How we can stop global warming

[Mike tells it like it is]

Mate you would not believe the abuse I have recieved over the years for saying that.

There is an insidious evil agenda in this country akin to brain washing.

what's frightening is how many clowns believe it and dfened it with such vitriol and violent verbal aggression.

Have you ever tried having a sensible debate about immigration-jessus I have been called hitler for saying tolerance is a wo way street.

 

[90DC]

Mike, I'm sure you've received a lot of abuse for saying many things... It's all in a name!

On the subject matter, I'm glad I'm not alone in my argument against the happy clappy global warming folk. I would say, under the Tory (Bit of Liberal) government, we've not had global warming pushed to the back of our throats as we did under labour and they seem to be talking about, if not acting upon more serious matters, such as how to solve the issue of having no money, not that I totally agree with where they are cutting money from, but that is a seperate issue.

Tony Blair needed to scaremonger people in order to fund his lifestyle.

“It is said that the science around climate change is not as certain as its proponents allege. It doesn’t need to be. What is beyond debate, however, is that there is a huge amount of scientific support for the view that the climate is changing and as a result of human activity,” he said.
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“Therefore, even purely as a matter of precaution, given the seriousness of the consequences if such a view is correct, and the time it will take for action to take effect, we should act. Not to do so would be grossly irresponsible.”
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Labour invented a role in 2008, Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change. Ed Miliband, of all people was the first person to hold that cabinet position, before Labour lost to the coalition last year, where it was then given to (Don't quote me on this, I am not overly sure it's him) Chris Huhne, who is somebody else 'big' on environmental matters as far as I am aware.

 

[Merchant UK]

The Ozone layer has been long forgotten, Remember years ago we were all going to be radiated , That didn't happen and now they've tried something else, The only thing global warming has done is to make some people extremely rich and the govenment a few billion quid in taxes and a lot of foreign companies rich with millions of pounds in grants for windturbines.

Well now is been proved that we're never going to power our country with windturbines alone and the billions of pounds already given away to french and german compaies we could of build a couple of new decent nuclear power stations

Lets stop listening to europe and try to beat unrealistic climate change figures. Its about time the UK listened to what the people want as opposed to what europe wants

 

[dagr]

The Ozone layer has been long forgotten, Remember years ago we were all going to be radiated , That didn't happen and now they've tried something else, The only thing global warming has done is to make some people extremely rich and the govenment a few billion quid in taxes and a lot of foreign companies rich with millions of pounds in grants for windturbines.

Well now is been proved that we're never going to power our country with windturbines alone and the billions of pounds already given away to french and german compaies we could of build a couple of new decent nuclear power stations

Lets stop listening to europe and try to beat unrealistic climate change figures. Its about time the UK listened to what the people want as opposed to what europe wants

Oh dear. This has to be the UKBF's best combined "nonsense" & "shoot myself in the foot" post for a while.

1. If you are in the global warming denial camp, it is key that the ozone layer problem not be mentioned. (Reminder: Global Ozone Layer problem noticed -> After much denial and refusal, a concerted global effort is put in action to do something about it, which includes affecting current industrial practices -> Effects slowly but surely take effect and problem on its way to being fixed). That's why you no longer hear about it that much!!!!!!

2. Unbelievably, the UK had (past tense) a head start in many renewable technologies, but they weren't supported. Other countries invested and caught up and did better. Yes, it's definitely their fault, not the UK's. (Who would the UK blame if it left the EU? Isle of Man? Jersey?)

3. The UK has set itself "green" targets that go way beyond what the EU requires. In fact, with inter-EU CO2 trading, the EU could be said to be holding the UK back in terms of its ambitious emissions control. The big intra-coalition kafuffle last month in the UK parliament was when that George Osborne, that paragon of green ideals, claimed that the UK would implement emissions reductions in line with the EU, i.e. reduce the UK's implementation.

All the points you raised are back to front.

