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    I've lost most of my traffic now. I am totally lost with what needs to be done for SEO.

    All the ON page and OFF page optimization rules (that i've learnt for years), are they all off the shelf now?
     
    If you've lost most of your traffic, ditch seo and try alternative methods.

    Yup, I'm on a anti-seo mission this afternoon :D
     
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    Banned said:
    If you've lost most of your traffic, ditch seo and try alternative methods.

    Yup, I'm on a anti-seo mission this afternoon :D
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    The only thing i can think of is either i'll spent money on ppc which i am angry with google i am not quite sure if i want to or be heavy on social networks.. display ads etc maybe... but what else?
     
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    Depends on what and to whom you sell. Just remember you don't have to use the internet to get visitors to your site. Beyond that I'm not qualified to say really - unless your market is very similar to mine.
     
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    Banned said:
    Depends on what and to whom you sell. Just remember you don't have to use the internet to get visitors to your site. Beyond that I'm not qualified to say really - unless your market is very similar to mine.
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    Do you mean i don't have to get visitors from search engines ? if i can't drive the traffic from internet i don't know how i can do advertising in russia?
     
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    apricot said:
    Do you mean i don't have to get visitors from search engines ? if i can't drive the traffic from internet i don't know how i can do advertising in russia?
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    You only selling to Russian? If that's the case it should be a very simple task.
     
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    apricot said:
    Do you think i should hire a seo guy?
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    No.

    How many SEOs can still do SEO?

    There are some that can. Some that don't know whether they can. And there are a lot that, should the current rules stand, are completely busted.

    But those that appear to be busted... I bet they're still taking on clients.

    Don't be a sucker. Wait for the dust to settle.

    In the meantime, now is a good time to develop - and execute - that Plan B you should have had in place from the moment you started doing SEO.

    Steve
     
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    I built an alter to the The Google in my office.

    Every day at 1pm I light some incense and say the The Google prayer

    "I am a champion of unique, un-duplicated content.
    I am a thought leader in my industry and my social following reflects this.
    I do not employ link trickery; attempting to outsmart the The Google.
    For The Google is all-knowing, all-seeing and all-powerful.
    Please bless me with relevant traffic and low bounce rates."

    After this I do the Google Wave - a type of ceremonial dance that has long been forgotten.
     
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    maxh said:
    I built an alter to the The Google in my office.

    Every day at 1pm I light some incense and say the The Google prayer

    "I am a champion of unique, un-duplicated content.
    I am a thought leader in my industry and my social following reflects this.
    I do not employ link trickery; attempting to outsmart the The Google.
    For The Google is all-knowing, all-seeing and all-powerful.
    Please bless me with relevant traffic and low bounce rates."

    After this I do the Google Wave - a type of ceremonial dance that has long been forgotten.
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    What sort of improvements did you see?
     
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    maxh said:
    I built an alter to the The Google in my office.

    Every day at 1pm I light some incense and say the The Google prayer

    "I am a champion of unique, un-duplicated content.
    I am a thought leader in my industry and my social following reflects this.
    I do not employ link trickery; attempting to outsmart the The Google.
    For The Google is all-knowing, all-seeing and all-powerful.
    Please bless me with relevant traffic and low bounce rates."

    After this I do the Google Wave - a type of ceremonial dance that has long been forgotten.
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    :)))) Sounds fun, let me join you
     
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    RadiusBPO said:
    What sort of improvements did you see?
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    Well, one time, I sort of fell asleep at work.

    While sleeping Matt Cutts appeared in one of my dreams.

    He told me not to forget the old ways, that brought my ancestors so much success back in 2001.

    He told me to link for traffic, rather than PageRank.

    He told me to write content for people, not for machines.

    He told me that no matter where I was, Google knew, and was selling my preferences to the highest bidder.

    After the apparition I knew what I had to do.
     
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    maxh said:
    Well, one time, I sort of fell asleep at work.

    While sleeping Matt Cutts appeared in one of my dreams.

