What global warming?
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i often wonder if we are ment to take gas and oil from the earth.
in nature things live off other things.some times one will destroy the other.sometimes they work together.
a cat will kill a bird.but i does not worry as there are mice to eat.
it does not kill the bird with the knowledge that doing so could threat its own life.it knows there are other meals to sustain its life cycle.
some sharks have little fishy wishys that swim with it,cleaning parasites off its skin.in return the shark keeps predators away from the ickle fishes.the work together .
what if the earth needs humans to take gas and oil from it to prevent it doing things?
in return for us doing so it supplies us with things we need to progress.
i also think sometimes that the earth is sun bathing.after a certain time it needs to "move" or "turn around".in doing so it regenerates those parts that have been browned off.shading them to tan the other parts that were shaded .
these are only my thoughts that may well be aload of baloney.
in nature things live off other things.some times one will destroy the other.sometimes they work together.
a cat will kill a bird.but i does not worry as there are mice to eat.
it does not kill the bird with the knowledge that doing so could threat its own life.it knows there are other meals to sustain its life cycle.
some sharks have little fishy wishys that swim with it,cleaning parasites off its skin.in return the shark keeps predators away from the ickle fishes.the work together .
what if the earth needs humans to take gas and oil from it to prevent it doing things?
in return for us doing so it supplies us with things we need to progress.
i also think sometimes that the earth is sun bathing.after a certain time it needs to "move" or "turn around".in doing so it regenerates those parts that have been browned off.shading them to tan the other parts that were shaded .
these are only my thoughts that may well be aload of baloney.
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I think the term is Synergy.
It's a slightly romantic way of looking at the world but interesting none the less. I don't think the oil was put there for a reason, we know it was created by fossil decay over millions of years, thing is, it's still being created but we just don't know how fast.
Personally I think the world is reasonably self-regulating but we keep interfering - there are millions of starving people, we keep seeing the adverts on tv, but rather than have them move on or die out, they get money (well some) to enable a false existence to be propagated. It's clear the land they live on can't sustain them.
The world is most likely overpopulated but technology has given us the ability to control many diseases that would likely have wiped out tens of millions of people, is it right or wrong? We can now save babies that naturally would have not survived, is it right or wrong? Is technology the real problem or is the people that are the problem?
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As your quoting films, if you haven't yet seen "An Inconvenient Truth" then do so. Maybe a few years old but what was predicted seems to be happening, i.e. extreme weather, melting of the polar ice caps.... I think the term Global Warming can be a bit of a misnomer, you just have to experience a British Summer to known that it's just doesn't apply! Climate Change is better. I believe the problem exists but the solution requires radical, long-term thinking. The reliance on fossil fuels and the tax benefits associated with it is well known but rather than seeking and investing in alternatives (and generating jobs) the countries of the world (OK the USA) are still intent on searching high and low for the next supply. The governments aren't ignorant of Climate Change, they just lack the courage to deal with it, and here we can discuss the corruption that exists.
My advice - buy a house with land, on a hill, so that you can farm your own crops and not get flooded by the meltwaters. Because nothing is going to be done until its too late
My advice - buy a house with land, on a hill, so that you can farm your own crops and not get flooded by the meltwaters. Because nothing is going to be done until its too late
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This green thing really starts to 'get my goat'!
The planet has gone through many changes, long before the Industrial Revolution - when fossil fuels (for example) started to be used in any vast quantity - for example the Ice Age...
I would suspect that there is more natural emissions coming from a cow's backside - or some of the hot air on here that is causing more (natural...) pollution.
Green Tax = Stealth Tax - pure and simple...
Oh, (says the Government...) lets put the car tax up so it will reduce pollution...
HOW?? Do they place orders with BOC to pump oxygen into the atmosphere? NO!! - it just gets more money in the coffers !
This (and any other Government) will not 'kill the goose that lays the golden egg' - they want people to use their cars less - but still want the excessive duty from the petrol, road tax, MOT fees, insurance premium tax etc....the words 'cake' and 'eat it' spring to mind !
So while all of the new 'industrial powerhouses' India and China for example, get on with doing business and having a thriving economy, we shall be sat in the dark, cold in our homes, with no industry or money in our back pockets - ...but at least we will feel better about been 'green'
It's a load of crap - the lot of it !
The planet has gone through many changes, long before the Industrial Revolution - when fossil fuels (for example) started to be used in any vast quantity - for example the Ice Age...
