How I Lost £3600 using Virtual Assistants

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About 18 months ago I decided I wanted to expand my website building operations by building an offshore team of VA's.

At the time I was building anywhere between 2-4 niche websites a month, which I would then use to promote relevant offers once these sites had traffic. I had been outsourcing for a long time and had never had any major issues.

I had the budget and done the figures. I wanted the team to be based in the Philippines and approached several outsourcing companies to test their responsiveness and communication skills.

I ended up going with a company that came strongly recommended from a friend and mentor who had a similar business model to my own, and who was using the same company to run his business (he was building several sites a month).

The team consisted of 2x full time writers and 2x full time back linkers who would take away the majority of my workload and free my time. Well at least that was the plan. All I had to do was train them, set them in the right direction and manage them.

Easy right?

No. The whole thing turned into a disaster.

Before I knew it 3 months had gone, I'd blown nearly £4000 and had nothing noteworthy to show of it.

It was a two-sided coin.

One one side I understood that these VA's weren't going to be fully functional on day 1. I had no past relationship with them and we had to get to know each other. They needed time to understand my business model, how things worked and the quality I expected.

On the otherside how much time do you invest before it becomes a loss making operation? How do you know when to pull the plug?

I gave myself 3 months to get things going. I changed a couple of VA's when I realised they weren't capable of delivering to the standard I desired, but in the end the whole project collapsed.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't some newbie throwing money at the whole VA 'buzz' thing; I'd been outsourcing projects offshore to India and the Philippines for years. I understood how to build relationships with offshore VA's and how to get the most out of them. I had a mini-plan for the project with its own cash flow forecast and I knew exactly what this ioeration should be generating in 6, 12 and 18 months' time. I had operation manuals and daily report templates. Yet I still managed to cock it up.


What Went Wrong?
I made some small and painfully obvious mistakes that I wanted to share with anyone considering building a virtual team within their business. The failure of this project is by no means limited to these mistakes, but these are the things that stand out most in my mind.


1. There is a BIG difference between using VA's for individual projects and building a virtual team for your company.

When you use VA's for individual projects you're typically dealing with them on a 1-on-1 basis; it's you and them. With a team of VA's they will almost certainly be communicating between each other and directly with you and your business. One of the reasons I chose to use an outsourcing company (as opposed to independant VA's) was that I could have all my employees working in and from the same environment, making the chances of this virtual business unit succeeding much more likely. However, I severley underestimated the complexity of this interdependent relationship and the amount of time I needed to invest to get it working. First I had to get the right employees on board, then I had to get them working and interwoven together. This was a much bigger task than I planned/budgeted for and was by far my biggest mistake.


2. I didn't have a suitable framework to manage these VA's as a unit.

The keyword here is team. I created clear operation manuals for each individual VA, each of which had step-by-step instructions on exactly what to do and how. Every VA had a report to fill out and send along with their completed work at the end of each day. However, it never occurred to me to create a suitable framework to manage the team as a whole. I had no way of easily comparing the work quality from all the VA's at once, and had no way to effectively track and compare daily/weekly reports between them. If I had this framework I would have seen very early on who was good and who needed to be replaced. Instead I got sucked into the work and training of each VA seperately and trying to get them to work together as a team. It wasn't until I pulled back that I realised that no amount of training was going to produce the results I wanted with certain VA's, so I had to replace them and start from scratch, costing me time and money.


3. I started way to big

You may be thinking that starting with 4 VA's is an obvious recipe for disaster, but I was fairly seasoned at taking on several VA's all at once for multiple projects (well at least I thought I was). Even so, this was way to much to handle. 4x full time VA's at once?! Again, this goes back to my first point that there is a big difference between using VA's for projects and building an internal team. It was kind of like taking on 4 employees in-house all at once, all needing attention and demanding it. Unless you're a large company and you have the resources, you just don't do it.


Would I Build a VA team again?

Absolutely.

