Vaccine anyone?
- Thread starter Newchodge
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Yet we declared war in 1939 against Germany while we did what to Russia a few weeks later????
France did better than us. Their invasion of Germany in 1939 while the German army was in Poland was a masterpiece in poor military action.
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Interestedobserver
There was something else Justin said in the past (I forget now) that made me realise I was debating with someone of very limited IQ
We spend an awful lot of time in discussion with him that is in reality a waste of energy and time
I'm going to look at the ignore function for him as well
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Generally it is inadvisable to start being personal on a forum. Insults are even worse, what is it they say ? When someone starts insulting you they've usually lost the argument
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Justin I'm sorry. I just don't think you have the intelligence to understand half the stuff you are trying to debate. That's my honest opinion.
And it's draining.
And it's taken me this long to realise. So I'm disappointed with myself for wasting so much time answering you
Time for me to have another break from here I think
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Interestedobserver
Pretty much every Govt around the world is facing the same issues and problems as we do. The ones that are doing best right now are the ones that have the most severe and draconian restrictions.
The Govt in UK be they labour, conservative or anyone else would never win as we are a nation of complainers
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Yes they are. So why has our one got it so badly wrong after nearly a year of us all staying at home to build up the nhs?
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Interestedobserver
The ones that are doing well are either dictatorship style countries or have just stopped everyone coming in or out haven't they?
We got enough complaints just for closing pubs early!!
So I'm not defending them or praising them. Every decision they make at all upsets someone
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Let's say the government locked down really early and stopped all international travel, and then we didn't get such high infection rates.
I can absolutely guarantee you that we'd all be complaining that the measures were too harsh and unnecessary.
Just remember, we have a variant that is 40% more infectious than the strain that was dominant before Christmas.
I can absolutely guarantee you that we'd all be complaining that the measures were too harsh and unnecessary.
Just remember, we have a variant that is 40% more infectious than the strain that was dominant before Christmas.
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Australia and New Zealand did the latter, as did Thailand and Japan, and they're all doing quite well. That seems to have been the way to go.
But Heathrow is one of the biggest travel hubs in Europe, mostly transatlantic travel. And the unions would have screamed bloody murder.
I suppose it's all down to money.
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Interestedobserver
Not only would they have need to lockdown really early and hard
We would have had to keep our borders closed to this day
New Zealand and Australia don't have lorry drivers from here there and everywhere arriving all day every day with vital supplies do they?
Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong though!
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No, but lorry drivers don't tend to come into contact with many people, they mostly stay in their vehicles. I'd say they aren't a huge risk.
Aus and NZ did still allow freight in, via plane and sea. Obviously nowhere near as many people as lorry drivers.
Keeping the borders closed would seem to have caused far less damage to the economy than where we're at now.
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There may have been some argument for keeping the borders closed early on but as Simon has said, the horse has long since bolted. It seems utterly pointless now.
Personally, unless we were really going to go for it in a big way (nobody in or out unless they stay in an official quarantine centre at their own expense for two weeks....) it'd have got in sooner or later anyway and I'm unconvinced how much better off we'd be. The Czech republic is a good example of a country which clamped down hard at the beginning and seemed to have cracked it. But with no population immunity once the virus really got going they now have 4th highest death rate (per 100,000 pop) in the world. Once you start on "the NZ strategy" you have to stick to it, although their gamble has paid off because we now have vaccines quicker than almost anyone predicted and more effective (at preventing serious illness) than almost anyone predicted.
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You said it, and I agree with you 100%.
Such restrictions may be warranted for, say, a virus which might kill 1 in 50 and actually do it indiscriminately, but not for one which kills 1 in 200 and we know who is most at risk.
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Watched the Rugby over the weekend and was very amused by the teams lining up with the mandatory 2 meters between each player and I thought "How very correct" only for them to go into the team huddle immediately and a scrum within a minute. Then after 80 minutes of scrums, rucks, mauls, tackles and other intimate contact and very heavy breathing the game ended and they immediately went back to elbow touching and other anti-Covid practices.
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Watched the Rugby over the weekend and was very amused by the teams lining up with the mandatory 2 meters between each player and I thought "How very correct" only for them to go into the team huddle immediately and a scrum within a minute. Then after 80 minutes of scrums, rucks, mauls, tackles and other intimate contact and very heavy breathing the game ended and they immediately went back to elbow touching and other anti-Covid practices.
