Creospace I think you have said a lot here that others were thinking - I know I was.
I have always found it friendly on here but recently there have been incidences that I have thought hmmm.... I have to say I was part of a thread where a guy came on and said Hi - I am a web designer - and got his site pulled apart by someone else. Now there were errors in this guys site but there was no need to have it broadcast the way the guy did. Also it served no purpose but to scare people off. Surely a polite PM would have been sufficient. A few of us supported the guy and I did help him out with a few scripts etc. but I haven't seen him post since... probably too scared.
When I first joined here someone sent me PM saying my portfolio wasnt working (I was acutally updating it at the time and had taken the site offline). I thanked him and told him he could go and have a look now if he wanted to - he did and came back with some lovely comments - all helpful. Now if he had posted that on the forum and made it sound like my site wasnt working that could have had an effect on me as a newbie and my business.
What was it my mother used to say - a famous quote from bambi - "if you can't say nothing nice... then don't say nothing at all."
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I have always found it friendly on here but recently there have been incidences that I have thought hmmm.... I have to say I was part of a thread where a guy came on and said Hi - I am a web designer - and got his site pulled apart by someone else. Now there were errors in this guys site but there was no need to have it broadcast the way the guy did. Also it served no purpose but to scare people off. Surely a polite PM would have been sufficient. A few of us supported the guy and I did help him out with a few scripts etc. but I haven't seen him post since... probably too scared.
When I first joined here someone sent me PM saying my portfolio wasnt working (I was acutally updating it at the time and had taken the site offline). I thanked him and told him he could go and have a look now if he wanted to - he did and came back with some lovely comments - all helpful. Now if he had posted that on the forum and made it sound like my site wasnt working that could have had an effect on me as a newbie and my business.
What was it my mother used to say - a famous quote from bambi - "if you can't say nothing nice... then don't say nothing at all."
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That kind of stuff is just not on.
If you see it happening again, please report the post so we can intervene. The report button isn't just for spam, but also for bringing anything to the mods attention.
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Hi there,
I think the open moderation idea does deserve a trial. I'll have a look to see how we can best do this and get back to you.
The politeness of discussion is a more difficult thing to solve - to be honest I've been pretty surprised by the harshness with which some posts have been replied to! Duane's point is a good one - the Report Post button should be used if things get out of hand, not just for spam.
Paula's looking into a bunch of things to start building that knowledge base for the more commonly asked questions - give us a bit of time on this, to make sure we think the processes through.
Cheers for now,
Darren
I think the open moderation idea does deserve a trial. I'll have a look to see how we can best do this and get back to you.
The politeness of discussion is a more difficult thing to solve - to be honest I've been pretty surprised by the harshness with which some posts have been replied to! Duane's point is a good one - the Report Post button should be used if things get out of hand, not just for spam.
Paula's looking into a bunch of things to start building that knowledge base for the more commonly asked questions - give us a bit of time on this, to make sure we think the processes through.
Cheers for now,
Darren
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imageonline
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Hi, as a newbie I hope its ok to say my bit on this thread. I thought this forum was open to people setting up in business and hoping to pick up ideas and learn what i am doing wrong. I posted a thread asking for input about my website and boy was it insulted. Maybe there is a lot wrong, but there is a polite way to tell people. The vegan lady had a right go just because she did not like what I sold. Then suddenly my thread disappeared and I received an email which was not very welcoming, stating that my post had been moved to private as people ask for website advice and disappear. Is it any wonder?
I also received emails touting for web design and marketing business.
I thought I had found a forum full of friendly people who could advise me, so i could learn and contribute myself. Perhaps use some of the services on offer when I am ready. Is that not the way to increase membership or is the forum only about membership fees so you can be placed in a directory which to be frank does not offer a lot to consumers looking for products. My post and 2 others were moved but some more were left and they are getting advice. Why? Polite comments are welcome before this post disappears too. Rant over.
I also received emails touting for web design and marketing business.
