What is the real economic situation in UK?

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Hi, everybody,

I live in London and I have friends who work in a business environment, also, in recruitment agencies and they say to me only negative things about this great country. Mostly they talk about country going down, that employment is cut everyday, wages are smaller than ever, a lot of people from other countries (Pakistan, India, other Asia countries, East Europe and more) are coming into UK. Criminal activities are on a high level and etc. A lot of wise British people are emigrating to other countries. My friends are saying that in two years British government is going "to sell" the country to Canada, US or Australia.

What is your opinion about the future of UK? Or it just my friends who are pretty negative on everything and just want to let me down?

Thank you very much!
 
What you focus on expands. Basically - focus on the crap and that's all you'll be able to see.

Complainers, Justifyers and blamers will just drag those around them down into their pit of misery so you're best staying clear.

It's not all rosy out there in the economy, but if you get your head down and take control of your life then you'll find a way to succeed.

"The best of us can find happiness in misery" - Fall Out Boy.
 
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What you focus on expands. Basically - focus on the crap and that's all you'll be able to see.

Complainers, Justifyers and blamers will just drag those around them down into their pit of misery so you're best staying clear.

It's not all rosy out there in the economy, but if you get your head down and take control of your life then you'll find a way to succeed.

"The best of us can find happiness in misery" - Fall Out Boy.

You been smoking funny stuff or what.?:)

Complainers, Justifyers and blamers well excuse me ,but it wern't me or me dustman that got up to no good with the countries lolly.:eek:

I do believe it had a tad to do with our glorious financial institutions and GB management.

So we poor worker ants have to work our arses off to rectify other peoples negligence,most of whom are probably so well stashed from there little fiasco's that they are totally unaffected by the mayhem they have caused.

Not moan are you insane ?.:p

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Well i know loads who would get out tomorrow if they could sell up..
So think you have heard about right ..

sad isnt it :( Once the best place in the world reduced to a joke place in 13 Glorious Labour ran years ..

and the biggest joke Blair and Brown are now Millionaires :mad:

They should be punished for what they have allowed to happen to the UK..
 
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The standard of living is substantially higher now than in 1997 for the great majority of people.
The cuts being proposed will take us back to levels of government expenditure of 2005. Ooh er! Catastrophe.

Times are tougher than they were, and for a seller of jet skis, (a luxury product if ever there was one), to say he is a suffering worker ant is a tad on the rich side. (especially as he used to have a Ferrari, or something like that. Workers of the world unite! You have nothing to lose except your Italian sports cars...)

As for people wanting to leave:let 'em. Good bloody riddance. I wish they would take the bankers who threatened to leave with them. They won't contribute will they? Behind walls of gin and tonics, bleating Daily Mail speak they'll just poison the place. I doubt anywhere actually wants them mind you...

People are very glass half empty, but to use another analogy, at least now the light at the end of the tunnel might not be an oncoming train.

On the bright side the concept of selling the country is so far off the wall as to nearly be NooGeneration Lab policy; loving it.

Got any spare change guv? A fiver gets you England, and tell you what you can have Wales for free.
 
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On the bright side the concept of selling the country is so far off the wall as to nearly be NooGeneration Lab policy; loving it.

Listen mate a dogs always gotta eat.

Them lovely bankers who used to buy our jetskis are not buying the bleeding things these days.:eek:

So its nose to the grindstone for this poor old bugger.( get rich scheme No 2,591).

I think you will find that quite a large lump of blighty is already in foreign hands.Are you sure you don't pay a french company for your gas.;)

The glass ain't half full its bleeding cracked.:|

Earl
 
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We have taught the world and now they are doing it better and cheaper than our government and unions will let us.

And as the cardinal in France reported as saying - pre pope visit, "when you land at Heathrow you think at times you have landed in a Third World country"!

Third World?

So no I doubt anyone would want to buy a Third World Country... I think were safe to assume we will suffer some more on our own just yet.
 
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Anyway, Britain is in great shape.

The bankers think the FTSE100 will hit 6,000 by the end of the year.

