How we can stop global warming

[hmmm]

check out methane outage from the tundra

 

[garytulley]

check out methane outage from the tundra

"When the permafrost melts, it releases carbon in the form of carbon dioxide and methane, both of which are greenhouse gases. The effect has been observed in Alaska. In the 1970s the tundra was a carbon sink, but today, it is a carbon source."

Well that explains the last 40 years of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere, what about the other 60 years of noticable difference in carbon dioxide levels? Which amazingly starting rising as we moved into our industrial age.

As you can see from the graph natual gas curves upwards noticably around the 1970s which would support your comment about methane.

Natual sources are contributing to this but hell, we are making an impact.

"The present level is higher than at any time during the last 800 thousand years, and likely higher than in the past 20 million years."

 

[AdamJ]

I think you're mixing your gasses - natural gas is gas used as fuel, methane is methane. That graph doesn't seem to show carbon output and certainly not methane output, it seems to show carbon use only (as the scale only says tons of Carbon/year so doesn't mention used or emitted). Hence it correlates so closely to the growth of industry.

 

[garytulley]

I think you're mixing your gasses - natural gas is gas used as fuel, methane is methane. That graph doesn't seem to show carbon output and certainly not methane output, it seems to show carbon use only (as the scale only says tons of Carbon/year so doesn't mention used or emitted). Hence it correlates so closely to the growth of industry.

I thought natual gas covered all types of gases, my bad

Well here is a pie chart showing the release of methane into our atmosphere.

 

[MASSEY]

Yeah it will be interesting to see what is under that ice, who knows, there might be perfect remains of some dinosaurs

Go to a museum it's full of them.

 

[garytulley]

Go to a museum it's full of them.

By perfect remains I mean remains that still have flesh and furr. Not just the skeleton structure We can only guess what dinosaurs may have looked like.

Wouldn't it be cool if one of they came back to life?

 

[hmmm]

"When the permafrost melts, it releases carbon in the form of carbon dioxide and methane, both of which are greenhouse gases. The effect has been observed in Alaska. In the 1970s the tundra was a carbon sink, but today, it is a carbon source."

Well that explains the last 40 years of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere, what about the other 60 years of noticable difference in carbon dioxide levels? Which amazingly starting rising as we moved into our industrial age.

As you can see from the graph natual gas curves upwards noticably around the 1970s which would support your comment about methane.

Natual sources are contributing to this but hell, we are making an impact.

"The present level is higher than at any time during the last 800 thousand years, and likely higher than in the past 20 million years."

likely is not good enough its guess work......
i sure think we contribute to all this i also thinnk earth contributes to it more and that is theone thing not you or i can stop..even if we tried and succeeded i would hazzard a guess we would create more trouble of something else...
its a very harsh reality that earth does not sit in the same place nor does our solar system.we are canstantly moving around the sun which is also moving around the milky way bring us along for the trip..
we no doubt will be,are,have encountered much change on earth due to this which may make our cycles and history for guide deemed worthless.buttill such time then we must use history as a guide.....
all around us at this moment are records being set and your graph is just another one of them....but what is controling what?
the change?
the goo?
the new age ?
humans ? i doubt this one above all

 

[hmmm]

By perfect remains I mean remains that still have flesh and furr. Not just the skeleton structure We can only guess what dinosaurs may have looked like.

Wouldn't it be cool if one of they came back to life?

agreed i think that would be very cool...

just as cool would be one of a human

 

[td2011]

We could think and act more independently and more responsibly.

 

[markmax]

Simply go green.

 

[markmax]

Simply, go green.

 

[movietub]

Simply, go green.

The question was how to stop global warming, going green won't do that.

The only correct answer to the OP is we cannot stop global warming, we are not Gods! We don't have the power to stop a planet from warming uo and cooling down as it settles!

 

[webstore]

What's really scary is how the sea could rise - see -
geology.com/sea-level-rise/netherlands.shtml
especially for us with homes & businesses by the coast.

Incidentally if you are into buying or selling carbon credits or help others reduce their carbon footprint you can list your website completely free at our new carbon-credits.tv website.

 

[leo21]

how? while countries in the world has begun to freely compete with each technological advancement .... also now has a free trade. geothermal our automatic increases because of this industry. in the competition so they do not automatically see the impact. without thinking of nature .... as a refuge place.

