Why are the Government threatening to make mask wearing in shops compulsory ?

[Ian J]

“Look and you will find it - what is unsought will go undetected.”
Sophocles

There's opportunity everywhere...
Supermarkets without supplies, e.g. Bog rolls, hand sanitiser, pasta, eggs, etc...

I suppose had I been of more entrepreneurial nature I could have popped out and bought some chickens and set up a market stall selling eggs

 

[Mr D]

It seems to me that one of two things apply.

Either this virus is not as infectious as we've been told and all this social distancing is actually doing something (in some ways the Diamond Princess supports the theory that the virus isn't as infectious as they say it is, remember only 17% contracted it).
or
The virus is as infectious as they say it is, that is to say very infectious, and all this social distancing etc is doing very little to alter the final death toll (but at massive social and economic damage).

All the death rate graphs support the latter, but with the positive that, it seems, a high proportion of the population is not susceptible to it. The Diamond Princess, counter intuitively, could support either, but indicates that one of the above two theories has to be true.

Hopefully on the diamond princess there was effort to quarantine passengers.
Rather than everyone mingle and be normal cruise passengers.

How can you say that social distance has not worked?
Hello? Number infected went down in the UK. How much social distance was there between you and your customers during lockdown?

 

[Mr D]

I suppose had I been of more entrepreneurial nature I could have popped out and bought some chickens and set up a market stall selling eggs

Lots of people did, such that breeders stopped supplying birds in quantity to those who were not experienced.
People turning up to buy 49 birds who had never owned one....

 

[Mr D]

I am obviously missing something so would you be good enough to explain what opportunities for wealth creation there are during this pandemic

Besides selling goods in short supply, perhaps you should have been selling online?

Apparently craft items went well, as did exercise equipment and games.

 

[Mr D]

One minor positive of the government's edict that we will all have to wear face coverings in shops, and, even worse, "for the foreseeable future" (i.e. there is no time limited objective measure when this will be rolled back).
After the Labour party came out in favour of it, for one brief moment between Gove hinting it would not become mandatory, and this government insisting it would be, I could, for the first time in my life, have seen myself voting Tory. That's how angry I am.
At least I'm spared that.

Likely to become even more common this winter. Wearing it outside too, not just in shops.

 

[UKSBD]

I suppose had I been of more entrepreneurial nature I could have popped out and bought some chickens and set up a market stall selling eggs

I'll sell you half a dozen courgettes for a £pound
Tomatoes will be ready soon too

 

[Interestedobserver]

There would not have been "100s of thousands of deaths" had we not locked down, all the evidence supports my contention, from the Diamond Princess to all the death rate graphs.
When all the data is in on this nightmare (and I mean the lockdown and social distancing just as much as the virus) we'll see who is right, you or me. I'll go further, I think it will be concluded that this lockdown has been a terrible mistake
Tell you what, do you want to put a little sportsman's bet on it, say £10 ? To be collected (either way) in say two years, or before if definitive conclusions have been drawn. PM me.

Wow £10 after two years??

That's going to be a nailbiter to watch

Good luck guys!

 

[Interestedobserver]

Chowell also looked at how effective the stringent containment measures introduced on the Diamond Princess were in reducing the virus’s spread. From 5 February, passengers on the ship were confined to their cabins for two weeks or more.

He and Kenji Mizumoto, an epidemiologist at Kyoto University in Japan, report in Infectious Disease Modelling3 that the day the quarantine was introduced, one person could go on to infect more than 7 others. The infection rate was probably quite high because people were living in close quarters and touching surfaces contaminated with the virus, says Chowell.




What China’s coronavirus response can teach the rest of the world
But after people were confined to their rooms, the average number of others to whom one infected person passed the virus dropped below one. This suggests that the quarantine averted a lot of infections, says Chowell. However, it wasn’t perfect: passengers could still infect their room-mates and crew members, he says.