According to the BBC,

"The recovery will probably bounce around a lot in the next year - but none of these economists expects it seriously to go into reverse."

I can't believe for a moment that both the bankers AND a journalist can be wrong, so the only question is how quickly or slowly we'll recover.

... And anyone questioning this is a com'nist. :)

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The problem we have is the great british people at large have become the banks. The government have borrowed huge amounts of money to shore up the banking system and the government are slashing costs, jacking up taxes and poring over novel new ways to bleed us white just to keep up with the interest rates on this borrowed money.

Banks are being told to "repay the public purse" but who exactly is this mythical creature called "public purse"? All of us. So in reality we are being attacked on two not unrelated fronts, with the bankers doing their level best to wrest more money from us while sitting tight on what they do have to go on yet another gambling frenzy because the government has them under the cosh, so they need appeasement, while the government is also under the cosh from the IMF to control it's expenditures and pay the loans back. Banks, government, it matters not folks , because it's a race now which one of them kills us all off first.
 
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The problem we have is the great british people at large have become the banks.

Yes. And what's worse is that we've become the bank when no-one else wants to be the bank. There's a red flag right there!

I read about how, in America, because the Fed interest rates are basically zero, the banks were borrowing money from the government and buying treasury bonds with it!

Because the bonds had a higher interest rate than the Fed, the banks could pocket the difference.

What's happened recently is a boom in the bond market - with a lot of that money going into junk bonds. What'll happen when that boom turns to bust?

Another bailout?

Steve
 
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So no I doubt anyone would want to buy a Third World Country
Third world countries have been bought and sold for ages, although the practice fell out of favour in the twentieth century. Even then Mitsubishi bought vast swathes of Madagascar, and the ever delightful Mark Thatcher tried to organize stealing a country, paying the thieves rather than the citizens.
Geldof heads a hedge fund which is buying (into) southern Africa, which isn't vastly different from Rhodes' British South Africa Company, is it? Mercantile colonialism.

But perhaps a discussion on mercantile colonialism isn't what the OP intended.
 
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The economy will rise and fall but there are always opportunities to those that are resourceful.

The recession has been a big challenge, its made people think harder and better on ways to survive and even prosper in some cases.

In business you should never get too comfortable in your ways, always look to improve, be more efficient and dynamic.

Business, like nature, is the survival of the fittest. Those that disappear during the recession will make room for the better businesses and give opportunities to a new generation.
 
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Listen mate a dogs always gotta eat.

Them lovely bankers who used to buy our jetskis are not buying the bleeding things these days.:eek:

So its nose to the grindstone for this poor old bugger.( get rich scheme No 2,591).

Earl

Suffering in the downturn, Kent based purveyor of personal watercraft , Sir Earl, launches his latest Jet Ski, the Recession Buster:



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(Taken from the poke)
 
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Things will feel sticky in the next three weeks or so when the scale of the spending cuts starts to become more apparent. Ditto when the VAT threshold rises in January.

I've always had confidence in British people, though. Gutsy and resourceful. Fair-minded too. We might be more resilient than people expect.
 
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I know he is German, what has his nationality got to do with what I said?
As I understood it, the interview was conducted by German news magazine Focus (published on 13 September) while he (Kasper) was on a French visit.

If someone says "the cardinal in France", it suggests he resides there. The same way as if I said "he's a bishop in Carlisle", it doesn't mean the guy is standing on the railway platform, waiting for a connection.

If him being in France while he was doing the interview is just an irrelevant detail - which it would be - then it makes no sense to use it as the lead fact you use to identify who he is.

Steve
 
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Hi FunGuy

Keep positive, keep having fun and don't let your friends drag you down. The UK is a great place and has a good future ahead.:):)



Hi, everybody,

I live in London and I have friends who work in a business environment, also, in recruitment agencies and they say to me only negative things about this great country. Mostly they talk about country going down, that employment is cut everyday, wages are smaller than ever, a lot of people from other countries (Pakistan, India, other Asia countries, East Europe and more) are coming into UK. Criminal activities are on a high level and etc. A lot of wise British people are emigrating to other countries. My friends are saying that in two years British government is going "to sell" the country to Canada, US or Australia.

