Who Wants Boris Back?

[Newchodge]

Just wondering if she goes . . . Gove as a replacement?

I'm not sure it makes much difference, just as long as it is not Patel.

 

[japancool]

Braverman in trouble about the disgraceful conditions at the Manston refugee camp and in even more trouble over sending confidential documents via her private email account to private individuals outside of government. Very strictly speaking, this is not just against the ministerial code, but if those docs were marked 'Confidential' then that would be a violation of the Official Secrets Act.

I said this before, Braverman should not have been let anywhere near government, let alone the Home Office.

 

[japancool]

I'm not sure it makes much difference, just as long as it is not Patel.

Things are getting really bad in this country when I'm starting to agree with @Newchodge on political matters.

 

[The Byre]

I said this before, Braverman should not have been let anywhere near government, let alone the Home Office.

But Sunak cannot fire her!

Braverman has admitted that she had sent government documents to her personal email address on six separate occasions! She said she transferred the documents to her personal email so she could read the documents while conducting virtual meetings.

Now we discover that Mark Spencer, farming minister, said that Braverman herself had blocked the use of hotel rooms for migrants. So we are back to politics as normal - running full tilt through a political minefield and hoping nothing gets blown up.

BTW, Theresa May managed to run the Home Office for six years from 2010 to 2016, with only one minor hitch when she was booed at the police conference.

But Sunak will be reluctant to sack Braverman.

However - according to The Telegraph, one Tory MP on the Home Affairs select committee if Braverman was safe this lunchtime, replied: “I don’t know. She is expendable.”

But Sunak needs a senior figure from the Right to keep the ERG happy and therefore must keep a senior ERG figure in the Cabinet.

Braverman is a former ERG chairman and one of the 28 Spartan Tories who fought Theresa May’s Brexit deal in 2019.

These questions over emails will fade if she is able to solve the migrant crisis that her predecessors created by failing to deal with what could have been a minor issue if the right structures were in place. The idiotic Ruanda 'solution' is unlikely to fly and smells badly of desperation.

But all this will be swept away as the economic news gets worse and worse!

 

[japancool]

BTW, Theresa May managed to run the Home Office for six years from 2010 to 2016, with only one minor hitch when she was booed at the police conference.

Until Windrush and the "hostile environment" blew up after she left the Home Office.

 

[japancool]

But Sunak needs a senior figure from the Right to keep the ERG happy and therefore must keep a senior ERG figure in the Cabinet.

I was trying to figure out which ministerial position she could have where she could do the least damage. I couldn't come up with much. Transport Secretary? Sports Minister? (although that falls under the Culture portfolio. and I shudder to think what she would do if she was given Culture)

Minister of Administrative Affairs?

 

[The Byre]

We now hear reports that over summer that The Lettuce had her mobile phone hacked by people working on behalf of the Kremlin. That should raise alarm bells across Whitehall and this bunch of incompetent clowns needs to get a grip.

It is quite clear that the UK political establishment is not taking the threat seriously enough. The compromised information on Truss’s personal phone, it is reported, may have included sensitive information about the Ukraine war. If that is true, it would be an extraordinary lack of security.

Then there was the severing of the Shefa-2 fibre-optic cables between Scotland, Shetland and the Faroes. These have been played down as accidents – “probably by a fishing vessel” – but how likely is it that an accident would produce two separate cuts on the same day, especially when there was a Russian “research” vessel in the area?

A couple of days after the Shefa-2 cuts, three fibre-optic cables were cut in the Mediterranean off Marseille, disrupting the internet in Europe, the US and Asia. There have also been reports of unidentified drones flying near Norwegian offshore oil and gas installations and several Russian nationals were subsequently arrested by Norway.

Then there was the gas pipeline incident - two explosions at the same time. Only the military does things twice. It is an age-old military tactic to make sure of success by attacking a target in two places simultaneously.

 

[japancool]

We now hear reports that over summer that The Lettuce had her mobile phone hacked by people working on behalf of the Kremlin. That should raise alarm bells across Whitehall and this bunch of incompetent clowns needs to get a grip.

Apparently, they also hacked Boris' phone, but all they got out of it was unintelligible gabbling.

 

[thetiger2015]

Then there was the gas pipeline incident - two explosions at the same time. Only the military does things twice. It is an age-old military tactic to make sure of success by attacking a target in two places simultaneously.

