive for anyone to try and do a job well.

 

[maxine]

Wow.

Nine people so far have thanked the original poster who is excusing poor standards instead of promoting high standards.

I wouldn't want to buy any of their services if excellence isn't important to them.

No. Some of those thanks were for showing initiative and willing, not to promote poor standards.

There's been a lot of mentions about spelling and I think that is important even for the roles that I offer here for telemarketing because of the data capture side of things where often the information typed in to a CRM system generates semi-customised emails. It's a wasted opportunity and a poor reflection on business where people get things such as their/there wrong etc. They all end up getting double-checked to be on the safe side and brings extra cost to make up for this weakness.

However, if there were two CV's side by side one with fab spelling and the other one with a few mistakes yet the person with a few mistakes was significantly better at interview then I would make a decision on overall skills plus personality to employ. Finding young people with some oompf and determination to succeed is a great quality to find in my view

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

Wow.

Nine people so far have thanked the original poster who is excusing poor standards instead of promoting high standards.

I wouldn't want to buy any of their services if excellence isn't important to them.

I'm assuming that you were born perfect in every single way, and that you did not need to learn anything whatsoever, i.e. within your first job from leaving school/college you knew exactly what was required of you, giving you that extra footfall into the door with absolute knowledge of every single aspect of your new position.

Everyone has to start somewhere.

The OP is far from excusing poor standards. Excellence is a reward we reap when we've learned from our mistakes, even when making mistakes can we excel in our work, giving our customers the knowledge that when we bugger things up, we're willing to make things right.

It is those that consider their work to be perfect right from the very start that leave themselves open to ridicule when they create an issue.