 

[Mike tells it like it is]

Oh dear. This has to be the UKBF's best combined "nonsense" & "shoot myself in the foot" post for a while.

1. If you are in the global warming denial camp, it is key that the ozone layer problem not be mentioned. (Reminder: Global Ozone Layer problem noticed -> After much denial and refusal, a concerted global effort is put in action to do something about it, which includes affecting current industrial practices -> Effects slowly but surely take effect and problem on its way to being fixed). That's why you no longer hear about it that much!!!!!!

2. Unbelievably, the UK had (past tense) a head start in many renewable technologies, but they weren't supported. Other countries invested and caught up and did better. Yes, it's definitely their fault, not the UK's. (Who would the UK blame if it left the EU? Isle of Man? Jersey?)

3. The UK has set itself "green" targets that go way beyond what the EU requires. In fact, with inter-EU CO2 trading, the EU could be said to be holding the UK back in terms of its ambitious emissions control. The big intra-coalition kafuffle last month in the UK parliament was when that George Osborne, that paragon of green ideals, claimed that the UK would implement emissions reductions in line with the EU, i.e. reduce the UK's implementation.

All the points you raised are back to front.

The ozone layer is burnt off by the sun.

when I landed on Grand Bahama in the late 80s on one of Freddie Laykers knackered old plains (having spent 2 hours flying down from Orlando) ozone started coming into the cabin through the air conditioning vents.

 

[Merchant UK]

Oh dear. This has to be the UKBF's best combined "nonsense" & "shoot myself in the foot" post for a while.

1. If you are in the global warming denial camp, it is key that the ozone layer problem not be mentioned. (Reminder: Global Ozone Layer problem noticed -> After much denial and refusal, a concerted global effort is put in action to do something about it, which includes affecting current industrial practices -> Effects slowly but surely take effect and problem on its way to being fixed). That's why you no longer hear about it that much!!!!!!

2. Unbelievably, the UK had (past tense) a head start in many renewable technologies, but they weren't supported. Other countries invested and caught up and did better. Yes, it's definitely their fault, not the UK's. (Who would the UK blame if it left the EU? Isle of Man? Jersey?)

3. The UK has set itself "green" targets that go way beyond what the EU requires. In fact, with inter-EU CO2 trading, the EU could be said to be holding the UK back in terms of its ambitious emissions control. The big intra-coalition kafuffle last month in the UK parliament was when that George Osborne, that paragon of green ideals, claimed that the UK would implement emissions reductions in line with the EU, i.e. reduce the UK's implementation.

All the points you raised are back to front.

Actually i'm over the moon in the billions of pounds in Green Taxes that we have paid in the UK since all this global nosnse came about. At least when the rest of the world is destroyed we will be ok in the Uk cos we've Paid billions in Green Taxes.

I wouldn't worry too much about EU targets, soon there won't be an EU

 

[Davek0974]

soon there won't be an EU

Already got a bottle or two on ice for that day.:redface:

 

[Merchant UK]

Already got a bottle or two on ice for that day.:redface:

Its gonna be one hell of a party

 

[David Griffiths]

Its gonna be one hell of a party

If global warming hasn't melted the ice!

 

[movietub]

Europe and the EU... Finally this thread moves on to discuss something that mankind actually has created, and can claim to affect.

I always wondered how the EU would work out long term. Would we really have a single state? A Single language? A single rulebook? Would it prove to be a good thing or a bad thing when examined in the history books?

Seems likely we will never know. Long before most people have really developed a completely firm opinion on Europe it looks like it's about to fall apart.

This is a good thing, as Europe, more than any other power, bangs on about climate change far too much. The list of ideals made law in Brussels has proven unaffordable and counter-productive.

 

[Merchant UK]

Hitler wanted a United Europe 70 years ago, and very nearly got it, if no one had any balls in 1940 like we have today then, hitlers dream would of worked.

Now you have france, who to be honest hav't acheieved much in the pass 200 years, and germany who has already been the starter of 2 world wars, and edging on for a third.