I would suspect that there is more natural emissions coming from a cow's backside - or some of the hot air on here that is causing more (natural...) pollution.
Green Tax = Stealth Tax - pure and simple...
Oh, (says the Government...) lets put the car tax up so it will reduce pollution...
HOW?? Do they place orders with BOC to pump oxygen into the atmosphere? NO!! - it just gets more money in the coffers !
This (and any other Government) will not 'kill the goose that lays the golden egg' - they want people to use their cars less - but still want the excessive duty from the petrol, road tax, MOT fees, insurance premium tax etc....the words 'cake' and 'eat it' spring to mind !
So while all of the new 'industrial powerhouses' India and China for example, get on with doing business and having a thriving economy, we shall be sat in the dark, cold in our homes, with no industry or money in our back pockets - ...but at least we will feel better about been 'green'
It's a load of crap - the lot of it !
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True and I think that it's arrogant of the human race to believe that they can change Mother Nature, but by the same token the additional carbon in the atmosphere has been shown to be affecting climate and the acidity of the seas. Man-made or natural? Who can really know for sure but its clear we are not helping.
Too right!!
The problem is that much of this methane from natural and manufactured sources is safely stored in the Arctic permafrost. A rise in temperature melts the permafrost and ha-presto the old farts are released. Couldn't agree with you more. The emphasis is always on hitting those that can lease afford it and do not have the political power to change things. So individuals who have no option to drive to work (because there are no buses) and businesses that need there supplies delivered to them are the ones the suffer. But the big fossil fuel industries, the ones that cause the pollution, that spoil the environment and pay relatively small fines when they screw up, they get government subsidies to make them more profitable and they lobby governments to ensure that they get all the tax breaks they can get. They are the ones the governments should be focusing their attention on not the little guy!
Back to the bovine products again!
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is it not normal for the methane to be locked in ice then released then locked back in then released and so on?
how much was locked in when the ice age was at its peak?
how much has been released since the melt started ?
it seems to me that far more has been released since the start of the melt than is left.
my mind cannot comprehend that if the ice was all over europe loaded with methane (im guessing it had methane in it) that the amounts left since the retreat of ice could possibly do any damage.
im sure dinosaurs trumped as much if not more than cows
how much was locked in when the ice age was at its peak?
how much has been released since the melt started ?
it seems to me that far more has been released since the start of the melt than is left.
my mind cannot comprehend that if the ice was all over europe loaded with methane (im guessing it had methane in it) that the amounts left since the retreat of ice could possibly do any damage.
im sure dinosaurs trumped as much if not more than cows
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Evening all
Something for Steve, the original poster (OP):
SECRET 28 'scientific experts' who Greened the BBC - Revealed!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/13/climate28_named_wtf/
I see its also on Watts up with that:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/12/breaking-the-secret-list-of-the-bbc-28-is-now-public/
So maybe you have seen it already.
Something for Steve, the original poster (OP):
SECRET 28 'scientific experts' who Greened the BBC - Revealed!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/13/climate28_named_wtf/
I see its also on Watts up with that:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/12/breaking-the-secret-list-of-the-bbc-28-is-now-public/
So maybe you have seen it already.
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coldest winter in a 100 years coming.... apparently
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/Coldest-winter-in-100-years-on-way
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/Coldest-winter-in-100-years-on-way
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Global warming is the unusually rapid increase in Earths average surface temperature over the past century primarily due to the greenhouse gases released by people burning fossil fuels.Global warming is not good for health and climate.When it comes to connecting the dots between climate change,extreme weather and health.
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I don't know whether or not global warming is happening or not (I'm not a scientist ), but I do support the governments green policy here in Scotland.
We personally have benefited out of the government green policy. We got several grants for solar panels, a number of grants for new boilers and we bought new 'eco' vans with ZERO road tax. My new car is £30 PA road tax also.
A friend of mine receives huge government green subsidies for the stuff he does.
If anything, it's costing the government money... Certainly not a 'stealth tax'.
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), but I do support the governments green policy here in Scotland.We personally have benefited out of the government green policy. We got several grants for solar panels, a number of grants for new boilers and we bought new 'eco' vans with ZERO road tax. My new car is £30 PA road tax also.
A friend of mine receives huge government green subsidies for the stuff he does.
If anything, it's costing the government money... Certainly not a 'stealth tax'.