Although insights from the ship about the virus’s spread and severity are valuable, it is difficult to draw lessons from its quarantine for those countries implementing similar lockdown measures, says Ioannidis. “A whole country is not a ship.”

 

[Interestedobserver]

Without "lockdown/quarantine" one person could infect seven others in the ship. With lockdown one person could infect less than one person on the ship

 

[Interestedobserver]

Likely to become even more common this winter. Wearing it outside too, not just in shops.

I agree with what I've seen written several times on internet

Wearing a mask let's others around you who don't care about social distancing know that you don't want them close to you

That alone makes you safer

And we know if you have a mask on and unknowingly are carrying Covid you can't pass it on as easily

It's a no brainer to wear masks everywhere in due course if we want to prevent further lockdowns

Surely wearing masks is better than having to endure future lockdowns

I believe a way out of this if we don't get a viable vaccine is more effective masks and more comfortable masks for everyone that become a way of life and normal

They will become like mobile phones in the future. Everyone will have them and the best ones will be more expensive and keep you safer.

No doubt they will add technology to them at some stage.

Kids and parents will be able to wear them at schools and be safer

The world will adapt

 

[Mr D]

Without "lockdown/quarantine" one person could infect seven others in the ship. With lockdown one person could infect less than one person on the ship

That's the 'R' number effectively?
Below 1 the government appear to think the infection is not spreading fast. And as you say putting people together into tight quarters - in cabins or at home with family - spreads the virus to them much easier. But much harder to spread to others if there isn't any other contact.

 

[Mr D]

I agree with what I've seen written several times on internet

Wearing a mask let's others around you who don't care about social distancing know that you don't want them close to you

That alone makes you safer

And we know if you have a mask on and unknowingly are carrying Covid you can't pass it on as easily

It's a no brainer to wear masks everywhere in due course if we want to prevent further lockdowns

Surely wearing masks is better than having to endure future lockdowns

I believe a way out of this if we don't get a viable vaccine is more effective masks and more comfortable masks for everyone that become a way of life and normal

They will become like mobile phones in the future. Everyone will have them and the best ones will be more expensive and keep you safer.

No doubt they will add technology to them at some stage.

Kids and parents will be able to wear them at schools and be safer

The world will adapt

Forget masks. In time we'll have themed respirators with changeable filters. Those of us more vulnerable will have disposable plastic suits with quick seal kits to repair while out.

Hmmm... wonder if I can design a nice wolf face for a respirator, sell it on the internet....

 

[Deleted member 59730]

And we know if you have a mask on and unknowingly are carrying Covid you can't pass it on as easily

By chance I came across a 2 year old photo of a queue at a Japanese food stall. 4 out of 7 were wearing masks.

 

[ecommerce84]

I really hope masks don’t become mandatory everywhere, it would be very hard to socialise.

As someone who has been working behind a till for most of lockdown, it’s borderline impossible to hear people wearing a mask sometimes as they can be quite muffling. I wouldn’t fancy a walk through the woods or a picnic with family with everyone having having to wear masks all the time.

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

I wouldn’t fancy a walk through the woods or a picnic with family with everyone having having to wear masks all the time.

Fortunately it’s only indoors, so that should be an issue

 

[Mr D]

Fortunately it’s only indoors, so that should be an issue

Indoors. For now.
Could be outdoors by winter.

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

Indoors. For now.
Could be outdoors by winter.

Based on what? The virus doesn’t travel well outdoors, and no one is sure why. It’s more likely to be air movement than heat related...although it could potentially be UV.

 

[Mr D]

Based on what? The virus doesn’t travel well outdoors, and no one is sure why. It’s more likely to be air movement than heat related...although it could potentially be UV.

Based on the government not wanting to do big lockdown again. On the virus apparently thriving in decent winter temperatures - like 4C - and surviving on surfaces much longer. There is data on how it handles in winter - remember half the world is in winter while we are in summer!

