What I have learned on this forum - Britain Beware
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Why do people post like this...surely they need to call the removal man ? What possible benefit is there to a post asking for a thread to be moved...is it an ego thing ? I think we should be told...otherwise I for one think it's just plain silly....no., not even that smart.
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This is why you think the people are rude on here, it's not that they are rude it's that you are condescending but yet confess to never having run a business but one achievement you decided to let us all in on was that you were sacked for bullying once. You then decided to jump I'm and basically tell us where we are all going wrong and as was pointed out by others, some of it was not even correct. So you then sit back and moan how you have been treated. Then again my mindset is probably why I do have a larger business as opposed to working for someone like you
Now why would you think I'm talking about you? I think you just dropped yourself in it.
Nice how you miss out things like the management degree, the years of experience in management, my performance in management, the fact certain individuals are totally unable to listen to advise by a qualified professional because it isnt what they want to hear.
Nice how you choose to pick a past story of bullying from years ago and use it in a manipulative manner to try and defend your behaviour on these forums while portraying me as not having a clue.
You must be a nightmare to work for.
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Yes, but we have mods to do all that stuff for us..surely mere free members cannot start shifting the threads...we don't have insurance for that. My point is that surely it's (you know, whisper)...a bit of a waste of anyone's energy !!
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Blood Lust, it's you that are not getting the point. You have a management degree, that is not the same as management experience. You work for a large company, miles away from a sme. Your role is very narrow and dictated, you don't make the decisions, you simply carry our procedures.
It's like Tesco managers thinking they know every thing about retail, they only know how to follow the rules as procedures set out in front of them, they don't have a clue how retail actually works.
That is the point that was being made that other thread. You can't bring corporate management to sme's. So don't think you know better than us small people because if I put you into my shop you wouldn't know where to start. And likewise if I was to take on your role.
It's like Tesco managers thinking they know every thing about retail, they only know how to follow the rules as procedures set out in front of them, they don't have a clue how retail actually works.
That is the point that was being made that other thread. You can't bring corporate management to sme's. So don't think you know better than us small people because if I put you into my shop you wouldn't know where to start. And likewise if I was to take on your role.
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In the nicest possible way Lee, what i last looked at your profile, you had made around 40 posts. (39 to be exact). Hardly a seasoned user.
The question is what were you expecting?
I know we tend to let off steam (yes me included) in the Time Out forum, but by and large and yes i will defend the UKBF here as i've been using it for years on and off is that when every i have needed advice, help, or a service, someone here has been willing and able to help.
I could say something else here, but i wont. atb
The question is what were you expecting?
I know we tend to let off steam (yes me included) in the Time Out forum, but by and large and yes i will defend the UKBF here as i've been using it for years on and off is that when every i have needed advice, help, or a service, someone here has been willing and able to help.
I could say something else here, but i wont. atb
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Lee,
I echo much of what others have said on this thread.
This is a great forum for anyone with an interest in business. I have found it to be a very good resource during the time I have been on here and I've picked up plenty of good advice and learnt a few things.
Some people only ever hang around long enough to make a handful of posts and get the advice they were after before they head off never to be seen again. There aren't many places where you can do that and get some great free advice from people who know what they are talking about.
Sure, there are a few on here who have been watching too many episodes of The Apprentice or Dragons' Den and think that being in business is all about being "ruthless" or just plain rude, but they are pretty few and far between really. Having said that, even those people often have some good advice to hand out.
The Time Out forum is also good fun and, although things sometimes get a bit heated on here, it's a welcome distraction from business talk.
I don't know of any UK business forum that is better than this one.
I echo much of what others have said on this thread.
This is a great forum for anyone with an interest in business. I have found it to be a very good resource during the time I have been on here and I've picked up plenty of good advice and learnt a few things.
Some people only ever hang around long enough to make a handful of posts and get the advice they were after before they head off never to be seen again. There aren't many places where you can do that and get some great free advice from people who know what they are talking about.
Sure, there are a few on here who have been watching too many episodes of The Apprentice or Dragons' Den and think that being in business is all about being "ruthless" or just plain rude, but they are pretty few and far between really. Having said that, even those people often have some good advice to hand out.
The Time Out forum is also good fun and, although things sometimes get a bit heated on here, it's a welcome distraction from business talk.
I don't know of any UK business forum that is better than this one.
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Dear gawd, I read this whole thread..... that'll teach me for sitting back with a cuppa
OP, and his gang of anonymous troll-like people.......what exactly did you expect?
Consider a few points, if you don't mind my ramblings:
1) The internet brings out all the armchair warriors, people who would never act/speak the same face-to-face, but who can be quite vociferous online and tbh you are sort of falling into that category from your posts.
2) Forums, by their nature, tend to get a very wide variety of gender, age, cultural, mental, intellectual, financial, geographical, etc, differences to which you have to give a little allowance before you expect everyone to behave exactly the same.
3) Regular contributors on here do give some great advice, advice I've used myself and which I had no idea where else to get (particularly given for free so willingly).....but they tend to get sick of the same questions every day, particularly silly questions, when the poster should really be capable of doing a basic search.