    He told me not to forget the old ways, that brought my ancestors so much success back in 2001.

    He told me to link for traffic, rather than PageRank.

    He told me to write content for people, not for machines.

    He told me that no matter where I was, Google knew, and was selling my preferences to the highest bidder.

    After the apparition I knew what I had to do.
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    Don't fall asleep at work.?

    Earl
     
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    apricot said:
    I've lost most of my traffic now. I am totally lost with what needs to be done for SEO.

    All the ON page and OFF page optimization rules (that i've learnt for years), are they all off the shelf now?
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    That depends on what you learnt. It's true that 'Search' is a fast paced game. What you learn now may be irrelevant in as little as 12 months time.

    But try to forget about Google, and focus on people. If you want to get traffic to your website, start creating quality content for your target market. Make some how-to videos on YouTube, write a free eBook or guide which your customers might find useful.

    Keep doing this, and people will naturally link to your site, driving even more traffic. SEO isn't rocket science, nor is it technical. It's just about being creative and working hard.
     
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    sirearl said:
    No wonder you fall asleep.:)

    Earl
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    I notice that it has remained unchanged.

    It's kind of like looking at someone who's glasses are always slightly askew, yet you cannot simply reach out and correct them.

    I hope we can come to some amicable agreement here. I would hate to file suit under the grounds of psychological torture.
     
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    Despite having a few good laughs whilst reading this thread, i have to add my little bit of "seriousness" into the conversation.

    I myself have not noticed any changes at all. Ok, scratch that - i did notice a drop in 1 of my clients sites but this was due to Googles own admission of an error and 48 hours later the rankings returned.

    One thing i have learnt from doing SEO for getting on for 9 years full time is dont change your procedure without doing testing yourself beforehand.

    What i mean by this is the OP has had an issue, but as i have not had such an experience i shall continue with my SEO process that i role out over many of my clients.

    However if you go down my route you need to ensure that you are still experimenting and testing on some "dummy domains"

    We have 32 (not sure why 32, very random number i know) active domains covering a wide variety of niches which all rank for top keywords in top 20 pages of Google - again i know this is not good ranking, but what we needed was domains spread over the search results so we could better understand how the algorithm works when its constantly changing.

    I myself believe pages related to things like how to lose weight loss, how to make money etc are on a totally different search results string to other things like replacement laptop battery, what is correct tyre pressure for volvo s40 etc....

    But before i make changes to how i serve these clients i will do extensive testing.

    There is no point making changes to something that is working for you but not for someone else. But once we do see proof that our process does have a negative impact we will know what has caused it alot better and be able to adapt faster

    Dont fix what isnt broken
    Dont believe everything you read in SEO forums
    Only believe what you can see for yourself
     
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    My website is one year old and my daily traffic was around 60 for the last we a few weeks it went down to 10 and now it is zero!!! No black hat or copy content I've only followed the SEO suggestions and all my work for a year gone to junk.. I don't even have keyword spam!!!

    I think all these just a mess nothing else and one thing that i know now is not too rely on Google

    PS: I have no intention to hire a SEO guy, please do not PM me.
     
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    we use Joomla websites with something called artio that is an SEO tool that automatically sets the SEO per page - you can adjust yourself if you want

    it has always worked out of the box for us and they update the software to meet the new google standards

    not sure what you have youyr website built on but always worth a look

    Also in our previous business we changed the website look and feel around 10 times in 3 years, basically each time the traffic slowed as customers want to see different content - we always got good feedback about the site changes and the business was a continuing success for 3 years of operation
     
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    Seo is actually very easy.

    The people who pay for it are mugs in my opinion.

    The trouble is people can't be arsed to properly understand it.
     
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    MASSEY said:
    The people who pay for it are mugs in my opinion.
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    Why? Why not pay a specialist?

    If my washing machine needs fixed, I don't study washing machine repair for months... I call the guy.

