RIP Michael Jackson

billie1

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He had a couple of decent albums about 20 odd years ago, little worth since.

He bought his way off a child molestation charge, and his behaviour is hardly a role model for youngsters.

Sorry he's dead, but no tears over someone like him tbh.

An interesting comment I heard from Uri Geller on BBC news during the night. He was telling the newsreader how special a person MJ was and said he had hypnotised him a while back (apparently to put him off a food item he wanted to come off) and while he had him 'under' he acted 'unethically' and asked him if he had done anything untoward with children, to which MJ apparently denied anything at all. Geller reckoned this was proof enough to him that the guy was innocent.

Now, casting my mind back to the news coverage and waiting on the result of the Court Case, I seem to remember the Yankeee journalists were completely gobsmacked when he was found not guilty. And weighing up the very public evidence, I have to disagree with Geller - who I now reckon is a liar as well as a bit of a fraudster.

What is all this hype over a person who, if he did not have the dosh he had, would have been in jail for the allegations he stood trial for? Why do people see past this? Why do they refer to him as a genius and his passing as big a thing as Lennon or Elvis?

Personally I see him as a freak who has finally buggered off, and who bought his way off a charge we should all be shocked about. Why is the evidence that was unearthed at the time being ignored? He was talented as he hit at the correct time - but seriously the guy has not done a thing of worth in 20 years.

Michael has achieved more than Lennon and Elvis put together. It doesn't matter when his last album was, but his music continued to have an influence on many as well as other music artist.

I know i've mentioned in previous threads, but may I remind you that he sold out 50 UK tour dates in a few hours, even after a long absence. Something musical artists could not do in their own country. That should say alot about his musical influence and talent.
 
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I cannot believe the hype this has generated already.... the world has finally gone mad I think.

If this guy had been a role model of some sort, had spent some of his greed on charitable causes, or at least been a recent performer, then I might understand it all, but in my eyes he had a dodgy character, a has-been who wasted a fortune pampering his weird lifestyle, and who was no good for anything other than his few decent albums he made when I was a child.

He left behind 3 children, who have to be pitied, but I cannot help thinking they now have a chance of a more normal life.


Well the amount of text messages amongst 14 to 20 year olds about his death indicates to me that he wasn't a has-been. Ok his best work was way behind him but it still appealed to the young people of today.
 
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Michael has achieved more than Lennon and Elvis put together. It doesn't matter when his last album was, but his music continued to have an influence on many as well as other music artist.

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Oh come on Mickey was a showman,a great video entertainer but musically a very middle of the road lightweight unlike the greats like Led Zeppelin ,the beatles,pink floyd e.t.c .

He wouldn't have seen the light of day without 12 year old girls and the grannies.

Mind you that may be true of most pop stars.:)

Earl
 
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billie1

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Oh come on Mickey was a showman,a great video entertainer but musically a very middle of the road lightweight unlike the greats like Led Zeppelin ,the beatles,pink floyd e.t.c .

He wouldn't have seen the light of day without 12 year old girls and the grannies.

Mind you that may be true of most pop stars.:)

Earl

Could they dance and sing at the same time, I don't think so. Michael was an excellent singer and dancer. Both young and old listen to him.

I've just been listening to his song 'Ben' which he sang when he was about 8 years old, not a note missed. I think you need to get onto you tube and have a listen to him to remind you of who he is.
 
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Oh come on Mickey was a showman,a great video entertainer but musically a very middle of the road lightweight unlike the greats like Led Zeppelin ,the beatles,pink floyd e.t.c .

He wouldn't have seen the light of day without 12 year old girls and the grannies.

Mind you that may be true of most pop stars.:)

Earl

Thats rubbish, his music was brilliant and if you listen to the songs on Thriller you can't believe that so many great songs came from one album. He was extremely influential, no matter what peoples personal opinion are [grammar]
 
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Thats rubbish, his music was brilliant and if you listen to the songs on Thriller you can't believe that so many great songs came from one album. He was extremely influential, no matter what peoples personal opinion are [grammar]

Oh come on Michael was a great visual entertainer.

But take away the video aspect and I wonder how many songs would have made it.?

afraid the days when people listened with there ears have long gone.:)

Earl
 
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Oh come on Michael was a great visual entertainer.

But take away the video aspect and I wonder how many songs would have made it.?

afraid the days when people listened with there ears have long gone.:)

Earl

Errh, all of them? when I was younger (ages ago) we didnt have the visual stuff only a record player, which I occasionally got to put records on when I could wrestly my mother to stop playing Shirley Bassey.
 
