Hung parliment & UK business?
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It would be a disaster. The UK credit rating would slip meaning that the money we are borrowing to stay afloat would be more expensive, and the spiral would begin.
I disagree that there would be less meddling: there would be more single interest groups to pander to, and token legislation to appease minorities in parliament would be passed without any thought given to broader consequences or the costs of implementation. By the same token, safeguarding minority interests, no hard and serious measures would be undertaken and the spiral into debt would accelerate.
Do you really think Labour and the Lib Dems will tackle the public sector? Look! There's a pink pig flying into that blue moon.
Swallow hard and vote for the grubby PR Tory hack and his oily chums, as they are the only ones slightly better than the incompetents in power and the nicey-nicey fluffy sandal brigade.
I disagree that there would be less meddling: there would be more single interest groups to pander to, and token legislation to appease minorities in parliament would be passed without any thought given to broader consequences or the costs of implementation. By the same token, safeguarding minority interests, no hard and serious measures would be undertaken and the spiral into debt would accelerate.
Do you really think Labour and the Lib Dems will tackle the public sector? Look! There's a pink pig flying into that blue moon.
Swallow hard and vote for the grubby PR Tory hack and his oily chums, as they are the only ones slightly better than the incompetents in power and the nicey-nicey fluffy sandal brigade.
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Ha ha Dawg 
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hung parliment was being discussed on question time. I think it is something like 32% in favour. Lots of references to Scotland and Germany ok ... Not as disasterous as being made out etc. But I guess people would need to have confidence that it could be effective... Doubtful
(references to oily chums)hung parliment was being discussed on question time. I think it is something like 32% in favour. Lots of references to Scotland and Germany ok ... Not as disasterous as being made out etc. But I guess people would need to have confidence that it could be effective... Doubtful
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I know, surely anyone with a sense of economics and trade can grasp that currencies shape trade, having one currency stifles the economy and ruins it, e.g. Greece and now Ireland.
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Sigarfo
Hummm not sure on this one...I do like the thought of them all working together this way they really wouldnt be able to blame the others for their mistakes..but the thought of more Gordon Brown in the hot seat really gets my goat....and if its Hung...thats exactly what we will have....
it's got to be a Tory vote......for me....
it's got to be a Tory vote......for me....
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Ha ha Dawg
hung parliment was being discussed on question time. I think it is something like 32% in favour. Lots of references to Scotland and Germany ok ... Not as disasterous as being made out etc. But I guess people would need to have confidence that it could be effective... Doubtful
It is NOT the British Public who need convincing it is the rest of the world and the word on the Street is ..
Confidence in the Uk ability to get out of the present downward spiral is to tackle the debt mountain NOW !! Not in the future ...
The present state of play is the UK is hanging on by the skin of its teeth a hung parliment sends shivers to the world that we have lost it ..
In short £ goes down the swanny NOBODY will want it , this then gets devalued its already on its knees.. 1.13 to the Euro it was 1.42 3 years ago !!
The cost of the Governments borrowing will shoot up IF Indeed any Countries want to even touch or lend to us ?
This is the problem that can occur .. ..
Forget all the Clegg nice speeches and stuff he is only the front man he has a load of idiots behind him in his team .. The world know this as well !!! much as i dislike Conservatives they are the best hope and for the record ,, Even with Cameron having a go i still believe the Uk is doomed anyways .
hence why i got the hell out years back in readiness for when the dirt hits the fan
But maybe with a little luck the UK and Cameron can maybe scrape it back to profit ...
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We keep getting this nonsense about a 'hung' parliament and that it would be bad for Britain. It seems then that most people are content for this country to be governed by a dictator because that is what our present system amounts too thanks to Maggie who who was the first to treat her cabinet like Spitting Image puppets.
So now we have Gordon Brown. As chancellor he must have been one of the biggest plonker's that we have ever had and now he is prime minister he is still pulling the strings. Do we really want the mooron back again.
Do we want a government where every MP we vote for is gagged. Forced to leave their principles in their 2nd home for fear that if they do speak out their career will suffer. The doors to the committees and quangos closed.