I thought I had found a forum full of friendly people who could advise me, so i could learn and contribute myself. Perhaps use some of the services on offer when I am ready. Is that not the way to increase membership or is the forum only about membership fees so you can be placed in a directory which to be frank does not offer a lot to consumers looking for products. My post and 2 others were moved but some more were left and they are getting advice. Why? Polite comments are welcome before this post disappears too. Rant over.
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Sent you a pm, where you can get a review (without having to suddenly pay to see a thread you started in the first place............)
I would not hold your breath trying to get answers on the paid side of things, I have been trying to get a answer as to why one forum allows paid members to post, when according to the thread that keeps getting referred to no one should be able to reply, even posted and reported the post to a admin to get their attention - when it comes to answering things like this, they can be oddly silent... Me thinks it is about just getting the fees, not what the users want, or even about playing by their own rules - some sneaky tricks seem to be in place to get fees from people - at least that is how it appears to me....
I would not hold your breath trying to get answers on the paid side of things, I have been trying to get a answer as to why one forum allows paid members to post, when according to the thread that keeps getting referred to no one should be able to reply, even posted and reported the post to a admin to get their attention - when it comes to answering things like this, they can be oddly silent... Me thinks it is about just getting the fees, not what the users want, or even about playing by their own rules - some sneaky tricks seem to be in place to get fees from people - at least that is how it appears to me....
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yep there is constructive criticism
gentle ribbing
mild sarcasm.
Then there is snide
The only time I lost my rag was with a particular snide person,who was the recipient of a PM from me ,demonstrating my best east end barrow boy English.
Earl
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creospace
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Image online:
I'm sorry to hear about your experience i'm sure that the sift people here will hear what you are saying and take it on board, i guess a perfect utopia is never going to happen but it's great you've fed back. Whilst i can speak for sift its' clear there is some confusion of website reviews that needs addressing but Rome wasn't built in a day as they say
You will only get out of this forum what you put in so its' great (again) you've fed back but I suggest you perceiver and continue contributing but please don't get angry or you really wont achieve much at all. Remember a community will grow by celebrating each other's differences not by highlighting and picking on them.
I don't see that there's an over emphasis on paid membership, remember it does cost a few bob to run them and hosting & maintenance costs a few bob with a forum hat gets as much traffic as these do.
Hope that's helped a little?
I'm sorry to hear about your experience i'm sure that the sift people here will hear what you are saying and take it on board, i guess a perfect utopia is never going to happen but it's great you've fed back. Whilst i can speak for sift its' clear there is some confusion of website reviews that needs addressing but Rome wasn't built in a day as they say
You will only get out of this forum what you put in so its' great (again) you've fed back but I suggest you perceiver and continue contributing but please don't get angry or you really wont achieve much at all. Remember a community will grow by celebrating each other's differences not by highlighting and picking on them.
I don't see that there's an over emphasis on paid membership, remember it does cost a few bob to run them and hosting & maintenance costs a few bob with a forum hat gets as much traffic as these do.
Hope that's helped a little?
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creospace
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Ken_UK:
I'd kind of expect maybe a more positive attitude from someone who is a fairly established member here, I don't think your post was that helpful to the discussion at hand? Possibly you've been asking or going about it in the wrong way?
Again I'm not Sift's mouthpiece but we all have a life so as it's the weekend I'm sure come Monday someone will reply to you.
There's nothing sneaky about it, they need the revenue to run the forum so they offer benefits in exchange for a v reasonable fee in my opinion.
I'd kind of expect maybe a more positive attitude from someone who is a fairly established member here, I don't think your post was that helpful to the discussion at hand? Possibly you've been asking or going about it in the wrong way?
Again I'm not Sift's mouthpiece but we all have a life so as it's the weekend I'm sure come Monday someone will reply to you.
There's nothing sneaky about it, they need the revenue to run the forum so they offer benefits in exchange for a v reasonable fee in my opinion.
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If you all don't like the way things work around here in terms of paid up membership why not just leave the forum?
Ken_UK you seem to reply to just about every feedback post regarding the paid up membership in a negative manner.
The membership is well with it IMO and £36 is hardly going to break the bank.
Ken_UK you seem to reply to just about every feedback post regarding the paid up membership in a negative manner.
The membership is well with it IMO and £36 is hardly going to break the bank.