In terms of being carried through water droplets, take your chances. In terms of keeping your hands away from your face ….. its very effective.

 

[Newchodge]

Based on what? The virus doesn’t travel well outdoors, and no one is sure why. It’s more likely to be air movement than heat related...although it could potentially be UV.

The fact people are less likely to be in close proximity outdoors may also be a factor.

 

[antropy]

Likely to become even more common this winter. Wearing it outside too, not just in shops.

We are just going to have to suck it up and adapt! Alex

 

[Interestedobserver]

I really hope masks don’t become mandatory everywhere, it would be very hard to socialise.

As someone who has been working behind a till for most of lockdown, it’s borderline impossible to hear people wearing a mask sometimes as they can be quite muffling. I wouldn’t fancy a walk through the woods or a picnic with family with everyone having having to wear masks all the time.

But if the alternative is lockdown at home which would you prefer?

 

[Annoying Donkey]

I suppose had I been of more entrepreneurial nature I could have popped out and bought some chickens and set up a market stall selling eggs

No need. Just find someone who has the chickens and connect them with someone who has the need to make omelets. Stand in the middle and collect the toll...

Bit like factoring...

 

[Mr D]

No need. Just find someone who has the chickens and connect them with someone who has the need to make omelets. Stand in the middle and collect the toll...

Bit like factoring...

Or transport the eggs from the means of production (the chickens) to the means of selling (the market).
Money to be made in logistics. Even in cleaning the eggs!

 

[Interestedobserver]

I suppose had I been of more entrepreneurial nature I could have popped out and bought some chickens and set up a market stall selling eggs

So factoring not busy now?

If not could you not move your skills into insolvency advice?

 

[Annoying Donkey]

Or transport the eggs from the means of production (the chickens) to the means of selling (the market).
Money to be made in logistics. Even in cleaning the eggs!

Again, you don't want to be out exposing yourself to the virus or maintaining a vehicle... Just find someone who has a vehicle and no work.

We're shielding, so don't want to go out at all...

 

[Ian J]

So factoring not busy now?

If not could you not move your skills into insolvency advice?

It's not surprising that it's not busy when Boris is almost giving money away but it will pick up soon when the companies have wasted it all and they go back to their bankers for more who tell them to go whistle.

Your second suggestion is just beneath contempt so I won't dignify it with a response

 

[Interestedobserver]

It's not surprising that it's not busy when Boris is almost giving money away but it will pick up soon when the companies have wasted it all and they go back to their bankers for more who tell them to go whistle.

Your second suggestion is just beneath contempt so I won't dignify it with a response

Lol

Yep I would imagine factoring will be busier than ever soon enough

You will be able to put your prices up!!

 

[RobinBHM]

I am obviously missing something so would you be good enough to explain what opportunities for wealth creation there are during this pandemic

Hedge funds, derivatives, asset stripping, Tory govt awarding contracts to mates and avoiding scrutiny.

These days money can made far more quickly by the destruction of wealth than by building wealth.

 

[RobinBHM]

It's not surprising that it's not busy when Boris is almost giving money away but it will pick up soon when the companies have wasted it all and they go back to their bankers for more who tell them to go whistle.

Your second suggestion is just beneath contempt so I won't dignify it with a response

I think the first period of the lockdown has been the honeymoon stage. Everybody at home, in the same boat, nice weather.
The autumn is going to be the start of loads of people losing their jobs, lots of businesses going bust, it's going to be tough.

Businesses that survive will want to maximise cash flow, I'm sure factoring will be busy.

 

[Interestedobserver]

I think the first period of the lockdown has been the honeymoon stage. Everybody at home, in the same boat, nice weather.
The autumn is going to be the start of loads of people losing their jobs, lots of businesses going bust, it's going to be tough.

Businesses that survive will want to maximise cash flow, I'm sure factoring will be busy.

