Snow Clearing

Ste Hughes

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hi guys

we have just had about 5" of snow in about 2 hours...

I have the idea of going out and clearing peoples driveways for cash tomorrow... I think it could be quite good

but how much would you pay? i am thinking £5 for a path from door to gate or £15 for whole driveway... ill also go and get a bucket of rocksalt and scatter a bit about

is that too much or not

ta
 
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smo

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lol, you might find a few silly people who will pay but personally i'd tell you to be on your bike. If its that bad it needs clearing then the roads wont be drivable as the UK doesnt seem to be able to cope, if i can drive the roads then i'm sure i can make it out my own drive!!!!

10 points for iniative though. :)
 
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hi guys

we have just had about 5" of snow in about 2 hours...

I have the idea of going out and clearing peoples driveways for cash tomorrow... I think it could be quite good

but how much would you pay? i am thinking £5 for a path from door to gate or £15 for whole driveway... ill also go and get a bucket of rocksalt and scatter a bit about

is that too much or not

ta

Pretty sure a lot of older people will be happy to pay a reasonable amount.

As the Welsh Wizard says just go do it.

Earl
 
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J-Wholesale

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The most important thing is if you clear it and some one slips on ice that "YOU" were paid to clear "GUESS WHAT"

YOUR IN THE S**T

Are you sure that's not just an urban legend? Do you know any actual case of this happening in the UK?

There was the same hysteria over litigation in Ireland during the big chill at the beginning of the year - turned out to be rubbish, but it took a government minister and a press conference to convince people that they were being lazy for no reason.
 
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Nah! no one would pay.

Imagine knocking an oap's door offering to clear their drive for a tenner, they would not be amused.

Local businesses will just get their lacky employee to clear it with a shovel.

You will wish you stayed in the warmth of your home.
 
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Heavy snow, low temperatures and a lack of gritting mean pavements throughout the country are too slippery to walk on safely. Hospitals have been struggling to cope with rising numbers of patients who have broken bones after falling on icy paths.
Yet the professional body that represents health and safety experts has issued a warning to businesses not to grit public paths - despite the fact that Britain is in the grip of its coldest winter for nearly half a century.
Under current legislation, householders and companies open themselves up to legal action if they try to clear a public pavement outside their property. If they leave the path in a treacherous condition, they cannot be sued.
Councils, who have a responsibility for public highways, say they have no legal obligation to clear pavements.
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents expressed its disappointment that public safety was being neglected because of fears of possible litigation. A spokesman said: "This is not showing a particularly good attitude. It would be much safer for the public to clear paths, even if it's not on their property
 
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“When clearing snow and ice, it is probably worth stopping at the boundaries of the property under your control.”
Clearing a public path “can lead to an action for damages against the company, e.g. if members of the public, assuming that the area is still clear of ice and thus safe to walk on, slip and injure themselves”.
Legal experts said home owners could fall victim to the same laws if they tried to clear an icy path but failed to do the job properly. John McQuater, president of the Association of Personal Injury Lawyers, admitted: “If you do nothing you cannot be liable. If you do something, you could be liable to a legal action.”
 
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“When clearing snow and ice, it is probably worth stopping at the boundaries of the property under your control.”
Clearing a public path “can lead to an action for damages against the company, e.g. if members of the public, assuming that the area is still clear of ice and thus safe to walk on, slip and injure themselves”.
Legal experts said home owners could fall victim to the same laws if they tried to clear an icy path but failed to do the job properly. John McQuater, president of the Association of Personal Injury Lawyers, admitted: “If you do nothing you cannot be liable. If you do something, you could be liable to a legal action.”


did you contact the guy in Sheffield? i didn`t see you post any links on that forum.
 
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“If you do nothing you cannot be liable. If you do something, you could be liable to a legal action.”

Yes, but has it actually happened?

You can sue someone for just about anything. It doesn't mean there is a case, or that you have a hope in hell of winning. Tell us about John Smith who cleaned the path in front of his house, and lost everything as a result.
 
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“When clearing snow and ice, it is probably worth stopping at the boundaries of the property under your control.”
Clearing a public path “can lead to an action for damages against the company, e.g. if members of the public, assuming that the area is still clear of ice and thus safe to walk on, slip and injure themselves”.
Legal experts said home owners could fall victim to the same laws if they tried to clear an icy path but failed to do the job properly. John McQuater, president of the Association of Personal Injury Lawyers, admitted: “If you do nothing you cannot be liable. If you do something, you could be liable to a legal action.”