 

[AdamJ]

We could think and act more independently and more responsibly.

The two don't go hand in hand. As people, we all love disapproving of what other people do and their choices, so what we really mean is "act less independently and in accordance with my beliefs and choices, not yours".

 

[Davek0974]

As mentioned, we are not gods, we cannot control the planet.

Carbon offsetting is pointless.

Global warming is a scare tactic being used to make money.

Going green is not carbon friendly, it costs more to make a green car than it does to maintain a slightly older one efficiently.

The word is GLOBAL, to help the problem, it needs to be tackled GLOBALLY not piecemeal by making one country offset the poor output of another, it needs to be done GLOBALLY in one go, i.e. the whole planet needs to clean up its act of forget about it and get on with life.

Latest reports have shown that despite all our green taxes and efforts, pollution has risen not fallen, due to the uncontrollable output of countries like India and China.

We should be looking at recyling properly and in a global sense not just our wheely bins, stopping deforestation etc.

But..

As there are no global police forces (yet) no one is going to do anything globally.

 

[lolypoly]

If we are environment friendly than we should follow Eco C.S.R.. It means corporate social responsibility. It is requested to all business champion to go through it and help to save our environment. It is their responsibility towards society.

 

[AdamJ]

If we are environment friendly than we should follow Eco C.S.R.. It means corporate social responsibility. It is requested to all business champion to go through it and help to save our environment. It is their responsibility towards society.

My responsibility towards society is to create a business which provides employees with a good wage, allowing them to have a decent standard of living and contribute towards their chosen area of economy. It is not my responsibility to fix the world's ills.

 

[hmmm]

It is not my responsibility to fix the world's ills.

hmmm

 

[Merchant UK]

Good thing the Chinese are using Cold Fired Engery power stations as its now creating a cooler Climate, Global warming has been now replace with Global Cooling

At least the polar bears are happy.

 

[lolypoly]

Hi all

Tax to save ozone is good idea. we all are suffering from environment pollution. there are several reason of pollution.we have to save our environment. there is a new concept if people use public transport or whole family use one car in spite of separate it will reduce pollution.

 

[williams22]

There is nothing change(climate) in the country am living in ..... Yes! of course prices have been increased in all kinds especially the petrol price has been increased to Rs 50 to Rs 71 at a time.... and also all the home products.. its this the effect of GLOBAL WARMING

 

[lolypoly]

you are right price of petrol and many more thins are increased like LPG cylinder sugar milk these are the basic thing . we have to do something.

 

[Davek0974]

I really don't think we have any control as such.

We may be able to influence things a little but control it, come on!

In my view, all major polluting countries should be looked at first, not the cleaner ones! Why are we all suffering this green tax nonsense etc just so that countries the likes of China and India can pump out thousands of times more pollution without worrying about it?

Yes, cleaner cars, more efficient energy usage is always good, but it would also make sense to stop the deforestation on an apocalyptic scale that goes on every day and similar issues. Nonsense like the car scrappage scheme that saw 1000's of serviceable cars scrapped just so we could replace them with new ones, seems like a good idea but those cars caused pollution when made and also the old ones will cause pollution when scrapped and recycled, it may have helped a few jobs but nothing else. Recycling is more effective than making new.

 

[Swisaw]

Good thing the Chinese are using Cold Fired Engery power stations as its now creating a cooler Climate, Global warming has been now replace with Global Cooling

At least the polar bears are happy.

How it works? do have any detailsd?

 

[Merchant UK]

How it works? do have any detailsd?

Ha ha I meant Coal Fired

 

[Merchant UK]

thats a great comment

Taxes to prevent ozone layer? There were no taxes? Nobody said we were going to die of radiation either? You should stop reading the Daily Mail mate
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Actally it was in the Times

 

[MH1]

The best way to stop global warming is to leave your fridge and freezer doors open.

 

[movietub]

This whole thread is so pointless. We can't stop global warming, end of. Does anyone seriously believe a thin crust of humans on the surface of a planet this size can disrupt it's natural cycle of warming and cooling?

It's supposed to be getting hotter. It's a fact. If our species gets wiped out then so what? We have been here for something like 0.0001% of the time life in general has been on this planet. We don't have a god given right to be here forever.

