Salary expectations for an admin

[Christiane]

Hi.
I am trying to work out how much I should pay an admin. I will need one by the end of the year or early next year at the latest, but looking at admin salaries on recruitment websites, I can't find one that would fit the profile I need.
Admin would be part time, required to help with product photography, accounts (bookkeeping, filing), ecommerce site (uploading and updating product, etc) and experienced in word, excel, possibly photoshop and publisher. Eventually I'd also like the person to be able to cover for me during holidays.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Bea

 

[Fernhurst Solutions Ltd]

Hiya Bea

That would be quite a spread of work for an admin person and would require quite a few different skills), I think a fair rate would be the £8-£9 p/h mark ..... saying that, I'm sure the rates people quote will vary depending on the part of the country they come from.

Good luck with your search.

Andrew

 

[Aspect Investments]

I think you need find a suitable applicant before you decide how much to pay them.

 

[RBS]

Well, it doesn`t sound like admin to me... Sounds like multitasking superperson
-bookkeeping, filing( min 20£/h)
-ecommerce site
-experienced in possibly photoshop and publisher(min 30£/h)
-eventually I'd also like the person to be able to cover for me during holidays(managing director, min 30£/h)

Count yourself.
Are you sure you are not gone wrong at some point compiling this profile?

 

[Chris_OCR]

Hi Bea,

I would expect that sort of position to demand between £18,000 - £22,000 per annum.

HTH

 

[stevon]

Just do what everyone is doing just now "Salary: Neogotiable"... You'll maybe end up with 2/3 suitable candidates and then say "So, what kind of salary were you expecting" - folk who are desperate for a job will work for pretty much anything. Its a sneaky tactic but it's what all the big boys are doing.

 

[RBS]

Folk who are desperate for a job will work for pretty much anything. Its a sneaky tactic but it's what all the big boys are doing.

Dont forget - you get what you pay...
If somebody is desperate for work, he is not good enough then, as all good workers are employed.

 

[Geoff T]

Dont forget - you get what you pay...
If somebody is desperate for work, he is not good enough then, as all good workers are employed.

I agree that you pay peanuts, expect monkeys...

But not with your 2nd comment! In a recession, that's a pretty bold statement!

Would you care to wager on this:

that I could spend a day in a Jobcentre and find enough quality people to staff a small office?

 

[Richie N]

I would also say £18-20k as it's more involved than your average administrator role, however I would also say find the right person first and negotiate the salary with them, as they may want more than this.

 

[Richie N]

If somebody is desperate for work, he is not good enough then, as all good workers are employed.

I also disagree with this comment...

 

[RBS]

I also disagree with this comment...

In my opinion, if you are great worker, you will not be listed on jobcentre website If you are listed there - you are not good enough and nobody wants to pay you decent money.

 

[RBS]

I would also say £18-20k

For admin +web designer +book keeper +managing director? Come on I`m sure you wont find that kind of multiprofession person.

 

[GRDCredit]

In my opinion, if you are great worker, you will not be listed on jobcentre website If you are listed there - you are not good enough and nobody wants to pay you decent money.

Mere words cannot express how much I disagree with that statement!

 

[RBS]

Mere words cannot express how much I disagree with that statement!

Go on. I am open to your opinion Its not cut in stone, if you proove me that I might be wrong, I would change my mind. Only fools and dead never change

 

[stevon]

I've found great staff through the job centre websites, it's not all just lazy bums out to waste your time. Although you do have to sift through it.

As for the "all good workers are employed" joke... It was a joke right? There are thousands of "good workers" unemployed and thousands (if not more) "bad workers" who are unemployed. Just because someone might've lost their job yesterday doesn't make them a bad worker! Some might be doing their PostGrads, some might be taking a career break, some of them are actually looking for work - but waiting for a decent job that suits them. Thousands and thousands of graduates are unleashed onto the job market every year and some of those are exceptional workers - some are crap too mind, but to say every person without a job at the moment isn't a good/great worker is an absolute joke.

 

[RBS]

I meant those lazy bums who just keep going every week to jobcentre for rest of their life getting ticks in their book so they can keep getting benefits.

Of course you cannot say 100% that every unemployed is worthless.

 

[tony84]

An admin person eg, paperwork maybe adding entries to your website, word and excel, i would say full time about £12-14k - this might include taking photos as im sure most young people can take photos and put them on a PC now a days. This is at a stretch.

As for the photoshop i think you are starting to ask a bit too much from an admin person.

 

[stevon]

I meant those lazy bums who just keep going every week to jobcentre for rest of their life getting ticks in their book so they can keep getting benefits.

Of course you cannot say 100% that every unemployed is worthless.

But thats not what you said, you said everyone listed on the job centre website is a waste of space?

I think anyone who's ever dealt with the job centre gets the token submissions from the scroungers who have no intention whatsoever of taking your job - but to say that anyone who uses the job centre as a means of getting a job is one of these degenerates is quite shocking!

When I first started at Uni, I got jobs working at JJB/Comet through the job centre, I even got a pretty good job as a call centre manager and another one as a business development manager for a family firm through the job centre.

If I was looking for work right now it'd probably be one of my first ports of call - I find MosterJobs/S1Jobs/etc. to be dire.

 

[RBS]

I am taking out word EVERYONE

 

[stevon]

I see what you're saying, there is a lot of timewasters through the job centre, but they're also a lot of great workers, it's just the hassle of having to distinguish the dead beats from those genuinely interested.