This post is by no means a crack at the whole VA concept, or even offshore VA's. Offshore VA's have their obvious faults, but so do onshore VA's. However there is a key difference between using VA's for one-off projects and building an integral virtual business unit. I'm going to have another go at building a VA team and it was the planning process that inspired meto write this post.

What I learnt was that success with virtual teams is all about YOU and the systems you create. You'be got to approach, plan, prepare and invest in them just as you would an in-house employee, if not more so because they're not in your immediate vicinity. It is possible to successfully build a team of virtual employees for your business (even if the team is based offshore) and tehre are many examples to prove it.

I cringe looking back on this failed project, but I learnt some valuable lessons. The mistakes seem obvious, and they are, but sometimes it's the things right in front of us we don't see.

I hope this is of help to anyone interested in or considering integrating VA's into their business.

All the best

Adrian

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Hi all,

I made the above post yesterday about my experience with VA's.

I'm still in planning phase of building a new virtual team and was wondering if there are any good UK based VA's on UKBF, or if you have anyone you would personally recommend? I'm especially interested in recommendations. I've got a few UK based VA's on file, but it helps to have a healthy selection.

The role will include general secretarial duties, admin etc. They must be available 9-5 and will be communicating with clients, so superb communication skills are essential.

Thanks in advance
 
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Have you put out a call on the "society of virtual assistants" website - all the VA's listed there have agreed to a set of standards before they are accepted as an approved VA.

I am glad you can still see the value of using a VA - but I suppose I am biased as I am one!

You are more than welcome to drop me a line to [email protected] with a brief outline of what you are looking.

Hope you find what support you need.
 
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I'd been outsourcing projects offshore to India and the Philippines for years.

Your a disgrace to the UK ... using them at peanuts whilst the UK has rising unemployment ...

How do you sleep at night ?
 
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Your a disgrace to the UK ... using them at peanuts whilst the UK has rising unemployment ...

How do you sleep at night ?



Really?

Employing people from developing (poor) countries who are hungry to improve their livelihoods and are willing to do robotic legwork online for a dollar an hour.

Brits have the benefits of a fantastic standard of education, English language mastery and a whole number of other advantages over 90% of the world's workforce. Travel the world and you will see.

It would be economically impractical and frankly impossible to employ Brits to do the lower level legwork that you can use a VA for.

Customer service and anything that requires skills upwards of that - go British, absolutely. Which it appears the OP does anyway so drop the nonesense!

Get with the times.
 
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Really?

Employing people from developing (poor) countries who are hungry to improve their livelihoods and are willing to do robotic legwork online for a dollar an hour.

Brits have the benefits of a fantastic standard of education, English language mastery and a whole number of other advantages over 90% of the world's workforce. Travel the world and you will see.

It would be economically impractical and frankly impossible to employ Brits to do the lower level legwork that you can use a VA for.

Customer service and anything that requires skills upwards of that - go British, absolutely. Which it appears the OP does anyway so drop the nonesense!

Get with the times.

Dress it how you like, its disgusting , kids working with there single bowl of rice a day , for pennies for the big fat cat who charges full whack and taking work from UK own people..

Its not clever , its a disgrace . and you wonder why the UK is seriously going down the pan ..
 
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I doubt its kids working and how is a developing country supposed to develop without any foreign business?
 
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Dress it how you like, its disgusting , kids working with there single bowl of rice a day , for pennies for the big fat cat who charges full whack and taking work from UK own people..

Its not clever , its a disgrace . and you wonder why the UK is seriously going down the pan ..


Wow, that is a ridiculous post.

I'm not going to waste my time on this.
 
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I doubt its kids working and how is a developing country supposed to develop without any foreign business?

Sell to its own and not steal British jobs . we don`t have many left as it is !! Grabbed the manufacturing ,now your swamping the internet with your web seo and £ 9 websites and 123,000 links from forums for 20p ..