What is your opinion about the future of UK? Or it just my friends who are pretty negative on everything and just want to let me down?

Thank you very much!
 
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If someone says "the cardinal in France", it suggests he resides there. The same way as if I said "he's a bishop in Carlisle", it doesn't mean the guy is standing on the railway platform, waiting for a connection.

If him being in France while he was doing the interview is just an irrelevant detail - which it would be - then it makes no sense to use it as the lead fact you use to identify who he is.

Steve

A news report encompasses many details relevant and not so relevant but changing them to suit doesn't make it any less relevant just edited.

And as the cardinal WHILE in France reported as saying....etc

Is that better? ;)
 
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A news report encompasses many details relevant and not so relevant but changing them to suit doesn't make it any less relevant just edited.

And as the cardinal WHILE in France reported as saying....etc

Is that better? ;)

Yes.

Or "the cardinal who was visiting France".

Steve

PS I'm wondering how the cardinal got to France.

Given he was comparing Heathrow airport to a "3rd world country" because there are so many coloured people working there, woudn't he have come to a similar conclusion if he landed at Charles de Gaulle?

Maybe he took the train?
 
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In the great depression (1930's) which is where we are heading there were more millionaires made than at any time in history. This will repeat so the opportunities will be there.

If you want to know more about the economy and how you can protect yourself then send me a PM and I will give you a link to a documentary that everyone should watch now.

Market Update and The American Dream of Home Ownership Has Become a Nightmare

Sep 24, 2010

The article below is from self made billionaire (real estate and publishing) Mort Zuckerman, currently the publisher of US News and World Report. I’ve quoted Zuckerman in the past several times, and this is his most bearish report yet. We’ve never in history had a recovery in the economy without a recovery in housing, and as you will read, we seem to be getting further and further away from this possibility.

Every time I write about the reality of the housing market I depress myself. I am a home owner….I own investment properties…and I own raw land. And while I have a well thought out game plan for each (we have to live somewhere, I like rental income, and we will be building on riverfront property in 2011), I would much rather be talking about the coming recovery in housing…believe you me. But here’s the flip side; if my work can help VRA readers and WMI Members to make the best decision possible for themselves and their families, then I have done the right thing. And in this case, I see no recovery in the housing markets (US or globally) until 2015 at the earliest. And even then the days of watching our homes appreciate by 5-10% per year will likely not happen again in our lifetimes. Simply put, that’s what a massive deleveraging cycle and a world-wide Depression does to real estate values.

Here’s the article…and even after reading this, try and have a nice weekend.

Kip

The American Dream of Home Ownership Has Become a Nightmare

The disappearance of home equity value is a lead weight on the recovery

Why has housing been such a core element in the story of American civilization?

Culturally a decent house has been a symbol of middle-class family life. Practically, it has been a secure shelter for the children, along with access to a good free education. Financially it has been regarded as a safe store of value, a shield against the vagaries of the economy, and a long-term retirement asset. Indeed, for decades, a house has been the largest asset on the balance sheet of the average American family. In recent years, it provided boatloads of money to homeowners through recourse to cash-out refinancing, in effect an equity withdrawal from their once rapidly appreciating home values.

These days the American dream of home ownership has turned into a nightmare for millions of families. They wake every day to the reality of a horrible decline in the value of the home that has meant so much to them. The pressure to meet mortgage payments on homes that have lost value has been especially shocking—and unjust—for the millions of unemployed through no fault of their own. For the baby boomer generation, a home is now seen not as the cornerstone of advancement but a ball and chain, restricting their ability and their mobility to move and seek out a job at another location. They just cannot afford to abandon the equity they have in their homes—and they can't sell in this miserable market.

