What global warming?

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Funny thing is the second hottest summer we have ever had was 60 years ago.

Earl


Global warming doesn't necessarily mean that summers in relatively small areas will be hotter. It does mean that average temperatures over the planet as a whole are rising. (In the UK have we had any severe winters recently?) Many people think this will (and is) causing more extremes of climate.

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Global warming doesn't necessarily mean that summers in relatively small areas will be hotter. It does mean that average temperatures over the planet as a whole are rising. (In the UK have we had any severe winters recently?) Many people think this will (and is) causing more extremes of climate.

Barrie

call me narrow minded but my main concern is how the weather is in Kent ,as that has far more effect on me than bits of ice melting in the polar regions ,plus I live on a cliffe so a few extra metres of the wobbly stuff ain't gonna bother me.:D:rolleyes:

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I think it's all a load of crap if I'm honest. That's just my opinion.

Our carbon emissions compared to the natural world are tiny. A single Volcanic eruption or large natural event can do much more change to the climate compared to many years of our man-made emissions. They've been happening for thousands of years.

The average temperature of the earth over hundreds of years actually goes in parallel with the flare measurements of the sun. We've went up and down through very hot periods and very cold periods for millions of years and that's not going to change. We're most likely working towards something we cannot fix if the Earth's temperature is heading for a natural rise.

I do think waste management and recycling is good though. We do need to preserve resources at least until we can manage on sustainable energy.
 
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Dangerous occupation I know, but I've been thinking. What would be the impact of windmills on our climate? I wish I understood more about the science of weather patterns; maybe others here can enlighten me.

Everything tends towards maximum entropy, right? For example, if we leave open the fridge door, the temperatures in the room and in the fridge become the same. In other words, entropy rids us of hot and cold extreme in order to give us warm - and over time, warm becomes warmer.

So what happens to our climate if we erect hundreds of thousands of large windmills around the world? Would this slowly undermine the processes that bring us differences in pressure? Instead of periods of calm and periods of wind, would we end up with a slight breeze everywhere - with slight becoming even slighter over time? In other words, would the presence of windmills minimise pressure extremes and hence reduce the amount of usable wind around the world? Or is wind too closely linked to the earth's rotation to be affected by anything we do?
 
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Global warming is the increase in the average measured temperature of the Earth's near-surface air and oceans since the mid-20th century, and its projected continuation.

The average global air temperature near the Earth's surface increased 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 ± 0.32 °F) during the 100 years ending in 2005.[1] The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes "most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-twentieth century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (man-made) greenhouse gas concentrations"[1] via an enhanced greenhouse effect. Natural phenomena such as solar variation combined with volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect from 1950 onward.[2][3]

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Antartica is NOT land
If you believe it is, find me the evidence ;-)

Sorry but people are going to have to forgive something which will sound snobbish... but...

... whenever I've encountered debates on global warming/climate change, there has been a marked correlation between an inability to spell and the in-denial 'tendency'...
 
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Sorry but people are going to have to forgive something which will sound snobbish... but...

... whenever I've encountered debates on global warming/climate change, there has been a marked correlation between an inability to spell and the in-denial 'tendency'...
If you knew Al, you'd know that his spelling bears no relation to his abilities. In the past, I've been guilty of picking people up over spelling, but I learned my lesson. For some, spelling can be problematic; in no way does it undermine their credibility.
 
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Sorry but people are going to have to forgive something which will sound snobbish... but...

... whenever I've encountered debates on global warming/climate change, there has been a marked correlation between an inability to spell and the in-denial 'tendency'...

To True here's a right bunch of social misfits here,can't spell to save there lives.

http://www.dyslexia.com/qafame.htm


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And now Al Gore has gone off the deep end. It's not enough for his party to ban drilling for oil and to refuse to build nuclear power stations. The man's now called for civil disobedience to prevent the construction of a new coal-fired power station. Does he want to send the developed world back to the medieval ages?
 
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Did anyone see the recent climate wars series on BBc2, Sunday nights? I was skeptical about the man made green house effect and now i'm absolutely convinced that we have nothing to do with global warming. Im also convinced that the series was a propaganda exercise to convince the mass public that we are to blame and that we should pay higher taxes. In case you didnt see the programme, it focused on the fact that there has been an increase in CO2 emmissiions and that the earth is now the warmest its ever been which was evidenced by the hockey stick graph. if any of you are interested in the hockey stick graph type the following into google "what is the hockey debate about" I look forward to the time when this hopeless theory is laid to rest
 
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Not the judges, the Jury. It was a perverse verdict from many peoples' POV but the ability to come to an independant verdict is a strength of our system of being tried by a jury of our peers. This is more important than one wacko verdict, no?

Would this be the same peers who went into hysterical meltdown over the death of the peoples Princess.

Trial by emotion is not a very balanced legal system.