 

[Rhyl Lightworks]

I see what you're saying, there is a lot of timewasters through the job centre, but they're also a lot of great workers, it's just the hassle of having to distinguish the dead beats from those genuinely interested.

You can usually tell from their application forms.

If my experience is anyhting to go by, I would look for someone who doesn't necessarily have all the skills you need, but has the potential to learn them, with training from you. You could offer them a reduced salary (circa £12k to £14k p.a. in this area), but be prepared to increase this substantially as they become more skilled.

Barrie

 

[stevon]

I agree "Hobbies" usually gives it away - "smoking and drinking every day" vs "swimming and playing football" or the like. That or of course "Job experience"...

I agree with the point made - although I'd outline the main duties required and then say things like "opportunity to develop further" and obviously take this into consideration when pay reviews are up for grabs. For most young people taking photos of products and putting them onto the computer would be considerably easy, but if you ended up with a 50+ year old woman who went on a admin course at college and still talks about typewriters back in the day, this could take up a bit of time.

 

Dont forget - you get what you pay...
If somebody is desperate for work, he is not good enough then, as all good workers are employed.

I take it no one told you there is a recession.

100's of thousands of people being made redundant through no fault of there own.:|

Earl

 

[RBS]

I take it no one told you there is a recession.

100's of thousands of people being made redundant through no fault of there own.:|

Earl

Well, there is a recession, but its not that bad in UK I`ve heard. Its still runs smooth. UK economy is old, powerful and its not that easy to crush it down like young european countries.

 

Well, there is a recession, but its not that bad in UK I`ve heard. Its still runs smooth. UK economy is old, powerful and its not that easy to crush it down like young european countries.

Its very bad if your one of the 100's of thousands.

and in my book we ain't seen nothing yet.:|

van production down 68% and counting.

Earl

 

[RBS]

Its very bad if your one of the 100's of thousands.

and in my book we ain't seen nothing yet.:|

van production down 68% and counting.

Earl

All of my London mates I call regulary still have their jobs, some even got payrise because of inflation.

 

[stevon]

Are you on the windup?

 

[RBS]

Are you on the windup?

Nope. One of mates got 6% rise recently. Another works as carpenter, busy 6 days a week. Another runs own business, all good. But they all are in London.
Maybe its outer London thats been hit hardest?

 

[stevon]

No, I didn't mean about your pal getting a wage rise - I just meant are you on the wind up in general.

The UK has been hit reasonably hard by the recession. While its not as bad as the press were making out, lots of people have suffered - many of them rightly so as they were living beyond their means; but many companies have folded, meaning thousands have found themselves out of work - with no new work to go to and in general growth plans have been halted for the immediate future by companies too scared to expand. Record numbers are unemployed.

This isn't to say that EVERYONE is suffering. Not EVERYONE is feeling the pinch. But in general, folk are just being a lot more cautious and careful with their cash. This isn't to say certain companies aren't still doing well, but tens of thousands are out of work who in other circumstances would find a job no bother.

Just because your pal got a pay rise doesn't mean the recession here is all a big bluff People will benefit from the recession and others will crash and burn. But most are doing the latter.

 

[hlsps]

For admin +web designer +book keeper +managing director? Come on I`m sure you wont find that kind of multiprofession person.

lol, in my dayjob I am a PA to an MD. I can do bookkeeping, I can do basic web design, I can do photoshop. We do exist.

What you pay is down to what the most suitable candidate wants at the end of the day. I think the £20k plus is certainly where you should be looking.

What I would say is that yes in these times people with skills are sometimes more likely to accept a lower salary, particularly if they have been made redundant, but, when times improve are also more likely to move to a job with a more suitable salary. Dont accept a quick fix.

On another note, as my hours have been reduced to avoid redundancy I am now a Virtual Assistant as well. Do you really need a full time admin? Is it worth looking at a Virtual Assistant first, and then when the role really grows looking at employing someone. There are many benefits to a VA, for one you dont have to pay them when you dont need them etc.

You don't say what area you are in. This could be a big decider in terms of rates, as you wouldn't expect someone up North to work for more than someone in London for example.

Good luck with your search and don't be put off. There are plenty of multi skilled people out there if you know where to look.

And for those of you who are so disparaging about the job centre just hope you never find yourself in need of it one day, I was made redundant once in the past and I registered at the job centre. Okay it was an online CV that got me the job but never say never.

 

[mobyme]

Back in May I was looking for a administrator and went through various channels but found the chap who works for me now through the Job centre.
I may have just fell in lucky because he happened to have worked for 12 years in a company very similar to my own. He had been unemployed for four months after being made redundant, their loss was my gain, he is excellent; in fact I am not quite sure how I managed without him.
His starting salary was £20k which I have upped since I have found out how capable he is.

 

[hlsps]

Thanks for that post, it goes to show what I was saying. Unfortunately redundancy is not always a reflection of someone's skills. I was made redundant because the company I worked for couldn't afford my salary, simple as that. I was lucky to find work before my three weeks notice expired but it isn't as easy as that at the moment. Consider all options, and don't forget the job centre is free.

 

[Kirsty]

I would start with your local job centre and your council, some have some very good subsidies going for employers that take people off the unemployment register.
Also aproach aggencies like Shaw Trust who work at getting people back into employment.

 

[Christiane]

I replied yesterday but my post is not showing up?

Thanks all for your input.