American homeowners have experienced an unprecedented decline in their equity net of mortgage debt. The seemingly never-ending fall in prices has brought an average decline of at least 30 percent. Furthermore, the country is now going through an unprecedented nationwide slide in sales, despite the fact that long-term mortgage interest rates nationwide plummeted recently to a record low of 4.3 percent before rising slightly. The result is that home occupancy costs for home purchases are now down to roughly 15 percent of family income, dramatically lower than the conventional, affordable figure of 25 percent of family income devoted to home occupancy costs. Yet new home sales, pending home sales, and mortgage applications are down to a 13-year low.

The economics of home ownership could hardly be more disastrously opposite to the expectations of generation after generation. Millions of homes have been foreclosed upon. About 11 million residential properties, or about 23 percent of such properties with mortgages, have mortgage balances that exceed the home's value. Given the total inventory, and the shadow inventory of empty homes, many experts expect prices to fall another 5 to 10 percent. That would bring the decline to 40 percent from peak-to-trough and expose an estimated 40 percent of homeowners to mortgages in excess of the value of their homes.

The growing risk of disappearing equity invites more strategic defaults on mortgages. Homeowners with negative equity are tempted simply to mail in their keys to their friendly lender even if they can afford the mortgage payment. Banks don't want to take the deflated properties onto their books because they will then have to declare a financial loss and still have to worry about maintaining the properties.

Little wonder foreclosure has not been enforced on a quarter of the people who haven't made a single mortgage payment in the last two years. A staggering 8 million home loans are in some state of delinquency, default, or foreclosure. Another 8 million homeowners are estimated to have mortgages representing 95 percent or more of the value of their homes, leaving them with 5 percent or less equity in their homes and thus vulnerable to further price declines. A huge percentage will never be able to catch up on their payment deficits.

The pace of foreclosures was briefly slowed by loan modifications brought on by government programs. Alas, the programs have not been working as hoped. Half of the borrowers have been redefaulting within 12 months, even after monthly payments were cut by as much as 50 percent. The foreclosure pipeline remains completely clogged. As it unclogs, a new wave of homes will come on the market and precipitate additional downward pressure on prices. The number of foreclosed homes put on the market by banks will be a more powerful influence on the further decline of home prices than either consumer demand or interest rates.

A well-balanced housing market has a supply of about five to six months. These days the supply is more than double that, as inventory backlog has surged to about a 12½ months' supply this summer, up from 8.3 months in May. This explains why average sale prices have been declining for so many, many months. The high end of the market, in particular, is under great pressure.

The mortgage market doesn't help. It is virtually on life support from the government, which now guarantees about 95 percent of the mortgage market. The rare conventional lenders are now actually insisting on a substantial down payment and making other more stringent financial requirements. Household formation is also shrinking now, down to an annual rate of about 600,000, compared to net household formation during the bubble years, when it was in excess of a million annually. The most critical factor subduing the demand for housing is that home ownership is no longer seen as the great, long-term buildup in equity value it once was. So it is not too difficult to understand why demand for housing has declined and will not revive anytime soon.

This is a disturbing development for those who believe that housing is going to lead America to an economic recovery, as it did during the Great Depression and then through every recession since. Each time, residential construction preceded the recovery in the larger economy. This time, in the Great Recession, a lead weight on recovery has been the disappearance of some $6 trillion of home equity value, a loss that has had a devastating effect on consumer confidence, retirement savings, and current spending. Every further 1 percent decline in home prices today lowers household wealth by approximately $170 billion. For each dollar lost in housing wealth, the estimate is that consumption is lowered by 5 cents or 5 percent. Add to this the fact that we are building a million-plus fewer homes on an annual basis from the peak years of the housing boom. With five people or more working on each home, we have permanently lost over 5 million jobs in residential construction.

That is why housing was such an important generator of normal economic recoveries. To give this context, residential construction was 6.3 percent of GDP at its recent peak in 2005 and 2006. It has fallen to the level of 2.4 percent this year. This is significant if you recognize that a 3 percent top-to-bottom decline in real GDP constitutes a serious recession.

Government programs to stimulate housing sales have not helped. There have been eight of them. One, which expired most recently (in the spring), was an $8,000 tax credit for housing contracts. All of these have done little more than distort the pattern of housing demand and actually pulled forward hundreds of thousands of units at the expense of future growth.

