Overheard 3 SEO guys in a bar!

[avecSys]

These people found me through constant badgering and contact. If someone does not want your service now, that does not mean they won't want it ever. You need to be persistent and keep in contact with that person. Some people might find the a bit annoying and direct, but if you are constantly in contact with your ''potential customers'', they will eventually become customers. You don't have to ram sales down their throat, but you can be of a constant reminder and if a problem should arise, they know who they should call. I call it ''alleviating the need to search'' .... Until your service becomes relevant, you are a friend, once your service is needed, you are a friendly supplier.

 

[fisicx]

These people found me through constant badgering and contact.

You said it was through facebook? So I'm very confused now (not that difficult considering my advanced years).

 

[avecSys]

You can talk to people and make contacts through Facebook

 

[Deleted member 237685]

How can you be sure of this? It could be all sorts of other ranking signals that have boosted your ranking. It could well be a tweak you have made to the site or something someone has sharded on a non-SM site that has helped your ranking. An adjustment to a page title will have a far greater ranking boost than any number of SM posts/tweets/comments.

It was the only change that was made.

With respect, just because it hasn't worked for you doesn't mean it doesn't work!

 

[Deleted member 237685]

I've just checked again and still can't see the site on page one for 'IT services bedford'. But as Earl says it a very low search term.
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Then you are the odd one out here. Where does Google think you're located?

 

[fisicx]

Then you are the odd one out here.

Not the first time that has been suggested...

Google doesn't know where I live as I keep my searching anonymous.

Just posting on facebook won't improve your ranking. It's all the associated activities that can help.

You can talk to people and make contacts through Facebook

That's not quite the same thing. I read your post as if they found you through facebook. What you are doing is just marketing, the fact you are using social media channels is irrelvant and has nothing to do witrh SEO (which is what the thread is all about).

 

[Deleted member 237685]

Google doesn't know where I live as I keep my searching anonymous.

Google will still try to use your IP address to locate you, even if you're not logged in, or in Incognito mode.

Just posting on facebook won't improve your ranking. It's all the associated activities that can help.

You're wrong.

 

[avecSys]

Do you understand the multiple link building that comes with a Facebook account? How you acquire 'link juice' from those who are connected and interact with you, who then have a filtered link from your profile?

 

[fisicx]

Do you understand the multiple link building that comes with a Facebook account?

Well considering that all facebook links are no-follow their value as a ranking signal is zero.

 

[avecSys]

It's how you make these links connect together to create do-follow links. I have 3 very strong do-follow links created from my Facebook profile. The technique is called 'Parasite SEO'

 

[fisicx]

Fair enough, if you want to use techniques that Google will no doubt soon filter out in an algo update carry on. Any technique you use to artificially boost your ranking will catch you out at some point in the future sending your site crashing out the index. The very fact it is discussed in many of the black hat SEO forums should ring all sorts of alarm bells.

 

[avecSys]

Please elaborate how commenting on posts or articles from companies related to your targeted market are considered black hat SEO?

Pardon me, but I'm finding it a tad offensive that you seem to be dogging on people techniques (that are evidentially working) on their own forms of SEO. Yet I'm finding it hard to locate your website in any of your local searches for web design or wordpress.

 

[fisicx]

You said you were using Parasite SEO - it's a well known crash and burn SEO technique used for instant (but not long term) results.

Nothing wrong with commenting on posts or articles, I do it all the time. But it's not Parasite SEO nor is it particularly effective rankiing signal. Sorry if you find my comments offensive, if you want to do SEO properly sign up for freshbananas.co.uk - the course run by one of the finest SEO blokes I know (and a moderator on this forum).

As to the ranking of my sites - you are using the wrong keywords. I'm not going to share them with the world but if you want to know some of them send me a PM.

 

[avecSys]

Parasite SEO is done in many forms. It gets its name from a small link effected by link juice, that eventually becomes a very high PR link. The small 'parasite' is the original link on your profile, none existent and practically worth nothing. But then that link gradually builds by added friends, making comments, likes and so forth. Those links can then become bigger by posting to pages that are for your target niche, that also have great link juice in their profile, thus creating a do-follow link. This is known as the Social Media side of SEO. This is in no way shape or form 'black hat SEO'! It is a link that is nothing but gradually built into something from research and work. Other 'Parasite SEO' can be in the form of multi link building from the same posts/comments, in other words leeching the link juice from one source, which is in effect considered 'black hat SEO'. This is not a short term success or a cheating form, this is built gradually and is recognised by Google. Google will not filter this out as it is actually encouraging such techniques because you are building a platform using the public, not building a platform on unknown sites or creating masked links.

I was using what I would consider 'laments' searching terms, reason being that most members of the public that would require your service or would like to procure your product, would search a basic term locally for the top results, you are nowhere in those results. I also searched terms I would consider if I were to locate your services locally and also couldn't find you.

 

[fisicx]

If you are happy to use this technique then fine. You might want to read up on the PageRank technology, it will explain why this technique won't build 'link juice'. You can't create a do-follow link, it either is or it isn't, it's hard coded into the HTML.

You still haven't found my targeted keywords, if you had you would see me at the top of the results. Not interested in anything local. Current work is from China, the USA and two in North England.

 

[avecSys]

Well good luck to you sir

 

[steved45]

Placing links on unrelated popular domains will work for high traffic but not in the long term. SEO is about planning for long term success

 

[InternetMarketingPlatinum]

Not true at all, I agree with @zigojacko here.

Graphic/Web Designer is a Graphic/Web Designer.
Front End Developer, uses languages such as HTML5, CSS3, JQuery etc.
Back End Developer, uses thing's like .NET, PHP5, MVC Frameworks etc.
Solution Architect, is the guy who designs and probably creates the database driven website.

SEO Expert.... nowadays, doesn't really fit into the mix since google try their hardest to rank sites on how the Developers have created them.

So in regards to your statement, a "web developer" is someone who probably knows a bit of graphic design, but mainly back end or/and front end web development.

This is based in the presupposition that the website is built by 3 or 4 people in a team. What about the typical web developer who generally does all tasks (arguably with lesser specialism in many instances)

 

[DazRave]

This is based in the presupposition that the website is built by 3 or 4 people in a team. What about the typical web developer who generally does all tasks (arguably with lesser specialism in many instances)

Did you actually read all the post? I shall quote the key part...

a "web developer" is someone who probably knows a bit of graphic design, but mainly back end or/and front end web development.

Trust me when i say this.. there is a definite line between a back end and front end developer, as well as a designer. I'm yet to come across an expert in more then one of the fields They simply know how to do them all but specialise in just one.

 

[InternetMarketingPlatinum]

This is based in the presupposition that the website is built by 3 or 4 people in a team. What about the typical web developer who generally does all tasks (arguably with lesser specialism in many instances)

Did you actually read all the post? I shall quote the key part...



Trust me when i say this.. there is a definite line between a back end and front end developer, as well as a designer. I'm yet to come across an expert in more then one of the fields They simply know how to do them all but specialise in just one.

That's why I said "arguably with lesser specialism". I thought I made that clear.