4) Human nature, busy people and long days tend to make some people a little narkier than others....it's life, live with it.
5) I see people giving strange advice daily, but is it not a sensible approach that anyone asking a question quantifies any answer without expecting the gospel from an anonymous person? Surely it is up to the individual to weed out the chaff from the wheat?
6) Calm down, take what you see as nothing personal, and you'll find the forum is fine
Oh, and they let women on here too.....that was always a bad idea
OP, and his gang of anonymous troll-like people.......what exactly did you expect?
Consider a few points, if you don't mind my ramblings:
1) The internet brings out all the armchair warriors, people who would never act/speak the same face-to-face, but who can be quite vociferous online and tbh you are sort of falling into that category from your posts.
2) Forums, by their nature, tend to get a very wide variety of gender, age, cultural, mental, intellectual, financial, geographical, etc, differences to which you have to give a little allowance before you expect everyone to behave exactly the same.
3) Regular contributors on here do give some great advice, advice I've used myself and which I had no idea where else to get (particularly given for free so willingly).....but they tend to get sick of the same questions every day, particularly silly questions, when the poster should really be capable of doing a basic search.
4) Human nature, busy people and long days tend to make some people a little narkier than others....it's life, live with it.
5) I see people giving strange advice daily, but is it not a sensible approach that anyone asking a question quantifies any answer without expecting the gospel from an anonymous person? Surely it is up to the individual to weed out the chaff from the wheat?
6) Calm down, take what you see as nothing personal, and you'll find the forum is fine
Oh, and they let women on here too.....that was always a bad idea
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Looks like Simon beat me to it which his comment above!
The reality is this forum is good to good people. If you come on here, like I did, with genuine ideas, a real desire to make them work and, most importantly, the ability to learn from others and accept their advice and greater experience with a bit of humility you can get an awful lot out of it. If you come on here ranting away, or try and argue points with qualified experts on the matter, or ask for advice and then fail to take any of it and insist that you are right (in which case what is the point in asking anyway?) then it can be a bit of a blunt place. But I think it's much fairer that way than that people encourage bad ideas, or people to do things which will not go well for them. That would be like those poor folk you see getting up on the X Factor who've been told by their family that they're brilliant singers so as not to hurt their feelings, only to be humiliated in front of the nation on tv, and a crowd of several thousand when it was being filmed.
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Dear gawd, I read this whole thread..... that'll teach me for sitting back with a cuppa
OP, and his gang of anonymous troll-like people.......what exactly did you expect?
Consider a few points, if you don't mind my ramblings:
1) The internet brings out all the armchair warriors, people who would never act/speak the same face-to-face, but who can be quite vociferous online and tbh you are sort of falling into that category from your posts.
2) Forums, by their nature, tend to get a very wide variety of gender, age, cultural, mental, intellectual, financial, geographical, etc, differences to which you have to give a little allowance before you expect everyone to behave exactly the same.
3) Regular contributors on here do give some great advice, advice I've used myself and which I had no idea where else to get (particularly given for free so willingly).....but they tend to get sick of the same questions every day, particularly silly questions, when the poster should really be capable of doing a basic search.
4) Human nature, busy people and long days tend to make some people a little narkier than others....it's life, live with it.
5) I see people giving strange advice daily, but is it not a sensible approach that anyone asking a question quantifies any answer without expecting the gospel from an anonymous person? Surely it is up to the individual to weed out the chaff from the wheat?
6) Calm down, take what you see as nothing personal, and you'll find the forum is fine
Oh, and they let women on here too.....that was always a bad idea
Women what ever next - they will be wanting us to have babies next
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The only problem here Lee is that you can't see the whole of the forum, only the free areas. The attitude inside the private members areas is a lot different, mainly because the idiots are not paid members, and the people in there have paid.
now please don't think I am saying that paid members are better than free members because I am not. What I am saying is that the high quality posts on the main forum often get swallowed up by the low quality noise that is there. Unfortunately on an open forum you get some sad indivilduals who troll, they just join forums, and post drivel. They get banned, they then return. Technology is such that completely banning somone is nigh on impossible.
I do agree though that many members take a negative stance, that is just a sign of the times I think, because as the recession has gone on, I have noticed attitudes changing as the stress kicks in. I have witnessed this across society, on this forum, on my sports forum, and within sport and society (I am involved in running junior sport at a fairly decent level). we have noticed parental stress driven behaviour go up dramatically.
Sadly, there are also people who can only make themselves feel good, by putting others down. Fact of life
I'm not sure about this reply and especially to blame it on the effect the recession is having on 'society'.
As way of an example, when I was a paid member, I think I started a post (or it might of been cornishsteve) in the Private Section regarding a new forum subsection for young entrepreneurs (16-18yr olds, junior members). An outlet for them to express ideas, ask questions they may feel too intimated or silly to ask in the main areas of the forum and a way for members to give support, advice and encouragement. I couldn't believe the negative attitude towards this idea, it was slated. To me that spoke volumes.