Apparently that was the British? Certainly looks like it and maybe why Russia are now releasing evidence of text messages between Truss and other NATO members? They're going to try and isolate the UK by saying we acted outside of NATO and thereby we are a legitimate target now and won't be protected by NATO at all. I don't see why the US or EU would defend the UK either, we would be in breach of lots of international laws if it turns out we attacked allied pipelines and damaged equipment on EU soil for no reason other than to irritate other allies and force them to buy US supplies at inflated prices.

 

[japancool]

if it turns out we attacked allied pipelines and damaged equipment on EU soil

If.

 

[MBE2017]

Apparently that was the British? Certainly looks like it and maybe why Russia are now releasing evidence of text messages between Truss and other NATO members? They're going to try and isolate the UK by saying we acted outside of NATO and thereby we are a legitimate target now and won't be protected by NATO at all. I don't see why the US or EU would defend the UK either, we would be in breach of lots of international laws if it turns out we attacked allied pipelines and damaged equipment on EU soil for no reason other than to irritate other allies and force them to buy US supplies at inflated prices.

There is no way this attack was not orchestrated by the Americans, using someone else probably, but there will be trails if necessary that can be found. It wouldn’t surprise myself if the UK, Ukrainian or some other force did this on the Americans behalf, but as usual, we will never likely know, at least in our lifetimes.

 

[IanSuth]

These questions over emails will fade if she is able to solve the migrant crisis that her predecessors created by failing to deal with what could have been a minor issue if the right structures were in place. The idiotic Ruanda 'solution' is unlikely to fly and smells badly of desperation.

Even less likely now the charter airline "Privilege Style" they were going to use has pulled out - they were the by all accounts the only people willing to do it before and now aren't

 

[japancool]

The only way to deal with it is to create an accessible, legal route to gain UK asylum.

The "legal" routes available now have the bar set so high that in practise, nobody can use it.

 

[Newchodge]

The only way to deal with it is to create an accessible, legal route to gain UK asylum.

The "legal" routes available now have the bar set so high that in practise, nobody can use it.

There are no legal routes for asylim seekers to enter the UK.

 

[Clinton]

There are no legal routes for asylim seekers to enter the UK.

There ARE legal routes.

And that's before 100,000 refugees came via the Homes For Ukraine programme.

 

[Newchodge]

There ARE legal routes.

And that's before 100,000 refugees came via the Homes For Ukraine programme.

Those routes are nbot accessible to the vast majorioty of people who need to claim asylum.

 

[japancool]

Those routes are nbot accessible to the vast majorioty of people who need to claim asylum.

That's my point. The government goes on about people using legal routes to gain UK asylum, but in practise, those routes are really designed so people *cannot* use them. They are especially inaccessible to vulnerable people.

Therefore people cross the Channel and use illegal routes because the legal ones are a joke.

 

[japancool]

And that's before 100,000 refugees came via the Homes For Ukraine programme.

And that's fine. They're white. They're the good kind of refugee.

 

[Clinton]

Those routes are nbot accessible to the vast majorioty of people who need to claim asylum.

You're changing your position. You said there are no legal routes.

Listen, I get that the left would like more migrants. Migrants are more likely to vote Labour.

But the general population aren't so keen on a large number of new migrants, not at least till we've built some more schools and hospitals and roads. Or, preferably, after we've caught up with the third world and are able to go see a GP or dentist on the day.

If the infrastructure were to catch up, I believe the public would be more open to larger numbers of refugees.

Perhaps Labour's next manifesto should say that they intend to open the borders. Let's see how many votes that gets them.

There is strong public feeling against migration (including refugees). That's just the way it is.

 

[japancool]

But the general population aren't so keen on a large number of new migrants,

Unless they're Ukrainian.

 

[webjaved]

Why would you want a criminal as PM again? Good riddance.

 

[Clinton]

Unless they're Ukrainian.

The Ukrainian situation is different. The 100K refugees from Ukraine, unlike refugees from everywhere else, can't apply for Permanent Residence. There's simply no route to indefinite leave to remain and certainly not to citizenship.

Their stay is for a maximum of 3 years, and then all of them need to go back. In fact, many went back the moment all the action moved east and Kyiv and Lviv were relatively calm. I know 100+ UA refugees here and speak with them regularly. Most of them can't wait to go back. If the war had ended, I estimate that at least 80% would have returned immediately and not used their entire 3 years.