During the war they found the more lawyers that we shot .

The more likely we were to defeat Hitler.

What a namby pamby wishy washy wimpy twittering society we have become.

Is there no common sense left.

As kids we cleared anyones path ,drive, street that needed it ,no one died and no one got sued,in fact I am betting it saved many an older person from a few broken bones.

As for not doing your neighbours well FFS.:eek:

Strewth give me strength.:mad:
 
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"When clearing snow and ice, it is probably worth stopping at the boundaries of the property under your control."
Clearing a public path "can lead to an action for damages against the company, e.g. if members of the public, assuming that the area is still clear of ice and thus safe to walk on, slip and injure themselves".
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That bit above has been misquoted all over the place, and attributed initially to the IOSH, by the telegtaph and mail, which was wrong.

Read here for more details.

As a general rule, though, it's sensible for firms to consider the risks and take reasonable steps to prevent accidents from happening. If this means gritting outside the boundaries of your workplace, then it's better to do that than to have people slipping over or involved in car crashes on your doorstep."

In other words, the IOSH position is to encourage businesses to be a good employer and neighbour by gritting beyond property boundaries and to make sure that the task is carried out thoroughly.

This comment was ignored by The Sunday Telegraph and the wording from the Croner article used instead and attributed to IOSH. This was done without the knowledge of the IOSH Media team, with no follow up check being made.
 
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News release

11 January 2009 NR 01/10
Health and safety body calls for good neighbourliness

The leading body for health and safety professionals is urging businesses and communities to do the right thing by clearing snow and ice from public areas.
This call from the Institution of Occupational Safety and Health (IOSH) to promote good neighbourliness and care for employees’ safety comes in the wake of inaccurate reporting in yesterday’s Sunday Telegraph and Mail on Sunday. Both newspapers ran stories, yesterday (Sunday 10 January), claiming IOSH was warning businesses not to grit public paths because this could lead to legal action.
The Sunday Telegraph stated that, “in guidance to its members”, IOSH said:
“When clearing snow and ice, it is probably worth stopping at the boundaries of the property under your control” and that clearing a public path “can lead to an action for damages against the company, eg if members of the public, assuming that the area is still clear of ice and thus safe to walk on, slip and injure themselves.”
This is not the IOSH position on gritting public areas. Neither has IOSH issued this as guidance. The words are, in fact, taken from a Croner contribution to the “Just Ask” column of SHP magazine, in February of last year.
IOSH was contacted by The Sunday Telegraph about the story on Friday 8 January and offered the following comment from its Policy & Technical Director Richard Jones:
“Deciding whether to grit beyond the boundaries of their property needs to be carefully considered by companies. If access to the premises is covered in ice, companies may choose to grit the access to help their staff and visitors arrive and leave safely, even though it’s not their property. However, in this instance, if they failed to grit the surface properly and someone had an accident as a result, then they could incur some liability.
“As a general rule, though, it’s sensible for firms to consider the risks and take reasonable steps to prevent accidents from happening. If this means gritting outside the boundaries of your workplace, then it’s better to do that than to have people slipping over or involved in car crashes on your doorstep.”
In other words, the IOSH position is to encourage businesses to be a good employer and neighbour by gritting beyond property boundaries and to make sure that the task is carried out thoroughly.
This comment was ignored by The Sunday Telegraph and the wording from the Croner article used instead and attributed to IOSH. This was done without the knowledge of the IOSH Media team, with no follow up check being made.
Communications Director Ruth Doyle was dismayed by the Telegraph’s approach:
“To lift this wording from an outside contribution to SHP magazine, published nearly a year ago, and pass it off as ‘IOSH guidance’ is completely irresponsible.
“The IOSH position is most definitely to encourage people to be good employers and neighbours by gritting icy areas and to emphasise that health and safety wants to help protect life and limb, not endanger it.”
- Ends -

Sorry about posting the whole article but I have 7 more posts to go before I can put links in posts :)

See www dot iosh dot co dot uk /
 
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The only way you could get sued is if you left the path in a much worse condition that it was in before you started. If you clear the path and put grit or salt down, then you're fine.

Incidentally, I've no idea why people think that clearing your path is safe, but the path outside your property isn't. You're responsible for people coming on to your property (whether invited or not). If the postman slips on your path, then you're at just as much risk as if a passerby slips on the pavement outside your house.
 
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