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Shocking though this will be to some, I can honestly say I've never knowingly heard any songs sung by Michael Jackson. I've always been a classical music buff (oddball, I know), so I hear only occasional modern songs that others believe are well-known and want me to hear. I remember hearing songs by the Beatles and Abba and Mamas and Papas and the Beach Boys and I think one song each by Pink Floyd and Elvis. Never heard Led Zeppelin that Earl mentioned. Mind you, I could sing you the main themes and various instrument parts of thousands of symphonies, concerti, and other classical works.

It's interesting for me to see the outpouring of emotion over Michael Jackson's passing. Clearly, his singing and dancing affected a lot of people, but let's not pretend he affected everyone - because he didn't affect me. Personally, I find his appearance in pictures very odd and stories about his life even odder - and seriously wonder why anyone would put him on a pedestal.

Sits back and waits for the backlash. :)
 
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Isn't that a generational thing Steve? with respect...:redface:
Maybe, although MJ was older than me and it sounds like he was singing from the age of 8 - which means he must have been well-known when I was at school. It's not like I've never heard of his name or seen picture - I have - but I've just never heard his music.
 
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Maybe, although MJ was older than me and it sounds like he was singing from the age of 8 - which means he must have been well-known when I was at school. It's not like I've never heard of his name or seen picture - I have - but I've just never heard his music.

Are you serious? You haven't heard songs like 'Billie Jean, Thriller, don't stop etc'. Where have you been :eek:
 
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Are you serious? You haven't heard songs like 'Billie Jean, Thriller, don't stop etc'. Where have you been :eek:
Nope. Honestly, I've never heard these terms or titles before - except that Billie Jean was a tennis player. I told you I was an oddball, but some people just don't listen to certain types of music or care much about it. I'm sorry for all the fans of MJ, but he really meant nothing to me.

What if a truly great physicist passed away? You may have heard his name but would wonder why I make such a big fuss about it. For me, it would be very important, but for you it would mean little. That's how I feel about MJ.
 
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I was saddened when I heard (and saw the video) of the young Iranian woman who was shot.

Why did this make me sad?

A reflection of our times.
Innocent life lost - one of many, many lives lost in this way.
Unfulfilled potential lost.
Gruesome way to die
Powerlessness to do anything about these situations

the above versus - singer/dancer who had heart attack after living a very over indulged lifestyle...plus being accused numerous times of being a paedophile.

There's just no comparison for me

I just don't value entertainers that highly.

They get paid and respected far too much for doing way too little.

It's gross when you consider that the most significant people in our history are largely ignored as Steve points out.
 
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Website Copy, no one was comparing anything. The thread was started to express condolences. Then people like you started throwing insults. You are contradicting yourself, I thought you valued Freddy Mercury.

There has been many gruesome deaths of young people in history, many young children and babies have died in Iraq during the war. The death of anyone is sad especially unexpected death. But when someone has been in the public eye nearly all their life, you feel that you know them, therefore its sad when something like this happens unexpectedly e.g when Princess Diana died, it saddened and shocked many people, because she was a public figure.
 
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OMG are you lot still talking about this man??

I thought that a sign of respect from all people was to let him be now, ie ALL of you stop with the hero worship and the moaning about did he or didn't he.

If he did, it will all come out in the wash and in the meantime, let the man rest in his grave - and that includes those who want to ram him down others throats!

As a good Jewish girl would say (were that I was good!) Enough Already!!
 
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OMG are you lot still talking about this man??

Someone has to keep the hysterical in touch with reality :)

Meanwhile re your comment re 'out of respect'


If you refer to those mourning Jacko's departure

Respect is lost when those 'mourning'

condone violence
refer to sexual molestation of children as a 'blemish'
Wish ill on forum members just because they oppose their point of view

It's all very

'never never land' here right now

Some are clearly away with the fairies.
 
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Someone has to keep the hysterical in touch with reality :)

Meanwhile re your comment re 'out of respect'


If you refer to those mourning Jacko's departure

Respect is lost when those 'mourning'

condone violence
refer to sexual molestation of children as a 'blemish'
Wish ill on forum members just because they oppose their point of view

It's all very

'never never land' here right now

Some are clearly away with the fairies.

You should walk away from this thread, as it was started for Michael's fans and you are clearly not a fan.
 
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You should walk away from this thread, as it was started for Michael's fans and you are clearly not a fan.