I would rather take my chances with 3 properly trained judges who looked at the legal aspect of a case.

Not a bunch of refugee's from Big Brother.

Earl
 
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Would this be the same peers who went into hysterical meltdown over the death of the peoples Princess.

Trial by emotion is not a very balanced legal system.

I would rather take my chances with 3 properly trained judges who looked at the legal aspect of a case.

Not a bunch of refugee's from Big Brother.

Earl

That is called been sectioned. Be careful what you wish for...:)
 
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I agree with Jenni, whether global warming is happening or not, and disregarding the hype, is it right to bury millions of plastic bags of rubbish in the ground? Is it right to keep on taking all the natural resources from our planet and not putting it back? Is it right to throw chemicals into the air & water streams - the lifeblood of the planet we live on?

Surely we all have a duty to care about the world we live in and minimise our impact on the environment.

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I don't think anyone has an issue with living on a clean planet, its just that some are stick and tired of paying increased taxes because of this 'global warming' lie which is being fed to us. There is no evidence that human activity has warmed the planet - in fact the earth cooled by 0.7 of a degree this year, which is a real blow for the global warming brigade.
 
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If there had been a version of our modern media around during the last great ice age, would there have been a "Global Warming Catastrophe Looms" headline?

It's a natural hot-cold cycle, on a scale too massive for us mere humans to comperehend and the piffling little time we have been keeping statistics for, as a percentage sample of the whole, would be utterly ignored by any statistician worth his salt.

That said, I think we do have an obligation to be "kinder" to the planet in so many ways. I don't want my 'footprint' to be bigger than my foot when I finally shuffle off this mortal coil.
 
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It doesn't matter if pop stars are on a bandwagon flying in their private jets or that many people act green but aren't. This may all be true but it's irrelevant to the issue.

Just follow the money - it's in the interests of big business to make claims that global warming isn't a man made problem.

These claims are not being made to make a killing on selling a few hessian bags for life.
 
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I hear al gore is doing very nicely out of global warming, trying to buy the right to the .eco domain names ( and viciously slagging off competitors in the process ), making billions of dollars selling carbon offests ( or whatever they are ) , what a slimy reptile he is, hasnt the scumbag got more than enough money (100s of millions at least , probably billions ).
 
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We've had a very small number of hurricanes/named tropical storms this season, which probably indicates significant cooling in the oceans (since this is where their power comes from). We've enjoyed a significantly cooler summer this year, and I've heard the same from friends and colleagues in other cities. Admittedly, this is anecdotal evidence, but none of the dire prophecies on global warming are coming true. Is anyone surprised?

As you rightly point out, Al Gore is in this to make a personal fortune. He's even convinced his cronies in the current US administration to give him many millions in tax payer money to subsidise a car company he's running in Finland. Meanwhile, he drives around in a gas-guzzling SUV, and his personal mansion is renowned for eating up a lot of energy. Sorry, but the man's a total hypocrite.
 
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I've never personally believed much about Global Warming. The temperature of the Earth has fluctuated up and down for millions of years, and we've had ice ages and periods where the earth is too hot for human life. Volcano's and many other natural forces also produce considerably more co2 than any kind of Human output.

So, I do think it's a swindle. It's only been under 100 years since the human race has industrialised and started to produce significant co2, so it seems a bit ridiculous that we've produced enough co2 to blanket cover the Earth and increase the temperature of it by a few degrees (which in these terms is a hell of a lot). The actual amount of land covered by the Human population is only a very small percentage.

I personally think the Earth can handle it. Mind you, perhaps in future it could become an issue. There's no limitations to how much co2 the human population can produce as it grows. I'm all for changing the use of fuels because we're running out of resources, and if that reduces carbon emissions in the process, then that's of course a welcome bonus.
 
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I definitely believe that we are suffering some severe climate changes, but I'm not sure about what causes these changes. I tend to think that pollution and the lack of respect for the environment plays a big role, or these climate changes can be just part of the evolution of our planet.
 
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I Am Making More Of An Effort To Be Kind To The Planet Because Its The Right Thing To Do,what Drives Me Crazy Is People Like Al Gore Making A Hell Of Alot Of Money Out Of "global Warming" Whilst Preaching ,but At The Same Time Doing Nothing Green At All.
 
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Osh Tosh B'Gosh...

It's all politics and frankly nobody could give a damn, what US President or other leader would be voted back into office on the next term if voters were made to give up their modern comforts. None...

Visit any local authority building in the UK, there are recycling bins everywhere and water coolers, the water which comes from a tap has a far lower carbon footprint than the supply chain of such an item... the heating or aircon will be up at a high level but the windows are probably open in all the offices, the car park is full from all the working parents whom dropped off their kids at school. And yet even with all that waste of resources...