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er might do for some people most pensioners have that to feed themselves for a week on that.
Earl
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Alice3537
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I might offer a (hefty) discount - if you are nice to me
(normally I'm as tight as a ducks a**e)
I'm always nice to you! I could always take my business nearer to home and get a hefty discount....I know people with slightly less dukcy a***y tightnesses!!!!!
However, as you ARE the BEST (as you tell me you are) I would love to give you a go! ( no innuendo intended on the last comment!).
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So we'll leave you to start the 'campaign for oap discounts' thread then
and single parents and people struggling to survive although in full time work.
I think we should bring in means testing to see who should pay.
all the millionaires pay treble to support the less fortunate.
and all the pensioners get in free
its called social responsibility
Earl
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Alice3537
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and single parents and people struggling to survive although in full time work.
I think we should bring in means testing to see who should pay.
all the millionaires pay treble to support the less fortunate.
and all the pensioners get in free
its called social responsibility
Earl
In that case, I'm a single parent pensioner and expect free membership....right NOW!!!!
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In some areas, I don't think much has changed. I remember (when I was a lad!) someone complaining, maybe 18 months ago, that some people would greet newbies with "your website is useless - oh, and would you like a quote from me to fix it?". It's always going to happen, so maybe the challenge is to the rest of us to make those same newbies feel welcomed.
If we could solve issues related to human nature, we'd solve world hunger too.
If we could solve issues related to human nature, we'd solve world hunger too.
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I may respond in a negative manner with regards to paid membership, but all the points I raise have been valid as far as I can see, and have not been addressed, as far as I can see.
If I was to pay 36 pounds to every forum that I join and have joined in the past, it would break the bank....
But every other forum I am in manages to fund themselves without membership fees, through ads, sponsorship, donations, or other means...
If I thought the membership fee was worth it, I would pay, but I cant see the benefits of paying yet. That may change in the future, who knows....
Convince me its worth paying a forum, so I can give my time and advice away for free, its going to be a hard one that - its going to take more than offering features that are often free on other sites (sigs, memberlist, more pm space, blogs etc) to grab my attention.
Membership may be worth it for some people, but for 36 quid a year, its not something I see the need for yet...
If I was to pay 36 pounds to every forum that I join and have joined in the past, it would break the bank....
But every other forum I am in manages to fund themselves without membership fees, through ads, sponsorship, donations, or other means...
If I thought the membership fee was worth it, I would pay, but I cant see the benefits of paying yet. That may change in the future, who knows....
Convince me its worth paying a forum, so I can give my time and advice away for free, its going to be a hard one that - its going to take more than offering features that are often free on other sites (sigs, memberlist, more pm space, blogs etc) to grab my attention.
Membership may be worth it for some people, but for 36 quid a year, its not something I see the need for yet...
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Alice3537
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I'm not going to try and convince you - hell, I'm not a 'fully registered member' myself!
However, as with many other things in life - if you don't like it, don't be a part of it. That simple.
When I joined, I saw very clearly the terms on which I had 'restricted' membership. It puzzles me that you didn't see the same.
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Thats why I have not paid for full membership.... But you don't need to pay for full membership to use the non paid up sections, which are free.
I saw the same terms others did, and I have no problem with the stated restrictions that work as stated. I may not think they are the best thing since sliced bread, but those are the rules, and no problems there.
Its where things don't appear to be working as stated that I start to have problems. Especially when no answers are forthcoming, despite it being flagged up and mentioned (both on forum, and off forum via the report post button) that you start to think its done on purpose, instead of by mistake..... Or when people have to pay up to reply in a thread that they have already posted in, because its been moved, those type of things appear more like 'forcing' people to pay, rather than getting people to want to pay by offering a service worth the money, if that makes sense
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I can hardly believe any Forum of worth is going to have a policy of making people pay in order to have a website review in such a clumsy and cack handed way. More, this seems to be an area that needs sorting out in a way that better suits new members. I also don't believe that anyone who reviews a website sees it as a chore and therefore its not a sacrifice of their time to do so, so why can't people join and just get a review if thats what they want?
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