Anyone that wants to ensure our survival needs to accept that being stuck on a single, volitile planet, is never going to be a safe long term bet. You should burn as much fossil fuel, polute as much as possible, whatever it takes to push technology forwards to the point we can colonise another planet. This planet is not special. It's just the place that our particular breed of slime managed to evolve on. There are millions like it, and one burns every week.

Small thinking really winds me up, especially when it's broadcast as fact.

 

[Davek0974]

This whole thread is so pointless. We can't stop global warming, end of. Does anyone seriously believe a thin crust of humans on the surface of a planet this size can disrupt it's natural cycle of warming and cooling?

It's supposed to be getting hotter. It's a fact. If our species gets wiped out then so what? We have been here for something like 0.0001% of the time life in general has been on this planet. We don't have a god given right to be here forever.

Anyone that wants to ensure our survival needs to accept that being stuck on a single, volitile planet, is never going to be a safe long term bet. You should burn as much fossil fuel, polute as much as possible, whatever it takes to push technology forwards to the point we can colonise another planet. This planet is not special. It's just the place that our particular breed of slime managed to evolve on. There are millions like it, and one burns every week.

Small thinking really winds me up, especially when it's broadcast as fact.

Amen to that.

 

[movietub]

I think there are many ways to stop global warming but here I share only one way which is very unknown for us, That is old cell phones,it also creates pollution in environment and we never noticed it we just through in open environment our old cell phones instead of this we have to cell this old cell phones to recycling sites ,this sites used this cell phones for recycling purpose and also generate their revenues..

For crying out loud! Stop saying 'stop' global warming!! It's impossible to stop global warming. If humans had never stepped foot on this planet, it would still be getting warmer.

'Cell' as many cell phones as you want to the recycling sites. It still won't give you the god-like ability to change how the planet works.

As for polar bear comments... Oh come on! They live in icy parts of the planet which are not supposed to have ice on them. As a result they are appearing further and further south. In other words, yes their natural habitat is going to dissapear, as it has done several times before. Are they adapting as well as possible? - Yes. Is it any of our business? - No.

 

[MASSEY]

For crying out loud! Stop saying 'stop' global warming!! It's impossible to stop global warming. If humans had never stepped foot on this planet, it would still be getting warmer.

Do you not think over the last few hundred years of burning and fumes that the atmosphere has not warmed up slightly because of it? Do you not think the amount of trees that have been felled have decreased the absorbing of the carbon, also the trees that were felled released all the carbon they had trapped.

I have seen suggestion that the recent cooling could be caused by the use of hairspray by the middle eastern countries blocking out sun rays.

 

[movietub]

Do you not think over the last few hundred years of burning and fumes that the atmosphere has not warmed up slightly because of it? Do you not think the amount of trees that have been felled have decreased the absorbing of the carbon, also the trees that were felled released all the carbon they had trapped.

I have seen suggestion that the recent cooling could be caused by the use of hairspray by the middle eastern countries blocking out sun rays.

I think you should read things more carefully!

My issue is with people staying 'stop' global warming. Not reduce it, but stop what is a natural process. A natural process that every single minute involves more energy than we have generated as a species since day one.

The amount of CO2 we have generated due to technology is almost irrelevant. Think along the lines of coughing in the same direction as a 100mph wind. Wow, it's now going at 100.0002mph. Yes you have affected it, yes you could have reduced your affect. Either way someones fence is still going to get blown down.

The hairspray stories you have heard have nothing to do with hairspray specifically, and everything to do with CFC's. A cheap, nasty agent used in all early aerosol cans. Also in early fridges. This stuff has had the biggest impact of anything we have ever done to impact global warming. Not because in itself it is a greenhouse gas - it isn't. But it does destroy ozone in the upper atmosphere - the ozone hole. This excascerbates the affect of warming. In reality the qty used commercially now is next to nothing. The damage was done beteen the 50's and the 90's. Nothing we can do now will destroy the free CFCs for a very long time.

In short, the total effect on global warming, over and above the natural cycle, is fractional. And the biggest part of the effect we have had has already happened and is effectively now halted. There really is nothing we can do about the ongoing situation as it's governed by nature. Although there are people working on ozone generation (I use smaller scale ozone generators myself) which could have a huge beneficial effect - unfortunately they are currently being refused planning permission due, ironically, to ecological impact issues by the US forrestry association.