Already the EU has gotten rid of 2 Elected leaders, whos next and what else is in store for the UK?? Already where being blackmailed with a finance tax for the City of london

The Euro is failing big time, France and Germany want it to succed because without it they'll lose their combined power and be seen as failiures, The UK is not in the Euro, It shouldn't be in the EU

If there was ever a more right time to get out of the EU its got to be now

 

[movietub]

Hitler wanted a United Europe 70 years ago, and very nearly got it, if no one had any balls in 1940 like we have today then, hitlers dream would of worked.

Now you have france, who to be honest hav't acheieved much in the pass 200 years, and germany who has already been the starter of 2 world wars, and edging on for a third.

Already the EU has gotten rid of 2 Elected leaders, whos next and what else is in store for the UK?? Already where being blackmailed with a finance tax for the City of london

The Euro is failing big time, France and Germany want it to succed because without it they'll lose their combined power and be seen as failiures, The UK is not in the Euro, It shouldn't be in the EU

If there was ever a more right time to get out of the EU its got to be now

Perhaps the biggest irony is that without a third war, Germany have sort of won Europe anyway. They are seen as a model to follow now. And if they were to reintroduce the Mark, then it seems very likely it will become common currency across Europe irrespective of becoming an official EU currency. A bit like the US dollar.

As it happens I'm a massive fan of Germany and am about to spend my 30th Birthday there

Think of it as identical to England in almost every way... Except without the chavs and all the stuff that never works over here, always works over there.

 

[Merchant UK]

This article really help me understand why we should take action to prevent global warming. Seriously good.
http://www.squidoo.com/stop-global-warming-prevent-catastrophic-climate-change

and can we do it, If every single person in the UK went almost Bankrupt at paying for these so called ECO taxes, and we did everything possible to prevent global warming would we save the Planet :|

The answer is a very short no, No matter how much the Goverment tax us for so call green and eco taxes, no matter how many times we recycle and do everything so green its unreal, there is never in a million years the uk will come to a point that we have saved the planet.

If the USA, Russia, China, India, and all the countries of south america are hell bent on carrying on regardless, then everything we do in the UK to save the planet is Pure poop. The Only reason we do it is because there are certain individuals and companies getting extremely rich, and the government have found another tax stream worth billions each year.

So shall we save the Planet, No thanks i have enough problems Saving my Mortgage and my house

 

[Davek0974]

If the USA, Russia, China, India, and all the countries of south america are hell bent on carrying on regardless, then everything we do in the UK to save the planet is Pure poop. The Only reason we do it is because there are certain individuals and companies getting extremely rich, and the government have found another tax stream worth billions each year.

So shall we save the Planet, No thanks i have enough problems Saving my Mortgage and my house

sums it up, right there.

 

[movietub]

and can we do it, If every single person in the UK went almost Bankrupt at paying for these so called ECO taxes, and we did everything possible to prevent global warming would we save the Planet :|

The answer is a very short no, No matter how much the Goverment tax us for so call green and eco taxes, no matter how many times we recycle and do everything so green its unreal, there is never in a million years the uk will come to a point that we have saved the planet.

If the USA, Russia, China, India, and all the countries of south america are hell bent on carrying on regardless, then everything we do in the UK to save the planet is Pure poop. The Only reason we do it is because there are certain individuals and companies getting extremely rich, and the government have found another tax stream worth billions each year.

So shall we save the Planet, No thanks i have enough problems Saving my Mortgage and my house

Even if all mankind's activities stopped, including dying and rotting, or eating and so on... We would only delay the point where things start to go seriously iffy for about 6 years.

People need to get a grip and understand that whilst mankind has polluted a lot compared to previous times, that the overall contribution we have made to global warming is irrelevant.

It's almost big headed of the green brigade to imagine that us, as a species that has been on this planet for literally no time at all, could make much of a difference to anything.

The planets still coming out of an ice age. It's supposed to be getting a lot hotter. It's basically not normal for this planet to be cold enough for humans to survive easily.