    I once put together a set of numbers that showed it's much cheaper to hire a pro to do SEO (assuming that "pro" can actually do SEO - lol) than to do it yourself.

    Because..

    Learning SEO in order to SEO just one site is like… learning to drive in order to take just one journey

    Steve
     
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    SteveGibson said:
    Why? Why not pay a specialist?

    If my washing machine needs fixed, I don't study washing machine repair for months... I call the guy.

    I once put together a set of numbers that showed it's much cheaper to hire a pro to do SEO (assuming that "pro" can actually do SEO - lol) than to do it yourself.

    Because..

    Learning SEO in order to SEO just one site is like… learning to drive in order to take just one journey

    Steve
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    I think google give everyone enough information, for free, so that people don't need the services of an seo.

    The trouble is people can't be bothered to understand it properly. If they were to understand it, they would see that paying an SEO is a bit of a frivolous business expense on something so easy.

    I would only advocate hiring an SEO if you don't have time to work on your own website or can't understand any of the google guides on it.

    Can an SEO Pro deliver quicker results than a website owner? Not if the website owner has understood googles free advice on SEO. Because SEO is by no means rocket science.

    Also, it's not as if hiring an SEO is something you can go about quickly. The SEO industry is up there with the most shark infested of waters bursting with people who want to take their customers money and move onto the next victim. And then we have the recent algorithm updates which have seen people penalised heavily for unnatural link profiles, all done by SEO "Pro's" .

    But this is ofcourse my opinion :D
     
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    Slow, quality link building is the way forward. Guest posts are in my opinion the most powerful at the moment as they aren't going to get you penalised like blog networks and automated methods.
     
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    WeblinkPlus said:
    Misleading at best. I've heard several third party stories of people being hit when they've been using guest posting only.
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    Ummm, OK mate. You give me a safer way to manually build a link than to approach the owner of a reputable, relevant website and write quality content for them in exchange for a link...... unless you disagree with Matt Cutts LMAO!

    You can get penalised with any form of link building if you don't do it right. Eg. "they've been using guest posting only"
     
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    marcoose said:
    Ummm, OK mate. You give me a safer way to manually build a link than to approach the owner of a reputable, relevant website and write quality content for them in exchange for a link...... unless you disagree with Matt Cutts LMAO!

    You can get penalised with any form of link building if you don't do it right. Eg. "they've been using guest posting only"
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    Matt Cutts is a propagandist. Believe everything/anything he says at your own risk.

    Mr Cutts has also made reference to on site 'over optimisation'. OWG cited a client/prospect who hadn't done any link building, but was penalised. I have a test site that was NukeX-ed and it still ranks... At this stage I'd be cautious of drawing any conclusions.
     
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    MASSEY said:
    Seo is actually very easy.

    The people who pay for it are mugs in my opinion.

    The trouble is people can't be arsed to properly understand it.
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    Arrgghh... and we are left to pick up the pieces of everybody who thinks they understand SEO and thinks it is easy!

    My dad was ran a building company, and he made a lot of money from DIYers who said that building was easy.

    'Nuff said.
     
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    marcoose said:
    You give me a safer way to manually build a link than to approach the owner of a reputable, relevant website and write quality content for them in exchange for a link...... unless you disagree with Matt Cutts LMAO!

    You can get penalised with any form of link building if you don't do it right. Eg. "they've been using guest posting only"
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    There is no safe way to manually build links. Period.
     
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    WeblinkPlus said:
    Matt Cutts is a propagandist. Believe everything/anything he says at your own risk.

    Mr Cutts has also made reference to on site 'over optimisation'. OWG cited a client/prospect who hadn't done any link building, but was penalised. I have a test site that was NukeX-ed and it still ranks... At this stage I'd be cautious of drawing any conclusions.
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    I actually believe very little that he, Fishkin or any SEO says but as far as I am concerned, if we are talking solely about links, the safest single type of link building is in content links on quality/relevant websites. Overdo it then you might get penalised. Overdo any link building then the same might happen.
     
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