The accumulated farts from cattle are more damaging to the environment, where "yes" they are actually making low emission feeds for cattle at the moment whilst others lobby for grass fed stock, organics. With luck morth nature will sort it all out, taking the PC lobby and Social Worker / Do-Gooder types out first. :p
 
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Read a very interesting article today. Rather than quote the whole thing, here are the more pertinent parts:

It was unseasonably cold in Madison, Wisconsin over the weekend, too. But those who attended the annual meeting of the Society of Environmental Journalists didn't notice. The keynote speaker was former Vice President Al Gore. Mr. Gore is the world's most famous advocate of the theory of anthroprogenic (man-made) global warming. In his book, "An Inconvenient Truth," and his movie of the same name, Mr. Gore warned mankind faces catastrophe if drastic steps aren't taken immediately to slash our emissions of carbon dioxide.

Mr. Gore is someone only a liberal could regard as an expert on climate change. He took exactly two science courses as an undergraduate at Yale, scoring a D in Natural Sciences 6, and a C in Natural Sciences 118. Mr. Gore's paucity of qualifications may be why he refuses to debate scientists who challenge his thesis. And he rarely answers questions after giving one of his alarmist speeches. Mr. Gore did so in Madison, perhaps because he assumed the audience was friendly.


But in the audience was Irish filmmaker Phelim McAleer, who asked him about a 2007 finding by a British judge that "An Inconvenient Truth" is riddled with scientific errors.
Justice Michael Burton had to rule on the veracity of Mr. Gore's claims because a parent objected to having the film shown in schools. He found nine "significant errors" made in "the context of alarmism and exaggeration." Screening the film in British secondary schools violated laws barring the promotion of partisan political views in the classroom, Justice Burton said.

When Mr. McAleer asked Mr. Gore what he was doing to correct the errors Justice Burton identified, Mr. Gore, after much stammering, said: "the ruling was in favor of showing the movie in schools." That response was technically true, but evasive. Justice Burton said "An Inconvenient Truth" could be shown, but only if Mr. Gore's "one-sided" views were balanced. When Mr. McAleer pressed Mr. Gore on his evasion, the Society of Environmental Journalists cut off his microphone and escorted him away. There was a time when journalists applauded when one of their own spoke truth to power. But in the Society of Environmental Journalists, relevant facts must be suppressed if they clash with the party line.

But reality is making it more difficult for journalists to protect Mr. Gore and other alarmists from scrutiny, and there are defections from the Praetorian Guard. As the Society of Environmental Journalists was silencing Mr. McAleer, Paul Hudson, climate correspondent for the once firmly alarmist BBC, was asking "What happened to global warming?" The warmest year on record, Mr. Hudson noted, was 1998, 11 years ago. The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been increasing, but temperatures have not. This is something the computer models on which Mr. Gore and other alarmists rely said was impossible. Satellite data indicate the planet cooled significantly from 2007 to 2008, said Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama at Huntsville. This winter figures to be the coldest in decades, says the Farmer's Almanac. The ice sheets in the Arctic and Antarctic are getting thicker. Dr. Mojib Latif, a scientist on whom the UN relied heavily for its original alarmist forecasts, now says the planet will cool for the next 20 years.

As the evidence moves decisively against them, alarmists are escalating their rhetoric. Britain's Prince Charles -- whose academic credentials are even weaker than Al Gore's -- told business leaders in Brazil we have less than 100 months to avert climate catastrophe.

Some people just can't see the wood for the (snow-covered) trees.
 
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As somebody said earlier in the thread, doing the basics is the right thing to do. It sits right with me , but all the other crap we are force-fed is beginning to really rile me!.

Simple ways to aid our waste production such as Polybatch® DEG 68, it is a highly concentrated masterbatch which can be added to Polyethylene to catalyse degradation under the influence of sunlight and/or heat, should be used as a matter of course, even it it means the litter we all see on the side of roads etc diminishes, it will make for a tidy place. And I for one would take tidy over Al Gore and his disiciples!
 
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Could it be just as simply as the Sun getting warmer. As it has done in the past?

yeah, temperature is really warmer.. it's even hard to stay outside even during 8-9 in the morning.. it feels it's already 1pm! And some small islands here in our country are really sinking... and tides are higher compared before...

And yes climate change has brought power storms specially this year.. almost 3 in a row this past few months.. non-stop floods and landslides...

hey let's do our part..
 
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    In truth it's both possible to make the claim that the planet is warming and that it's down to us and also that it's not.

    What's important is to get a view on the balance of the arguments. So far the balance is overwhelmingly in favour of 'it's getting warmer and it's our fault'. The (intelligent) contra arguments are actually few and fairly weak in comparison.

    Added to that, it's really hard to argue against reducing pollution regardless of the warming issue - it makes sense in its own right.

    I'd like to see both sides of the argument trying to behave in a rational manner though - in the end this is a matter of science and fact, not belief and eventually we'll get to the truth of it.

    And so it goes.
    (that's for you, Dawg 5)
     
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