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The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period (Medieval Climate Optimum).[1] While it was not a true ice age, the term was introduced into the scientific literature by François E. Matthes in 1939.[2] It has been conventionally defined as a period extending from the 16th to the 19th centuries,[3][4][5] or alternately, from about 1350 to about 1850,[6] though climatologists and historians working with local records no longer expect to agree on either the start or end dates of this period, which varied according to local conditions. NASA defines the term as a cold period between AD 1550 and AD 1850 and notes three particularly cold intervals: one beginning about 1650, another about 1770, and the last in 1850, each separated by intervals of slight warming.[7] The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report considered the timing and areas affected by the LIA suggested largely independent regional climate changes, rather than a globally-synchronous increased glaciation. At most there was modest cooling of the Northern Hemisphere during the period.[8]
Several causes have been proposed: cyclical lows in solar radiation, heightened volcanic activity, changes in the ocean circulation, an inherent variability in global climate, or decreases in the human population. Lower CO2 atmospheric concentrations found in Antarctic ice cores may have resulted from the colder global climate.
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Agree but nobody will listen, all got the blinkers on.
Lets spend £2bn on windfarms in Uganda
and something like £50m on stopping cows in Colombia from farting, i kid you not, you cannot make this stuff up, it takes a politician.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...n-of-UK-aid-to-help-Third-World-go-green.html
Quote" Each household will contribute £70 to schemes to tackle climate change in developing countries before March 2015, under plans championed by Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat Energy Secretary."
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Global Warming means that there has been a rise in the temperature of Earth due to increased level of carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide has a property that it doesn't let go of all the heat emitted by Sun, thus keeping Earth warm even in night. But due to industrialisation the level of carbon dioxide has increased, making the Earth warmer and this is Global Warming.
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"If anything, it's costing the government money... Certainly not a 'stealth tax'."
Pray do tell - from where does this free money come from? Not sure why we are bothering with "austerity measures" when there is all this free money wafting about .
What on earth are you talking about?
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Biggest scam we've seen in human history. It's all about money and scaring the public into believing that large government is needed to keep us safe
And how is the government getting bigger through these new green schemes?
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And where does that money come from? Tax payers and loans which future generations will be forced to pay including interest.
Government isn't and never has been free.
Nothing is free in life.
With that said I'm a big fan of clean energy such as solar panels, wind turbines etc I just don't believe the propaganda that is global warning (changed to "Climate Change" because they realized that the earths temperature goes up and down over hundreds of years - this way their term can falsely apply to both situations)
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And if we don't do something now, our future generations will have nothing, never mind more taxes!
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Not if you don't believe in the climate change theory.
These incentives they give away (from tax payers) is pennies compared to how much they make from taxing companies for CO2 emissions. This is the same government that has convinced us that flouride (a toxic by-product of the mining industry) in water is good for our teeth.
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I don't disbelief it. I support recycling, green energy and the rest for practical reasons. Fossil fuels are running out and we need to move away from it.
If the government want to give me money for putting solar panels, a wind turbine etc, I'm more than happy to go along with it! Makes perfect sense!
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I've said it many times before, Making ANY impact on a global problem (if there is one) is not going to be done by taxing the feck out of advanced countries just to off-set the muck being pumped out by those not so advanced (was some good old smog on the news at the weekend, Beijing i think). This issue (if there is one) MUST be tackled globally in one go, not piecemeal, and as that is never going to happen, then the issue will likely never go away.
Before i even entertained the thought of putting solar panels or a bloody big fan on the side of my house, i would want to know 100% that those items did not make more pollution in their construction than they will possibly save in their useful life. As no-one has published this data (that i know of, and from a trustworthy source) then i see no reason to do it.
The only info i did find once relating to small scale wind generators is that they are a waste of space and money and will never gain pay-back.
Before i even entertained the thought of putting solar panels or a bloody big fan on the side of my house, i would want to know 100% that those items did not make more pollution in their construction than they will possibly save in their useful life. As no-one has published this data (that i know of, and from a trustworthy source) then i see no reason to do it.
The only info i did find once relating to small scale wind generators is that they are a waste of space and money and will never gain pay-back.
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This is a great point but don't forget that the UK and America are pretty poor in terms of pollution, yes China is worse but countries you'd expect to be doing well to combat this aren't so good. I believe Sweden is one of the most "green" countries. They also have one of the best economies which says a lot.
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