The UK is NOT a charity , i know it seems like it the way our Government behave but its not , every job that is taken abroad from seo or links or logo designing for 50p is another job lost in the UK , and another nail in the coffin..
 
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Ah Pete, where to start, where to start...........

1) The OP gave us a synopsis of a problem he encountered, which he thought might be of interest to others considering something similar - well written, well explained, and useful in the main.
2) The reasons for why he decided to outsource outside the UK are not clear, but he obviously hads them, given that he seems well-capable of thinking for himself rationally.
3) 'Taking jobs from the UK'........wise up, the UK is practically giving them away. If the UK cannot compete, then it njeeds to look inwards at why, not blame the small company trying to get up in the world.
4) We now live in a multi-cultured, international stage.....so the old 'jobs for the locals' idea falls down in a lot of areas.
5) ahem, I thought you lived in Spain anyway ;)

etc
etc

...back to the OP.....visit the Society of Virtual Assistants, as suggested above, you'll find the cream of the UK ones ready and willing to adapt to your needs.
 
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After a string of problems working with UK people, I turned and outsourced to India. It was only for a matter of 3-4 weeks at a time, but their communication and attitude could not be faulted!

If I had had such good, honest service and commitment to deadlines in the UK, I would never have considered India.

I want to support the UK and to see the UK thrive, but artificially supporting bad service and practice is not the way to do it.
 
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Ah Pete, where to start, where to start...........

1) The OP gave us a synopsis of a problem he encountered, which he thought might be of interest to others considering something similar - well written, well explained, and useful in the main.
2) The reasons for why he decided to outsource outside the UK are not clear, but he obviously hads them, given that he seems well-capable of thinking for himself rationally.
3) 'Taking jobs from the UK'........wise up, the UK is practically giving them away. If the UK cannot compete, then it njeeds to look inwards at why, not blame the small company trying to get up in the world.
4) We now live in a multi-cultured, international stage.....so the old 'jobs for the locals' idea falls down in a lot of areas.
5) ahem, I thought you lived in Spain anyway ;)

etc
etc

...back to the OP.....visit the Society of Virtual Assistants, as suggested above, you'll find the cream of the UK ones ready and willing to adapt to your needs.


i am very British and have feet in both camps .. UK and Spain .. Indeed at the moment i have a new product being manufactured .now i could go the cheap route and get it made in China make a few more quid , am i going to ?? NO i have the foresight to realise that UK and Spain need jobs and NEED Manufacturing . if we do not start a back Britain or indeed Back Europe even there will be NO britain to speak of .. problem is people are so short sighted to grasp it..
So my manufacturing cost is higher ,but if the factories employ people the towns flourish and the benefits are enjoyed by me in a full circle return.. ok profits are less so what just sell more .. but at least i sleep well knowing i am doing my bit ..

It frustrates me every day that work that can be done in house gets shifted for short term profits and not a thought given to the mess the UK is in !!!!!

£ 5,000 a second drainning from the UK alone in increasing debt on unemployed social costs etc etc .. so hey lets put more jobs overseas and increase it shall we ?

Are the jobs given overseas as they are better ? and the skills do not exist in the UK ? NO just cheaper .. screw you Jack i am ok attitude .. like i say disgraceful .. If nothing changes then the OP will have no UK businesses to sell his slave laboured leads to , but guess figures by then he will be rich i guess .. And whilst he drives his Mercedes through the rioting streets of people demonstrating for jobs , he will probably shrug his shoulders and wonder what happened to the old Britain he knew as a kid ..
 
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There are a heck of a lot more problems which are affecting the UK than those you mention above - and a lot of them are contributing to the problem of us generally not being competitive in certain areas.

I always look local when I can, but I must admit....if I need something and can get it elsewhere, I'll go there. I owe nothing to a country that robs me blind at every opportunity, so it can use my money to wipe the backside of other countries.