There is no painless, quick fix for this catastrophe. The more the government tries to paper over the housing crisis, and prevent housing from seeking its own equilibrium value in real terms, the longer it will take to find out what is true market pricing and then be able to grow from there.

The sad fact is that housing problems never left the recession of the last several years and it doesn't look as if they are going to leave anytime soon. The ultimate solution remains the same as the solution to the country's broader economic crisis. That is, getting millions of people back to productive work.

Mort Zuckerman September 24, 2010
 
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Goodness Mark. What a long posting!! Does anyone ever read that type of thing do you think?:)

In the great depression (1930's) which is where we are heading there were more millionaires made than at any time in history. This will repeat so the opportunities will be there.

If you want to know more about the economy and how you can protect yourself then send me a PM and I will give you a link to a documentary that everyone should watch now.

Market Update and The American Dream of Home Ownership Has Become a Nightmare

Sep 24, 2010

The article below is from self made billionaire (real estate and publishing) Mort Zuckerman, currently the publisher of US News and World Report. I’ve quoted Zuckerman in the past several times, and this is his most bearish report yet. We’ve never in history had a recovery in the economy without a recovery in housing, and as you will read, we seem to be getting further and further away from this possibility.

Every time I write about the reality of the housing market I depress myself. I am a home owner….I own investment properties…and I own raw land. And while I have a well thought out game plan for each (we have to live somewhere, I like rental income, and we will be building on riverfront property in 2011), I would much rather be talking about the coming recovery in housing…believe you me. But here’s the flip side; if my work can help VRA readers and WMI Members to make the best decision possible for themselves and their families, then I have done the right thing. And in this case, I see no recovery in the housing markets (US or globally) until 2015 at the earliest. And even then the days of watching our homes appreciate by 5-10% per year will likely not happen again in our lifetimes. Simply put, that’s what a massive deleveraging cycle and a world-wide Depression does to real estate values.

Here’s the article…and even after reading this, try and have a nice weekend.

Kip

The American Dream of Home Ownership Has Become a Nightmare

The disappearance of home equity value is a lead weight on the recovery

Why has housing been such a core element in the story of American civilization?

Culturally a decent house has been a symbol of middle-class family life. Practically, it has been a secure shelter for the children, along with access to a good free education. Financially it has been regarded as a safe store of value, a shield against the vagaries of the economy, and a long-term retirement asset. Indeed, for decades, a house has been the largest asset on the balance sheet of the average American family. In recent years, it provided boatloads of money to homeowners through recourse to cash-out refinancing, in effect an equity withdrawal from their once rapidly appreciating home values.

These days the American dream of home ownership has turned into a nightmare for millions of families. They wake every day to the reality of a horrible decline in the value of the home that has meant so much to them. The pressure to meet mortgage payments on homes that have lost value has been especially shocking—and unjust—for the millions of unemployed through no fault of their own. For the baby boomer generation, a home is now seen not as the cornerstone of advancement but a ball and chain, restricting their ability and their mobility to move and seek out a job at another location. They just cannot afford to abandon the equity they have in their homes—and they can't sell in this miserable market.

American homeowners have experienced an unprecedented decline in their equity net of mortgage debt. The seemingly never-ending fall in prices has brought an average decline of at least 30 percent. Furthermore, the country is now going through an unprecedented nationwide slide in sales, despite the fact that long-term mortgage interest rates nationwide plummeted recently to a record low of 4.3 percent before rising slightly. The result is that home occupancy costs for home purchases are now down to roughly 15 percent of family income, dramatically lower than the conventional, affordable figure of 25 percent of family income devoted to home occupancy costs. Yet new home sales, pending home sales, and mortgage applications are down to a 13-year low.

The economics of home ownership could hardly be more disastrously opposite to the expectations of generation after generation. Millions of homes have been foreclosed upon. About 11 million residential properties, or about 23 percent of such properties with mortgages, have mortgage balances that exceed the home's value. Given the total inventory, and the shadow inventory of empty homes, many experts expect prices to fall another 5 to 10 percent. That would bring the decline to 40 percent from peak-to-trough and expose an estimated 40 percent of homeowners to mortgages in excess of the value of their homes.

