Shitting bricks at the thought of being a newbie in business.. help ha

BYKS

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Hey, I'm Kirsty.

100% newbie at this whole business thing, if you can't already tell that lol.

I would love, adore, admire people's opinions, advice etc on going about buying businesses within the logistics sector.
Also love information on people in the industry i can reach out to about mentoring, funding or even some tips or tricks for the new players in the game.
 

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    I would love, adore, admire people's opinions, advice etc on going about buying businesses within the logistics sector.
    Buying a business in any sector with no experience of running a business or of the sector may not be sensible. You would probably get a similar return by simply giving me the money. Less hassle as well.
     
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    BYKS

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    This is why I'm doing more research for myself by networking with people who have that experience. Also gaining it myself (I was a courier driver previously myself). I thought i would put my foot through the door on here and see if any advice could be given.
     
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    Newchodge

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    This is why I'm doing more research for myself by networking with people who have that experience. Also gaining it myself (I was a courier driver previously myself). I thought i would put my foot through the door on here and see if any advice could be given.
    Good luck
     
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    Sh!tting bricks is a good start it shows you're thinking

    What are you thinking of buying rather than staring?

    Here are a couple of basic rules:

    - there is always a reason they are selling. It's seldom the one that they tell you

    - the one thing you can't buy is success. Be sure to understand exactly what it is you are buying.

    - nobody ever sells at below market value. They will invariably pitch way above it
     
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    Ozzy

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    Hi Kirsty @BYKS
    When you worked as a courier, were you self-employed, or did you receive a payslip every month/week?
    If the former, then you've already run a business in the logistics sector ;)

    As some others have already suggested, it would be less risky to start small and grow than to buy an existing logistics business. Unless you have several million or more available to buy a business, if you have then spending several million on buying an established business may reduce the risks a little.
     
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    fisicx

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    If you have a van Kirsty you can set up a Google Business Profile and offer a local pick up, delivery and clearance service. We use someone local and he is always busy.
     
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    elaine@cheapaccounting

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    My advice (applies to any business) ..... do a business plan including detailed financial projections with a sensitivity analysis (what happens if things are x% better or x% worse than your projections).

    Review this often.

    If investing look at your return on investment (ROI). The acid test is can you get a better ROI by putting your money in the bank.

    Get on top of your accounting and tax liabilities from the outset.

    Avoid offering credit if you can or keep on top of credit control. You can be super profitable but have no money in the bank meaning the business could fail if it cannot pay its bills!

    Turnover is vanity, Profit is sanity and Cash is reality.

    If in doubt get a good advisor(s).

    Good luck!

    PS Yes I know accounting and tax can be boring (obs not to me!) but it's the only way to know if your business is actually a business or just a money pit :):p🤣😍
     
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    Gecko001

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    My advice is to make sure you have enough capital. Run out of that and you will struggle, either at the beginning or later down the line. Another one is to start as you mean to go on. For example, it is difficult to increase your prices if you price your product too low at the beginning. I do not mean buy lots of flashy office furniture at the beginning.
     
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    Chris Ashdown

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    Maybe a visit to amazon books looking for "Starting a business" will give you a better understanding of what is required to be successful in small businesses, Self Education is required as there is so much to learn, be it accounting, advertising, Pricing, Marketing and a good few other area's
     
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    FreddyG

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    I would love, adore, admire people's opinions, advice etc on going about buying businesses within the logistics sector.
    So you want to buy someone's delivery round? And you want to do so at a time when we are in a recession and it is going to get much worse? Every indicator points South and you want to buy a delivery round, fully aware that people will have to cut back on every optional purchase and will only be buying the bare essentials at Lidl and Aldi?

    I could take you through the steps you must take to make any new business viable, but let's first establish the facts here.

    Have you seen the film "The Big Short"? In that, our hero has analysts around the US crunching the numbers and from 2005 they were sounding the alarm. CDOs and MBSs were in peril and they knew it. Even poxy BBC hacks knew it. Houses were selling for 30-times gross wages. Money was free - i.e. low/zero interest rates. By 2007, alarms were sounding loud and clear, but the FOMO and the foolish thought that this jamboree was forever!