So run around screaming by all means, it's quite scary stuff. But thinking you can stop it is like farting in to the path of a tornado. A complete waste of time.

 

[Davek0974]

Even IF and that is a seriously contentious IF we could do something about global warming, it is exactly that - GLOBAL warming or climate change or whatever tag you want to pin on it.

If a change was to be possible, and we know its not, then any change we made must be applied GLOBALLY not country by country and certainly not by so-called carbon offsetting where we [UK] cripple ourselves just so the likes of India and such can carry on polluting like mad. When we are in a position for the whole world to take action then a choice can be made, it will still have no effect but will at least be made on a fair playing ground.

The whole climate/warming/cooling thing is just a way of keeping people under control and taxing them for anything possible by making it 'seem' like it is life or death not to. People are gullible and susceptible to lies that come from high up. Do a 'government' report that says tomatoes are bad for you and tomato sales will plummet even though the report was made up, people will follow like sheep.

And I'm NOT saying we should all go out and buy the biggest and thirstiest cars possible, as making the most of what this planet does have only makes sense, but taxing the hell out of my fuel bills etc for climate change is just ludicrous and laughable.

 

[movietub]

Even IF and that is a seriously contentious IF we could do something about global warming, it is exactly that - GLOBAL warming or climate change or whatever tag you want to pin on it.

If a change was to be possible, and we know its not, then any change we made must be applied GLOBALLY not country by country and certainly not by so-called carbon offsetting where we [UK] cripple ourselves just so the likes of India and such can carry on polluting like mad. When we are in a position for the whole world to take action then a choice can be made, it will still have no effect but will at least be made on a fair playing ground.

The whole climate/warming/cooling thing is just a way of keeping people under control and taxing them for anything possible by making it 'seem' like it is life or death not to. People are gullible and susceptible to lies that come from high up. Do a 'government' report that says tomatoes are bad for you and tomato sales will plummet even though the report was made up, people will follow like sheep.

And I'm NOT saying we should all go out and buy the biggest and thirstiest cars possible, as making the most of what this planet does have only makes sense, but taxing the hell out of my fuel bills etc for climate change is just ludicrous and laughable.

The irony is we could do something about it, possibly. But only if we flip peoples attitudes and instead of trying to tippy toe and be as clean as we can (which is pointless) we instead go in guns blazing and attempt to use technology to delay, potentially even solve the problem.

Literally the only short to medium term problem with global warming is just that, warming. And changes in seasons upset easily enough planetary systems to make life very awkward, especially for an ordered and civilised society that expects crops to grow as they have done for the last 500 years, in roughly the same place. Short term there are all sorts of things we could be doing to prepare for the inevitable but instead we are putting all our resources into efforts that at best will only delay the inevitable for a short while and then leave us no better equipped to cope when things really start to change.

Did you know we can produce massive quantities of ozone for example? Easily enough to offset what has been destroyed by CFCs in the upper atmosphere. Technology broke it, and as always a few years later technology has advanced some more and is able to fix it.

I do tend to agree with you about control. I can't think of any other reason more isn't being done on a practical level.

 

[Davek0974]

I do tend to agree with you about control. I can't think of any other reason more isn't being done on a practical level.

I think its similar to battery/electric vehicles, im sure we could be way further ahead, even have fuel-cell cars by now if they were not being held back or at least under-funded by governments due to the loss in fuel duty they will suffer. I know they will get some income from the use of electricity for charging but nowhere near as much as the UK govt currently cream us for on fuels, so i am sure they keep emerging technologies on a back-burner so it looks like they are trying but are held back by technology instead of other covert reasons.