Yep Covid and lack of socialising in the winter with the cold and dark days and nights will be much tougher and less pleasant for all concerned with or without a job

 

[UKSBD]

No idea if this is a trusted source or not, but they seem to think the herd immunity threshold is a lot lower than thought and the virus is already running out of people to infect

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1284058889722437632

 

[Mr D]

No idea if this is a trusted source or not, but they seem to think the herd immunity threshold is a lot lower than thought and the virus is already running out of people to infect

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1284058889722437632

Guess it will have to hit those who have lost antibodies then. https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...odies-fade-after-three-weeks-2020-7?r=US&IR=T

 

[fisicx]

No idea if this is a trusted source or not, but they seem to think the herd immunity threshold is a lot lower than thought and the virus is already running out of people to infect

If this is the case then it’s good news. But SARS viruses are patient. They can lie dormant until conditions are right to flare up again. Which is why we have a flu jab every year and you keep getting colds.

 

[Mr D]

If this is the case then it’s good news. But SARS viruses are patient. They can lie dormant until conditions are right to flare up again. Which is why we have a flu jab every year and you keep getting colds.

Think may see a really big push on getting as many people the flu jab this year as possible. Not just us who get it free but everyone.
Anything to reduce peak demand on NHS which, due to Murphy and His Imps, will be likely the same week that covid infections requiring care peak.

 

[fisicx]

Apparently the firms normally producing the flu vaccine are focusing on Covid 19. Which means we may not get the right flu jab this year.

Haven't done much investigation on this so can’t confirm or deny the rumour.

 

[Mr D]

Apparently the firms normally producing the flu vaccine are focusing on Covid 19. Which means we may not get the right flu jab this year.

Haven't done much investigation on this so can’t confirm or deny the rumour.

Its a game of Russian Roulette every year. Produce the stuff well in advance, hope the mix works for that population. Sometimes its right, sometimes its not. Mutations happen such that a jab is more or less effective for an individual.
Can still get the flu after having the jab - twice I've had the flu less than 6 months after the jab. *In the past 3 years.
Last jab maybe worked. Or maybe I wasn't exposed to the flu at the right time - been practicing social distancing and as much isolation as possible for over 6 months.

 

[Forgot password]

No idea if this is a trusted source or not, but they seem to think the herd immunity threshold is a lot lower than thought and the virus is already running out of people to infect

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1284058889722437632

Don’t tell Interested observer, it’s his favourite authority on the subject.

 

[ecommerce84]

But if the alternative is lockdown at home which would you prefer?

Thankfully it’s not an either/or so it doesn’t matter.

We won’t be seeing any more lockdowns anyway, except on a local level.

Taking into account exercise would be severely restricted wearing a facemask, I don’t think the negligible benefit of wearing them outdoors at all times outweighs the long term effect of lost regular exercise. And that’s one of the reasons it won’t happen.

 

[Mr D]

Thankfully it’s not an either/or so it doesn’t matter.

We won’t be seeing any more lockdowns anyway, except on a local level.

Taking into account exercise would be severely restricted wearing a facemask, I don’t think the negligible benefit of wearing them outdoors at all times outweighs the long term effect of lost regular exercise. And that’s one of the reasons it won’t happen.

Eh?
Since when has exercise been restricted while wearing a mask?

Cycling masks have been for sale for some years. Is cycling an activity restricted by the wearing of a face mask?
Walking certainly isn't.

How about these multiple items - this one I found in seconds on ebay plus the ones in the 'similar sponsored items'?

 

[Interestedobserver]

Thankfully it’s not an either/or so it doesn’t matter.

We won’t be seeing any more lockdowns anyway, except on a local level.

Taking into account exercise would be severely restricted wearing a facemask, I don’t think the negligible benefit of wearing them outdoors at all times outweighs the long term effect of lost regular exercise. And that’s one of the reasons it won’t happen.

I bet you Nike and Reebok and Adidas are all working on Covid friendly masks for sports already