    In the Spring of 2008, the game (musical chairs) was over and the music stopped. Since those crazy days, working people in almost every Western country are 25% less well-off. QE (money printing) has doubled the money supply every decade, thereby inflating the prices of assets. Assets are how rich people live. Wages are how poor people live.

    Then came the C19 madness and the struggling working poor were forced to give people like me even more money when we neither wanted it nor did we need it. But UK company law insists that we act in the best interests of our companies, so we took it!

    Assets are up to five times their 2008 nominal value measured in pounds. Nominal wages buy 25% fewer goods and services. When this credit bubble bursts, My Herpes and other delivery companies may easily vanish overnight. And you want to buy a delivery round?

    UK and US bonds (government borrowing) is blowing up - I could bore you with figures all day! $37 trillion US federal debt plus $107 trillion in unfunded and government and state unaccounted liabilities and we are not that far behind them!

    Delivery Driver Dave and Forlift Fred are struggling. Their families are in heat-or-eat mode and you want to buy a delivery round, bringing cheap tat from China to their doors?

    Just asking!
     
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    There are literally books worth of advice we might give you.

    However, I will underline a comment already made above by Mark Jones.

    If you decide to buy a business, make sure you understand what you are buying.

    That means understanding the history of the business, its liabilities, its future needs for cash, its costs, its marketing. Everything.

    I would honestly advise getting someone to go through that kind of stuff with you, which you have already suggested you would be willing to do.


    But if you are already working in that sector, you will have some knowledge about the pitfalls, and maybe some connections that will enable you to get some contracts. That is a big headstart, but it still leaves you need advice on the the business bits - finance, tax, and so on.
     
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    @BYKS No question you will ask will be too silly or basic.

    Keep asking your questions here, as I am sure you will not be the first or last to ask them and they will also help those that follow after you.
     
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    elaine@cheapaccounting

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    And you want to do so at a time when we are in a recession and it is going to get much worse?

    "While the economy is experiencing a slowdown, economists don't currently expect it to fall into another recession. "

    The UK is not currently in a recession (A recession is when the economy contracts, and is defined officially as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth.)

    I started my business in 2007 when a recession started that went on until 2009. I'm still here 18 years later and have experienced a variety of trading conditions in this time.

    Whenever you start a business there's always challenges to face. There's good times and bad, Peaks and troughs. That's life. You could just as easily get made redundant. It's about how you cope whether employed or self employed. Resilience and tenacity got me through 👍
     
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    "While the economy is experiencing a slowdown, economists don't currently expect it to fall into another recession. "
    The UK is not currently in a recession (A recession is when the economy contracts, and is defined officially as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth.)
    I did not really need a lecture on economics - but since you brought it up, let's get the true definition - "A recession is a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail trade."

    Please note the word REAL. As in REAL GDP (i.e. not GDPn) and REAL income, etc. I do realise that, as an accountant, you are dealing day-in, day-out, with nominal figures, but the M2 money supply in the UK and the US has doubled every 10 years. Nominally, everything is peachy. But in real terms, the modal and median incomes have declined by 25% since 2008 and by 20% since 2010. (ONS and BoE figures.)

    Gross Modal Income in 2010 was £19,500. Last year it was £25,000. According to the BoE, that meant a fall of 20% in purchasing power of 20% - and that is assuming that the inflation figures are true - which they are not! The ONS even stated that food inflation in 23-24 was just 2%. We tracked 25 core grocery items, such as olive oil, rapeseed oil, vegetables, meat, etc. and we came to 20%. But that was, of course, in regular supermarkets (Lidl and Tesco) and not Fortnum & Mason!

    So, when we look at the REAL economy, we see that the UK has been in a recession since 2008. This has been masked by QE and the inflation it caused. (MV=PQ=GDPn, remember!) I don't look at P - prices; I look at Q - the quantity of all goods and services.