Also diesel - its cheaper to make than petrol, is very efficient in vehicles and yet it costs us more. For many years it was cheaper then it suddenly jumped up when they realised they could blame global warming on it and by suddenly taxing us more, we could all help save the world

 

[Merchant UK]

The answer needs to have an clear economic rationale. In essence the argument hinges on three factors:
Uncertainty about the potential impact
Irreversibility of the impact should it arise
Discount factor to be applied to account for the impact happening well into the future
This article provides a comprehensive and balanced view:

The issue is with Trust, With most people they would bend over backwards to help there community, their town, and even their country but when we've been taxed to the hilt with various green taxes and all to save the planet, people finally realise that no matter how much we pay into the green cause, its never ever going to work, and the Government instead of investing in the next level of Nulclear Power stations have gone full steam ahead with useless wind turbines, which may meet "Targets" in Europe but dosn't meet our Engery needs.

Now we have to buy our electric in bulk fro the french who produce it on their nuclear reactors (So are we green at all???)

Plus the sexed up document from the University of east anglian or Essex? Remember they made Climate Change worst than it was, why??? Cos they are getting millions of pound in grants for research.

There is still no solid proof that the earth is warming up, Its the same as whats been happening for thousands of years, the only thing that keeps going up is the amount of money we're being conned out of and all for Global warming.

What People want is this...

Our Own Cheap, Clean method of providing engery of the UK at Prices which are affordable.

at the moment were paying over the odds for gas and electric because we have to buy it aboard. We have to Live for NOW, not worry about the future because the rate we're going there's not much of a future there for our kids

 

[Davek0974]

We could be held to ransom easily by any ofthe countries that now supply us with electricity, gas or oil. we are are something like 10-15 years behind in building new nuclear power stations, wind power is a fallacy to appease the sheeple and will never be effective. This country is in a bloody state and yet they still cream us for climate change levy, green taxes, basically make us think we are saving the planet on our own and we are all doomed if we disagree. Surely dropping all the green nonsense, reducing fuel duty massively etc would help stimulate the country back into growth rather than taxing it to death just to save the planet?

 

[hmmm]

 

[Davek0974]

Well obviously we should be paying towards controlling volcano's and maybe some solar radiation control tax would help save us all

 

[hmmm]

had we been around 25000 years ago imagine how freaked we would be to learn 25000 years later we are still here 7billion of us. and the people of today thinking they started it . wacko

 

[david.duncan]

Found this. Ps. not in the Daily mail. http://globalwarming-facts.info/50-tips.html

 

[Digger]

Blimey - is this still going?
This thread will outlast all of us

 

[vvaannmmaann]

Blimey - is this still going?
This thread will outlast all of us

Of course it will,it's powered by hot air.

 

[grayensmith]

Efficient use of energy provides maximum performance at the moment. Almost every utility has literature showing that we could save enough energy right now with current technology, to withdraw all coal plants in the country. Have the answers here are some ways to save energy. Save money, too.
Whatever your views on nuclear power plants, large will not be capable of significant contributions in the short term. Land acquisition, construction time, and the difficulty of financing large projects as it happens.

 

[grayensmith]

Hi friends this very good topic,
Efficient use of energy provides maximum performance at the moment. Almost every utility has literature showing that we could save enough energy right now with current technology, to withdraw all coal plants in the country. Have the answers here are some ways to save energy. Save money, too.
Whatever your views on nuclear power plants, large will not be capable of significant contributions in the short term. Land acquisition, construction time, and the difficulty of financing large projects as it happens.

 

[carlamartin99]

To protect our earth layer zone, We should discipline our selves to avoid trash fire and harmful industry.

 

[hmmm]

'Methane fields on a scale not seen before' - researcher

More than 100 fountains, but could be 'thousands'

Could cause rapid climate change
The Russian research vessel Academician Lavrentiev conducted a survey of 10,000 square miles of sea off the coast of eastern Siberia.

They made a terrifying discovery - huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed.

'We found more than 100 fountains, some more than a kilometre across,' said Dr Igor Semiletov, 'These are methane fields on a scale not seen before. The emissions went directly into the atmosphere.

Earlier research conducted by Semiletov's team had concluded that the amount of methane currently coming out of the East Siberian Arctic Shelf is comparable to the amount coming out of the entire world's oceans.