The growing risk of disappearing equity invites more strategic defaults on mortgages. Homeowners with negative equity are tempted simply to mail in their keys to their friendly lender even if they can afford the mortgage payment. Banks don't want to take the deflated properties onto their books because they will then have to declare a financial loss and still have to worry about maintaining the properties.

Little wonder foreclosure has not been enforced on a quarter of the people who haven't made a single mortgage payment in the last two years. A staggering 8 million home loans are in some state of delinquency, default, or foreclosure. Another 8 million homeowners are estimated to have mortgages representing 95 percent or more of the value of their homes, leaving them with 5 percent or less equity in their homes and thus vulnerable to further price declines. A huge percentage will never be able to catch up on their payment deficits.

The pace of foreclosures was briefly slowed by loan modifications brought on by government programs. Alas, the programs have not been working as hoped. Half of the borrowers have been redefaulting within 12 months, even after monthly payments were cut by as much as 50 percent. The foreclosure pipeline remains completely clogged. As it unclogs, a new wave of homes will come on the market and precipitate additional downward pressure on prices. The number of foreclosed homes put on the market by banks will be a more powerful influence on the further decline of home prices than either consumer demand or interest rates.

A well-balanced housing market has a supply of about five to six months. These days the supply is more than double that, as inventory backlog has surged to about a 12½ months' supply this summer, up from 8.3 months in May. This explains why average sale prices have been declining for so many, many months. The high end of the market, in particular, is under great pressure.

The mortgage market doesn't help. It is virtually on life support from the government, which now guarantees about 95 percent of the mortgage market. The rare conventional lenders are now actually insisting on a substantial down payment and making other more stringent financial requirements. Household formation is also shrinking now, down to an annual rate of about 600,000, compared to net household formation during the bubble years, when it was in excess of a million annually. The most critical factor subduing the demand for housing is that home ownership is no longer seen as the great, long-term buildup in equity value it once was. So it is not too difficult to understand why demand for housing has declined and will not revive anytime soon.

This is a disturbing development for those who believe that housing is going to lead America to an economic recovery, as it did during the Great Depression and then through every recession since. Each time, residential construction preceded the recovery in the larger economy. This time, in the Great Recession, a lead weight on recovery has been the disappearance of some $6 trillion of home equity value, a loss that has had a devastating effect on consumer confidence, retirement savings, and current spending. Every further 1 percent decline in home prices today lowers household wealth by approximately $170 billion. For each dollar lost in housing wealth, the estimate is that consumption is lowered by 5 cents or 5 percent. Add to this the fact that we are building a million-plus fewer homes on an annual basis from the peak years of the housing boom. With five people or more working on each home, we have permanently lost over 5 million jobs in residential construction.

That is why housing was such an important generator of normal economic recoveries. To give this context, residential construction was 6.3 percent of GDP at its recent peak in 2005 and 2006. It has fallen to the level of 2.4 percent this year. This is significant if you recognize that a 3 percent top-to-bottom decline in real GDP constitutes a serious recession.

Government programs to stimulate housing sales have not helped. There have been eight of them. One, which expired most recently (in the spring), was an $8,000 tax credit for housing contracts. All of these have done little more than distort the pattern of housing demand and actually pulled forward hundreds of thousands of units at the expense of future growth.

There is no painless, quick fix for this catastrophe. The more the government tries to paper over the housing crisis, and prevent housing from seeking its own equilibrium value in real terms, the longer it will take to find out what is true market pricing and then be able to grow from there.

The sad fact is that housing problems never left the recession of the last several years and it doesn't look as if they are going to leave anytime soon. The ultimate solution remains the same as the solution to the country's broader economic crisis. That is, getting millions of people back to productive work.

Mort Zuckerman September 24, 2010
 
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The demand for workers in the UK is to fill skill gaps in areas such as Healthcare, where Nurses are at a premium and in trade skills such as welders, bench joiners and fabricators as well as craft skills such as butchers and bakers.
 
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