As for the rainforests, we don't need them. Yes they currently convert the largest amount of CO2 back to oxygen compared to any other single natural 'lung', but that is only because they are the biggest single groups of dense plant life. If they were all destroyed tomorrow, there would simply be an explosion of weeds, algae, moss etc all over the place that would instead thrive on the CO2 that had become available. It may be sad to see large areas of plant life go, but plants grow all over the place and will always grow faster as/if more CO2 is available to them. Algae can do the same job as a rainforest.

 

[MASSEY]

I think you should read things more carefully!

My issue is with people staying 'stop' global warming. Not reduce it, but stop what is a natural process. A natural process that every single minute involves more energy than we have generated as a species since day one.

The amount of CO2 we have generated due to technology is almost irrelevant. Think along the lines of coughing in the same direction as a 100mph wind. Wow, it's now going at 100.0002mph. Yes you have affected it, yes you could have reduced your affect. Either way someones fence is still going to get blown down.

The hairspray stories you have heard have nothing to do with hairspray specifically, and everything to do with CFC's. A cheap, nasty agent used in all early aerosol cans. Also in early fridges. This stuff has had the biggest impact of anything we have ever done to impact global warming. Not because in itself it is a greenhouse gas - it isn't. But it does destroy ozone in the upper atmosphere - the ozone hole. This excascerbates the affect of warming. In reality the qty used commercially now is next to nothing. The damage was done beteen the 50's and the 90's. Nothing we can do now will destroy the free CFCs for a very long time.

In short, the total effect on global warming, over and above the natural cycle, is fractional. And the biggest part of the effect we have had has already happened and is effectively now halted. There really is nothing we can do about the ongoing situation as it's governed by nature. Although there are people working on ozone generation (I use smaller scale ozone generators myself) which could have a huge beneficial effect - unfortunately they are currently being refused planning permission due, ironically, to ecological impact issues by the US forrestry association.

As for the rainforests, we don't need them. Yes they currently convert the largest amount of CO2 back to oxygen compared to any other single natural 'lung', but that is only because they are the biggest single groups of dense plant life. If they were all destroyed tomorrow, there would simply be an explosion of weeds, algae, moss etc all over the place that would instead thrive on the CO2 that had become available. It may be sad to see large areas of plant life go, but plants grow all over the place and will always grow faster as/if more CO2 is available to them. Algae can do the same job as a rainforest.

Maybe you are right, but we do need to be cleaner. I think you might be under estimating how our contributions of carbon could speed the process up by being ignorant. Currently it is not viable to go green, but in the long run it will save us money and at least we will be being conscious, i don't think we can take a sod it attitude. The world will be uninhabitable one day, but why not try to do what we can and get as much life out of it as we can. Even if over the next hundred years we have helped stop the increase by a couple of degrees it all helps.

I do my bit anyway, my back garden is like a mini jungle at the moment

 

[movietub]

One thing that has always struck me about environmental debates: There are always 3 clear groups.

1) Those that believe it is a man made catastrophy.

2) Those that don't.

3) Those that don't care.

I fit into the second group. Which I have to say is typically the only group that can back up their opinions by demonstrating they actually understand the situation.

Time after time on this very thread people have posted figures showing CO2 climbing and other examples of how climate change is happening. They have also shown factual evidence that man has contributed. But these people never seem to make, or even understand the link between the two. The fact that man has contributed to climate change and the fact that the climate is changing in a way that could harm us does not make it mans fault.

I have (hand on heart here) yet to get involved in a debate with anyone that believes we are to blame that has been able to remain in the debate, making any sort of sense, for as long as I have. It's a shame as I love debating, I would care a great deal if the green thinkers put forward evidence contrary to what I currently believe - but it never happens! People are out there, genuinly terrified about climate change. They shout their views whenever an opportunity exists but they never seem to have done any research into the matter themselves - how sad is that?

I research a lot. I want to understand, it's my planet too of course. So how weird is it that someone who basically thinks the green movement should get real has found the time to better understand what the green movement are actually rattling on about than they have?

 

[MASSEY]

Yes it's a difficult topic really; i can very well believe there are people out there that blame it all on man. You will always get those types of people. It's probably partially because we don't like to feel like things are out of our control.