And there’s the hypocrisy of all this. Football the same. Is it a deadly virus or isn’t it?
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MikeHunter
That made me laugh.
Quite simply, if you look at the history of vaccination we have made great strides because of vaccines. My Mum started nursing just after the war. She worked with whole wards of children who had TB, Polio and Diphtheria, and were seriously ill. All conditions which have largely disappeared worldwide because of mass vaccination programmes. If she was alive today, she would be at the head of the queue when offered a vaccine herself, and would be encouraging people to take up the vaccine. There are a (very limited) group of people who shouldn't take one for medical reasons, but the vast majority of us have no excuse. Quite simply, its a civic duty to get vaccinated. You may be saving someone's life.
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If the Vaccine has such a clause then normal people will not be affected much by it(for eg. they would go through some allergic result or any side effect). But those who are patients or are already infected with any other disease must not prefer to get vaccinated now at this stage. As discussed earlier that the medical procedures and medication do have risks and side effects but if you consult with a professional you will get to know that they will explain to you about the reactions of medication before taking it only.
So in the end, I would recommend the normal people can go ahead and try vaccination with full information and guidance but not recommend it to a person who is not normal and is already going through any of the diseases. I would suggest them to consult their experts and only take the vitamins or food supplements that are less in their body so that their immune system not get affected by this covid strain.
So in the end, I would recommend the normal people can go ahead and try vaccination with full information and guidance but not recommend it to a person who is not normal and is already going through any of the diseases. I would suggest them to consult their experts and only take the vitamins or food supplements that are less in their body so that their immune system not get affected by this covid strain.
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Should that be the only consideration or should the risk to other members of the family AND the wider population also be a factor to consider?
I've had my first jab but prior to that had a huge bust-up with a long-term friend who sent me a host of videos of "Doctors" advising against it. Covid was a hoax, the NHS was going to commit genocide, my DNA was going to altered, my voice would devolve into grunts because it is made from Chimp serum, you name it - armageddon was a definite.
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Most people are dissatisfied with the way the govt have tackled Covid.
Some think they have been too lax, some think they've been too draconian.
But we can all agree they have done a fantastic job with the vaccines.
I just hope that isn't all thrown away by just moving the goalposts so we're no further forward to where we want to be : back to normal.
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Interestedobserver
Saw a report yesterday that specifically commented on people accusing the Govt and scientists of moving the goalposts
The report made it clear that actually it's Covid and in particular new variants that are causing goalposts to be moved
We have to adjust vaccines and plans as we learn more
But everyone has the same end goal
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I didn't know that you were a cougar
PS. My son aged 21 had his jab on Monday. He is autistic but I didn't realise that was a virus health risk
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I probably should know better than to contribute to this discussion, but I can't forget what I've seen over the last year or so, but that's mainly because I'm curious and started looking into this whole thing in quite a lot of detail, and as always, if you follow the money, you'll get somewhere near the truth.
Obviously the true stats are starting to dribble out. American news networks started reporting on info from the CDC which is shocking - the amount of people who were not killed by Covid, but included in the stats. They have started reporting it here also now. PHE including you in their list months after a test, even if you were killed crossing the road.
The same Pharma people are driving this as have driven other endless treatments over cures so it's no real surprise that people have been massively profiteering over this.
I think at the end of the day if you think you need a vaccine then take it. There is no cure or 100% effectiveness so I'm not really sure how it changes anything, will you accept just a lower risk of catching it now and go back to socialising when allowed, or will you continue to stay out of the way?
Obviously the true stats are starting to dribble out. American news networks started reporting on info from the CDC which is shocking - the amount of people who were not killed by Covid, but included in the stats. They have started reporting it here also now. PHE including you in their list months after a test, even if you were killed crossing the road.
The same Pharma people are driving this as have driven other endless treatments over cures so it's no real surprise that people have been massively profiteering over this.
I think at the end of the day if you think you need a vaccine then take it. There is no cure or 100% effectiveness so I'm not really sure how it changes anything, will you accept just a lower risk of catching it now and go back to socialising when allowed, or will you continue to stay out of the way?
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The situation with public health england? Just look it up. Matt Hancock disbanded it and they rounded the death stats down 5k for the very reasons I mentioned above. The true inflated figure was suspected to be far higher than 5k but that was the governments token acknowledgement of it.
Don't rely on the BBC and Sky news to always tell you the truth. there are many other news outlets and experts that will though, you just have to have a look around a bit
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