There was no recession then.
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I recall the suggestion on a forum for young entrepreneurs, i was an advocate of it. One that was done to death. Though i am still not convinced of the reasoning (if i can recall now what it was), it would not be me left to moderate it.
At the end of the day i am on the committee helping to improve this place, and though this seems to have gone quiet, i am sure all views wont have fallen of deaf ears.
no forum is ever going to be perfect, but for a place which is free where you can get advice on law, accountancy, or even IT, which would normally cost a fortune down other channels, this place is a godsend.
Hence why i keep coming back. It was at the end of the day what we all make of it.
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Hello,
I must say i disagree in most of what you had to say, i am also a newbie on this site and has done 2 serious posts and i found the information and critique very valuable, i am glad i joined and i will most certainly be posting more in the future.
What i think however that is there are a lot "BAD" business ideas out there and that's just the way of life and i doubt much that you will find Steve Jobs Jr on here posting about Patent infringements and coding etc.
Anyhow have a god day and give it some more chance
Tor
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Actually.
I've read this whole thread and then I went and read the OP's posts on the threads he's contributed to.
There's not a lot to complain about there, and he does make some reasoned points regarding some of the trash that's posted here.
So maybe he got pished off with some of the feedback and opened this thread but it's better than voting with your feet and never coming back without saying anything.
I've read this whole thread and then I went and read the OP's posts on the threads he's contributed to.
There's not a lot to complain about there, and he does make some reasoned points regarding some of the trash that's posted here.
So maybe he got pished off with some of the feedback and opened this thread but it's better than voting with your feet and never coming back without saying anything.
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Debatable!
How often do these threads come up - once a month?
Do they solve anything - NO!
What are the mods going to do, send electric shocks down the villains key boards
and fry them to death.You have got several choices.
Stay off the forum, put the trolls into your blocked senders list, report them or go on a long vacation.
Poppy ~xx~
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Debatable!
How often do these threads come up - once a month?
Do they solve anything - NO!
What are the mods going to do, send electric shocks down the villains key boards
You have got several choices.
Stay off the forum, put the trolls into your blocked senders list, report them or go on a long vacation.
Poppy ~xx~
So your way of dealing with it is the way everyone else should deal with it?
That's basically what you're saying isnt it?
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I am saying - sort it out without posting these pointless threads.
If anyone cares to spend the time using the search facility they will see countless threads like this one - all going nowhere - usually from newer members.
Have you become physic in your old age?
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No however it's the same old routine these days. Someone steps up and complains about something either rightly or wrongly and is immediately mobbed.
They have as much right to complain about how things work as you have to not bother to reply in the thread. Advice you yourself have given to others before.
Please take your own advice.
They have as much right to complain about how things work as you have to not bother to reply in the thread. Advice you yourself have given to others before.
Please take your own advice.
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The things he has complained about though he has done exactly the same on this thread. Also you yourself get fed up with ridiculous threads where they either want it all handed on a plate or when they don't get the answers they want they turn. I personally think he was a bit out of order considering he has been here such a short time. As I have said before there is some marvellous and FREE advice but also fools are not suffered that gladly.
Feel free to tell me I'm wrong but I will report you
You're the snitch I knew it!
Yes you're right he could have dealt with some of the replies differently.
I daren't disagree with you because if you reported me and I was banned my life would be over.
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Oh I love a good debate - wouldnt this place be boring if we were all the same, spouting the same answers in the same manner!!
Oh and of course, one does have to remember that this is the written word, done from mostly people anon (again that amuses me) so have no come back on them - so of course you are going to get pith and carp sometimes .... might I suggest that someone who takes everything as gospel they read on this place - ain't really cut out to succeed in business - by all means take on board what is said - but then do some due dil as well!
Long live the small ones, the mouthy ones, the big ones, the up their own arses ones, the quiet ones, the insecure ones (me, me, me people!) and of course the idiots - for without them life would sure be dull!
Oh and of course, one does have to remember that this is the written word, done from mostly people anon (again that amuses me) so have no come back on them - so of course you are going to get pith and carp sometimes .... might I suggest that someone who takes everything as gospel they read on this place - ain't really cut out to succeed in business - by all means take on board what is said - but then do some due dil as well!
Long live the small ones, the mouthy ones, the big ones, the up their own arses ones, the quiet ones, the insecure ones (me, me, me people!) and of course the idiots - for without them life would sure be dull!
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Maybe because I am struggling to find any real business owners, just people who like to pretend - and act macho in front of their computer.
See I never claimed to have a business - I let you guys do that.
I always hang out in 'time out' these days, which I might add is for non business related stuff - so what is your complaint.
As for shut up and put up - such strong, forceful well written words, how ever did you think of them.
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If I was lying I think I could invent something far more glamorous than a struggling security business and property maintenance/general builders
Ha, bugger I've just realised I'm doing it all wrong.
I will now reveal myself - I'm really Richard Branson.
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It seemed appropriate!
The last "and up" shouldn't have been there - try entering a post on a mobile, not easy and certainly wasn't done in haste!
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