We don't need to fear a hung parliament we should demand it and in doing so call it what it would really be. A house of preventatives. Our representatives who after each election like shareholders in a company voted in the best man or woman for the job to sit on the board. The board of Great Britain or should I say England now that Scotland and Wales have practically devolved.
And finally anyone that believes that a balanced government would be unable to make decisions because of all the dealings behind closed doors is denying the facts. You can bet a penny to a pound every MP is running around at the moment trying to do deals to position themselves for a job.
Denying the facts. Every select committee is made up of the 3 main parties and they all work well together and there are usually more members on those committee's than on the front bench of a government.
So now we have Gordon Brown. As chancellor he must have been one of the biggest plonker's that we have ever had and now he is prime minister he is still pulling the strings. Do we really want the mooron back again.
Do we want a government where every MP we vote for is gagged. Forced to leave their principles in their 2nd home for fear that if they do speak out their career will suffer. The doors to the committees and quangos closed.
We don't need to fear a hung parliament we should demand it and in doing so call it what it would really be. A house of preventatives. Our representatives who after each election like shareholders in a company voted in the best man or woman for the job to sit on the board. The board of Great Britain or should I say England now that Scotland and Wales have practically devolved.
And finally anyone that believes that a balanced government would be unable to make decisions because of all the dealings behind closed doors is denying the facts. You can bet a penny to a pound every MP is running around at the moment trying to do deals to position themselves for a job.
Denying the facts. Every select committee is made up of the 3 main parties and they all work well together and there are usually more members on those committee's than on the front bench of a government.
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Stacey Hacker: I know exactly who reads the papers: The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country; The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people run the country; Financial Times is read by people who own the country; The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country; And the Daily Telegraph is read by the people who think it is.
Humphrey: right Prime Minister, and what about the people who read The Sun?
Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, so long as she's got big tits.
Humphrey: right Prime Minister, and what about the people who read The Sun?
Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, so long as she's got big tits.
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Dawg
Hmm.
Like the Home Affairs select committee examining MPs' expenses which redacted, (blacked ou), virtually all the information? All 3 parties working well together there.
And like the Sports and Cultural select committee which let the disastrous Digital Bill through without proper scrutiny? All 3 parties working well together there, ...for the record companies.
Comparing a single party government to a dictatorship is merely bluster. There are problems with the power of the executive in the UK, a major one being nobody in government takes responsibility for their departments; there is no honour. This is not a dictatorship, and there are strong external limits on the executive's power; domestically the judiciary, and externally the EU.
Within those limits we will need a government that can and will face up to the problems we have. I firmly believe a hung parliament will spend all it's time arguing about the colour of the bathwater as the baby goes down the plughole.
(And BTW, there were 128 people on the front bench in Sept 2009. I don't know, are there any select committees that large? Tad unwieldy for a committee I'd imagine. Might explain the pickle we are in.)
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A hung parliament is the 2nd worst thing that could possibly happen!
Priority 1: Reduce the size of the public sector by 30%
Priority 2: Drastic simplification the tax system
Priority 3: Drastic overhaul of the benefits system
Do all that in week 1, rip the plaster off, therell be some pain, but the country will be better for it. A year later well be prosperous again with a far greater proportion of our money in the private sector funding jobs and innovation.
The problem is that although I think the Torys are thinking along the same lines as me they wont come out and say it, theyre sacred of offending Holby City Woman and the benefit scroungers that Labour have created because turkeys dont vote for xmas.
Priority 1: Reduce the size of the public sector by 30%
Priority 2: Drastic simplification the tax system
Priority 3: Drastic overhaul of the benefits system
Do all that in week 1, rip the plaster off, therell be some pain, but the country will be better for it. A year later well be prosperous again with a far greater proportion of our money in the private sector funding jobs and innovation.
The problem is that although I think the Torys are thinking along the same lines as me they wont come out and say it, theyre sacred of offending Holby City Woman and the benefit scroungers that Labour have created because turkeys dont vote for xmas.