 

[movietub]

Maybe you are right, but we do need to be cleaner. I think you might be under estimating how our contributions of carbon could speed the process up by being ignorant. Currently it is not viable to go green, but in the long run it will save us money and at least we will be being conscious, i don't think we can take a sod it attitude. The world will be uninhabitable one day, but why not try to do what we can and get as much life out of it as we can. Even if over the next hundred years we have helped stop the increase by a couple of degrees it all helps.

I do my bit anyway, my back garden is like a mini jungle at the moment

I don't think I underestimate our impact. It's just it really is tiny. I do agree we should be as clean as possible of course. Clearly burning fossil fuel is not going to last forever and it is dirty.

I also agree we should do what we can. The problem is that cutting our contribution has so little impact. The irony is that most people blame technology for screwing the planet, but really higher technology is the only thing that can give us the ability to secure our species future long term. What happened to the dinosaurs could happen to us tomorrow for instance. Systems we don't even understand could conspire to throw us into an iceage even.

The most ironic thing is that new technology that could get our species a foothold on mars, for instance, isn't popular. And that's because green technologies are getting all the limelight.

So far we are the closest any species have come to escaping total relience on a single planet. Think how important that is compared to focussing all our efforts on delaying something we can't stop by a few years.

 

[movietub]

It's probably partially because we don't like to feel like things are out of our control.

Yes that's exactly it! The apparently 'common sense' way of solving a problem is so often not the most effective though. Anyone can hear the planet is heating up and agree that cutting our emissions should be the most important goal. It makes so much sense to any casual thinker. Doesn't always mean it's the best thing to focus on though!

 

[CESSCOTLTD]

My opinion on this topic doesnt matter but what I will say is that the number of businesses who have jumped on to the "Green" credentials bandwagon is totally astonishing. Everything now appears to have a carbon value, banks have created products that allow you to "offset" your carbon footprint.
How do they do that? Do they possess some machine that will magically reverse your carbon footprint back into its original components?..
erm No, If you pay them x amount, they will print you off a nice shiny certificate that proclaims you have paid x amount into a green fund that will probably end up in the pocket of a over paid bureaucratic minister somewhere who oversees green development.
The only good thing to come out of it is they have developed Heat pumps for domestic heating, which is what I install now.. so yes.. I am jumping on that bandwagon of Green'ness, come and get yer Heat pumps, they're luvverly!
Seriously though, they will help reduce your energy bills in the long term, gas prices are only going to rise as it becomes a scarcer commodity. The green credentials are a matter for your own view on things because they do actually consume electricity and unless it is from a renewable source, can it be called a Green technology?.. Probably not, but then again, do i care..again, probably not..as long as my gas bills disappear and someone wants heat pumps installing...

 

[movietub]

My opinion on this topic doesnt matter but what I will say is that the number of businesses who have jumped on to the "Green" credentials bandwagon is totally astonishing. Everything now appears to have a carbon value, banks have created products that allow you to "offset" your carbon footprint.
How do they do that? Do they possess some machine that will magically reverse your carbon footprint back into its original components?..
erm No, If you pay them x amount, they will print you off a nice shiny certificate that proclaims you have paid x amount into a green fund that will probably end up in the pocket of a over paid bureaucratic minister somewhere who oversees green development.

I was on a virgin atlantic flight a few weeks ago. At the end of each flight they asked us all to leave behind any newspapers or magazines that we had finished with to aid them in hitting their recycling targets.

Think about that for a moment... So everyone leaves their mags on the plane which virgin collect, weigh and then recycle. Is this good? I'm not so sure! What this actually means is that Virgin can claim they have hit their target for recycling not by recycling more of their own stuff, but by collecting stuff from others to recycle. In other words by collecting others recyclable material they can increase their recycling rate on paper without actually making their business more green at all. They can say they are recycling 10% more or whatever, and still use the same amount of printed media and office paper as they used to. And most of the mags they collect would ultimatley have been recycled anyway.

So yeah I agree. Businesses swarming round the green bandwagon is starting to become a little corny. I mean it's great if you invent something which improves on function and also reduces environmental impact. But tagging pointless green incentives to all your products and services? That just strikes me as cheap and suggests the company has forgotten it's core business. I.E. the qualities of what it is they actually sell. I don't need Virgin to tell me how green they are. I assume they will be trying their best. If they are lucky enough to have my attention span they should be telling me how good value they are and why I should fly with them!!