Now Semiletov thinks that could be an underestimate.

The melting of the arctic shelf is melting 'permafrost' under the sea, which is releasing methane stored in the seabed as methane gas.

These releases can be larger and more abrupt than any land-based release. The East Siberian Arctic Shelf is a methane-rich area that encompasses more than 2 million square kilometers of seafloor in the Arctic Ocean.


'Earlier we found torch or fountain-like structures like this,' Semiletov told the Independent. 'This is the first time that we've found continuous, powerful and impressive seeping structures, more than 1,000 metres in diameter. It's amazing.'

'Over a relatively small area, we found more than 100, but over a wider area, there should be thousands of them.'

Semiletov's team used seismic and acoustic monitors to detect methane bubbles rising to the surface.

Scientists estimate that the methane trapped under the ice shelf could lead to extremely rapid climate change.

Current average methane concentrations in the Arctic average about 1.85 parts per million, the highest in 400,000 years. Concentrations above the East Siberian Arctic Shelf are even higher.

The shelf is shallow, 50 meters or less in depth, which means it has been alternately submerged or above water, depending on sea levels throughout Earth's history.

During Earth's coldest periods, it is a frozen arctic coastal plain, and does not release methane.

As the planet warms and sea levels rise, it is inundated with seawater, which is 12-15 degrees warmer than the average air temperature.

In deep water, methane gas oxidizes into carbon dioxide before it reaches the surface. In the shallows of the East Siberian Arctic Shelf, methane simply doesn't have enough time to oxidize, which means more of it escapes into the atmosphere.

That, combined with the sheer amount of methane in the region, could add a previously uncalculated variable to climate models

 

[Websitehandyman]

how does the global warming is going to affect our planet? What can we do about it? Is it as real as people say it is?

What can we do about it ? well if you think they are correct in their predictions and the curve won't turn then the is only one option open to us that will make the slightest difference .............NUKE CHINA !

 

[vvaannmmaann]

Are you familiar with the concept of M.A.D. ?

 

[david.duncan]

what, no more Frozen Planet?

 

[hmmm]

Are you familiar with the concept of M.A.D. ?

we all crazy mo fo,s

 

[athanne]

First of all U.N.E.P. should make governments all over the world view global warming as a great menace to mankind and then team up with them to draw an effective programme on the issue. After this, world states should take action and synthesize their citizens on the effects of global warming and how to curb it. Of course, as at now there could be such a programme but I don't think it is working pretty well. I also feel that some of the greatly industrious nations are reluctant to take a quick action towards this issue.

 

[hmmm]

hmmmm.
the oceans are huge.
no people or factories in them
the forests are large.
hardly any people living in them .no factories to speak of
the deserts are big
no factories hardly any people
then we have country side or out backs mountains and such.hardly any people no factories to worry about there either.
then we have ice.
no many people or factories there to speak of

then we have countries that really dont do much


so how much land sea ice is left?


are we really that big?
really?

 

[athanne]

It seems there are different opinions towards global warming. Some seem to agree that it is a real menace in waiting. Others feel that it is a concept by scientists to enable governments to press down their citizens with higher taxations. Still others feel that their could be indeed some negative effects on environment but man has no power to revert. They seem to wonder why they should cease to enjoy the source of energy provided by God. Can U.N.E.P. respond in to this opinions and spearhead it's global environmental friendly programme.

 

[rosstailor]

yes it is true and it can affect Planet earth badly. we can do certain things to stop Global Warming:
1. Recycle organic waste
2. start reusing shopping bag
3. Plant a tree
4. reduce waste

 

[Davek0974]

That will not stop it, it may have an effect on it though, probably around 0.000001% of a difference

 

[lurzan]

We can't stop global warming unless we change our mindset. Increasing transportation use is a cause of global warming due to emissions produced by them. The question is how many of us are willing to live without a car or other everyday vehicles?