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You are probably right, but only because our politicians have no experience of how to deal with the situation. Other countries always have hung parliaments, yet get on with govt just fine.
One thing a hung parliament might do this time round is force the issue of the electoral system which desperately needs changing. Most of us are disenfranchised because the real election takes place only in the marginals, and we need some sort of system that makes every vote count.
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We've had two hung parliaments in Scotland, and personally, I think it's worked out quite well.
Priorities need to be chosen, and every decision is subjected to proper scruitany in relation to the whole nations needs, rather than simply everything getting rubber stamped based on party politics.
The Scottish budget last year was rejected, it simply wasn't approved, and they had to go back and revise. This year's budget is likely to be a bit more robust as a result.
I think in these times where we need good common economic sense, rather than party politics, a hung government could work really well, an extra layer of scruitany on all the big financial decisions.
And we forget the core thing. The UK is a hung electorate. The first past the post system doesn't represent the voting profile, but a hung parliament does. Therefore a hung parliament is probably a best representation of what the people actually want.
Priorities need to be chosen, and every decision is subjected to proper scruitany in relation to the whole nations needs, rather than simply everything getting rubber stamped based on party politics.
The Scottish budget last year was rejected, it simply wasn't approved, and they had to go back and revise. This year's budget is likely to be a bit more robust as a result.
I think in these times where we need good common economic sense, rather than party politics, a hung government could work really well, an extra layer of scruitany on all the big financial decisions.
And we forget the core thing. The UK is a hung electorate. The first past the post system doesn't represent the voting profile, but a hung parliament does. Therefore a hung parliament is probably a best representation of what the people actually want.
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Maybe we need to force them to keep on holding elections until they manage to get it right.
Yup not much of a choice is it!?
There speaks someone who has not returned to a country after a change of currency...wanna see prices rise by 1/3rd? PS boot your prices up right at the beginning whilst everyone is still trying to figure out what it really means.
All parties talk about it but when it comes down to doing anything about it they fail.
BTW watching the three Stooges debate we got bored last night (at least I did not fall asleep this time) and turned off the sound - does anyone else think that old Gobble Gullets looks like this man?
Yup not much of a choice is it!?
There speaks someone who has not returned to a country after a change of currency...wanna see prices rise by 1/3rd? PS boot your prices up right at the beginning whilst everyone is still trying to figure out what it really means.
All parties talk about it but when it comes down to doing anything about it they fail.
BTW watching the three Stooges debate we got bored last night (at least I did not fall asleep this time) and turned off the sound - does anyone else think that old Gobble Gullets looks like this man?
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Does anyone remember margaret thatcher??????
That worked out well didn't it
I also remember the Labour government who preceded her. I was a paper boy in the late 70's. I remember the Lib/Lab pact that failed, I remember rubbish piled up in the streets and I remember dead bodies couldn't be buried. Happy days
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I'm not sure it really matters. Whether it's a majority government, a coalition, or a minority government, it's going to be useless.
In a couple of years, we'll be where Greece is now: with a national debt that can't be paid, strikes every time the government tries to cut spending and headed towards financial meltdown.
Cameron might take us there a bit more slowly than the other two leaders, but his track record is a combination of uselessness, incompetence, stupidity and that look he does like he's a rabbit in headlights.
Steve
In a couple of years, we'll be where Greece is now: with a national debt that can't be paid, strikes every time the government tries to cut spending and headed towards financial meltdown.
Cameron might take us there a bit more slowly than the other two leaders, but his track record is a combination of uselessness, incompetence, stupidity and that look he does like he's a rabbit in headlights.
Steve
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As sorry as this all sounds I would just like to add my 2c and gloat a little. Since my wife (pommy) decided to make the move back to the UK a few years ago 1 aussie dollar bought about 40-43pence...now it is buying about 60 odd pence and we will be arriving in a couple of months. If what they say is true about a hung parliament then by the time we make some currency exchanges later this year it could get even better....
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Far more to do with our wonderfull banking system than who is cock of the North.
Earl
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