    So you can count fiat numbers all day - I'll count real numbers, measured in real productivity.
     
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    elaine@cheapaccounting

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    I did not really need a lecture on economics - but since you brought it up, let's get the true definition - "A recession is a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail trade."

    Please note the word REAL. As in REAL GDP (i.e. not GDPn) and REAL income, etc. I do realise that, as an accountant, you are dealing day-in, day-out, with nominal figures, but the M2 money supply in the UK and the US has doubled every 10 years. Nominally, everything is peachy. But in real terms, the modal and median incomes have declined by 25% since 2008 and by 20% since 2010. (ONS and BoE figures.)

    Gross Modal Income in 2010 was £19,500. Last year it was £25,000. According to the BoE, that meant a fall of 20% in purchasing power of 20% - and that is assuming that the inflation figures are true - which they are not! The ONS even stated that food inflation in 23-24 was just 2%. We tracked 25 core grocery items, such as olive oil, rapeseed oil, vegetables, meat, etc. and we came to 20%. But that was, of course, in regular supermarkets (Lidl and Tesco) and not Fortnum & Mason!

    So, when we look at the REAL economy, we see that the UK has been in a recession since 2008. This has been masked by QE and the inflation it caused. (MV=PQ=GDPn, remember!) I don't look at P - prices; I look at Q - the quantity of all goods and services.

    So you can count fiat numbers all day - I'll count real numbers, measured in real productivity.

    Sorry if I offended you. That was not the intention. Best wishes :)
     
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    You didn't offend me! That is totally impossible - but you gave me a chance to get my economics juices flowing - so I really ought to thank you!
    Whilst you may be a highly regarded Economics expert I fail to see your level of predictions effecting a tiny one person business. If we took serious advice from economists there would never be a good time to start a business, as either to late or to early would be the time suggested. and as to buying I see delivery vans running up and down my road many many times a day, which shows there is demand for at least goods
     
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    JEREMY HAWKE

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    If I was going into business I don't think that I would be doing this I love this game but thats only because I'm so used to it

    The boys and girls on here running other businesses put less time into their company and have less agro

    I would be getting together with a wizz kid and developing an AI App and making Tic Tok videos but I would have no reason to advise someone to invest in this industry

    I would always help someone on here who had already taken the plunge but my advice to the OP is that there are better opportunities elsewhere
     
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    fisicx

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    Whilst you may be a highly regarded Economics expert I fail to see your level of predictions effecting a tiny one person business.
    @FreddyG in his previous incarnation as @TheByre has been predicting economic Armageddon for a number of years. Doesn't appear to have happened yet.
     
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    @FreddyG in his previous incarnation as @TheByre has been predicting economic Armageddon for a number of years. Doesn't appear to have happened yet.
    I am not, nor have I, predicted Economic Armageddon. I am, however, telling you what is going on. We are in a debt/credit bubble. It is the tulip bubble of 1634. The government is printing money. I mentioned the CDO GFC and that raised its head in 2004. By 2005 people were beginning to notice and M.Burry and many others were predicting a blow-up. But it took another three years for it to hit.

    This one is different because the immediate cure for inflation is more inflation!

    One other forum member and myself realised what was happening back in 2022 and we both invested in gold. He listened and others did not. (Though in all fairness, he realised that the fiat game was drawing to a close without any help from me!) We more than doubled our money (nominally!) But it will not stop there.

    I do not know where this debt/credit madness ends - but it will be nowhere good. That much is certain!
     
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    DoolallyTap

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    What does this really mean - within the logistics sector. doing what exactly??? how much cash do you have and how much are you prepared to loose, do the business plan and forecasts etc and then think of something else to do.

    Logistics is the process of planning, organizing, and managing the flow of resources, such as goods, information, and people, from their origin to their destination, ensuring they reach the right place at the right time and in the right condition. It's a crucial part of supply chain management and involves various activities like transportation, warehousing, inventory management, and order processing. Effective logistics is essential for businesses to meet customer demands, reduce costs, and maintain a competitive edge.
     
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