The joke thread was derailed by MJ fans and eventually removed at the request of the same people (I assume) who derailed the thread.

I didn't post any jokes or support any jokes in that thread.

I merely maintained my

'Don't care either way' view

Not everyone was a fan and you are going to have to learn to deal with that without behaving with such animosity and aggression towards those who disagree with you.

If you and the other members hadn't seen fit to 'wish ill' on myself and others who simply didn't care one way or the other for the bloke, I'd have abandoned this thread long ago.

You do not have a monopoly on thread content. Debate and discussion is inevitable.

I started a thread to thank Mods for doing a great job and it was instantly filled with disagreement to that opening post.

I didn't threaten or wish ill on those who disagreed, I merely stepped back and let them get on with it. I gently tried to get them back on topic, without success and discussion became heated between other members (not me) and the thread was closed.

If you simply ignored the posts you didn't agree with rather than posting personal insults to the person you disagreed with, you'd find that person would get bored very quickly and disappear.
 
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Website Copy, you need to have a reality check. I haven't wished ill on anyone on this thread. All I've done is defended MJ. You were the main culprit posting insults on a thread which clearly started for those who wanted to express their condolences. You should have respected that. You just can't accept the fact that Michael has so many fans.
 
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Ok so found this whilst reading the various papers on line that I have almost managed this week to avoid reading about him, but after reading it found myself agreeing with the guy thinking yep, see it happening and can't figure out why adults let themselves be manipulated such ... anyhow for those who want to read only innocent and verging on the sublime things about MJ - you might not like it, but its how a section of this country of ours feels ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...OHN-Mob-grief-proves-Britain-wacko-Jacko.html
 
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Ok so found this whilst reading the various papers on line that I have almost managed this week to avoid reading about him, but after reading it found myself agreeing with the guy thinking yep, see it happening and can't figure out why adults let themselves be manipulated such ... anyhow for those who want to read only innocent and verging on the sublime things about MJ - you might not like it, but its how a section of this country of ours feels ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...OHN-Mob-grief-proves-Britain-wacko-Jacko.html

Daily Mail readers may not be the best section of the country to quote..
 
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Daily Mail readers may not be the best section of the country to quote..

Mmm..why not? I'd have thought that at least some of your customers are Mail readers, is their judgment not to be trusted?

(Pedantically, it wasn't Mail readers that were quoted, but a Mail columnist, the estimable Littlejohn, whose uber-irritation factor to pro-idiotic Yakulties is reason enough to read him.)
 
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Ok so found this whilst reading the various papers on line that I have almost managed this week to avoid reading about him, but after reading it found myself agreeing with the guy thinking yep, see it happening and can't figure out why adults let themselves be manipulated such ... anyhow for those who want to read only innocent and verging on the sublime things about MJ - you might not like it, but its how a section of this country of ours feels ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...OHN-Mob-grief-proves-Britain-wacko-Jacko.html

Great piece ,But not sure about the assertion that Michael was guilty of child molestation.

He was found not guilty and his psychological profile would indicate that it was probably the right verdict.

Paying someone 20 million not to go to court,would be like you or I paying a parking fine to Mickey.

And probably been worked out that it was financially beneficial to pay than to take it to the nation.

Earl
 
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Mmm..why not? I'd have thought that at least some of your customers are Mail readers, is their judgment not to be trusted?

(Pedantically, it wasn't Mail readers that were quoted, but a Mail columnist, the estimable Littlejohn, whose uber-irritation factor to pro-idiotic Yakulties is reason enough to read him.)

What do my customers have to do with it? I sell them clothes, I am not interested in what papers they read? Its different in my personal life and I am always at loggerheads with one of my friends for spouting their ****e.

Pedantically, it was a hyperlink to the daily mail website, and the columnists write for that audience primarily, they do not write opposing views to their readers or they would lose them. Also I think I can quote you in the past as referring to it as the Daily Hail, so with that comment in mind, you think Daily Hail readers are okay?
 
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Website Copy, you need to have a reality check. I haven't wished ill on anyone on this thread. All I've done is defended MJ. You were the main culprit posting insults on a thread which clearly started for those who wanted to express their condolences. You should have respected that. You just can't accept the fact that Michael has so many fans.

I've said it before and i'll say it again

prove it

Quote me re the insults you claim I have made re MJ.

Saying I didn't care for MJ dead or alive is not an insult.

Now, stop making false claims about my posting habits.
 
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