The 'Great Britain' idea is gone, we're just old plain 'Britain' now, and until we begin to look out for ourselves from the top level, it is impossible to ask the SME to look out for the country, when he's already struggling to survive because of a problem our 'country' made and thrust upon us.
 
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There are a heck of a lot more problems which are affecting the UK than those you mention above - and a lot of them are contributing to the problem of us generally not being competitive in certain areas.

I always look local when I can, but I must admit....if I need something and can get it elsewhere, I'll go there. I owe nothing to a country that robs me blind at every opportunity, so it can use my money to wipe the backside of other countries.

The 'Great Britain' idea is gone, we're just old plain 'Britain' now, and until we begin to look out for ourselves from the top level, it is impossible to ask the SME to look out for the country, when he's already struggling to survive because of a problem our 'country' made and thrust upon us.


I agree to a degree, but we can`t just give up and say oh well we are finished , although we probably may be .. :(
 
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Web designing, hosting etc.. in UK is very expensive, If anyone can not afford to pay huge amount to local companies he should go for affordable services even in Philippines, Pakistan or china who cares. Time has changed now people will buy what they can afford easily.
 
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Sell to its own and not steal British jobs . we don`t have many left as it is !! Grabbed the manufacturing ,now your swamping the internet with your web seo and £ 9 websites and 123,000 links from forums for 20p ..

The UK is NOT a charity , i know it seems like it the way our Government behave but its not , every job that is taken abroad from seo or links or logo designing for 50p is another job lost in the UK , and another nail in the coffin..

How can a countries GDP grow and develop without foreign investment? There needs to be both a trade in goods and services to be able to develop, otherwise countries would only be left with goods or services that it is good a producing itself. Everything else would be crap.

If you bring back all manufacturing to Britain, China will not be able to succeed. But then you want to help out Spain too. But then when someone else takes manufacturing to another country, the same thing will happen. It is a cycle. China will not last forever.

Ah Pete, where to start, where to start...........

1) The OP gave us a synopsis of a problem he encountered, which he thought might be of interest to others considering something similar - well written, well explained, and useful in the main.
2) The reasons for why he decided to outsource outside the UK are not clear, but he obviously hads them, given that he seems well-capable of thinking for himself rationally.
3) 'Taking jobs from the UK'........wise up, the UK is practically giving them away. If the UK cannot compete, then it njeeds to look inwards at why, not blame the small company trying to get up in the world.
4) We now live in a multi-cultured, international stage.....so the old 'jobs for the locals' idea falls down in a lot of areas.
5) ahem, I thought you lived in Spain anyway ;)

etc
etc

...back to the OP.....visit the Society of Virtual Assistants, as suggested above, you'll find the cream of the UK ones ready and willing to adapt to your needs.

Agree totally.
 
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i am very British and have feet in both camps .. UK and Spain .. Indeed at the moment i have a new product being manufactured .now i could go the cheap route and get it made in China make a few more quid , am i going to ?? NO i have the foresight to realise that UK and Spain need jobs and NEED Manufacturing . if we do not start a back Britain or indeed Back Europe even there will be NO britain to speak of .. problem is people are so short sighted to grasp it..
So my manufacturing cost is higher ,but if the factories employ people the towns flourish and the benefits are enjoyed by me in a full circle return.. ok profits are less so what just sell more .. but at least i sleep well knowing i am doing my bit ..

It frustrates me every day that work that can be done in house gets shifted for short term profits and not a thought given to the mess the UK is in !!!!!

£ 5,000 a second drainning from the UK alone in increasing debt on unemployed social costs etc etc .. so hey lets put more jobs overseas and increase it shall we ?

Are the jobs given overseas as they are better ? and the skills do not exist in the UK ? NO just cheaper .. screw you Jack i am ok attitude .. like i say disgraceful .. If nothing changes then the OP will have no UK businesses to sell his slave laboured leads to , but guess figures by then he will be rich i guess .. And whilst he drives his Mercedes through the rioting streets of people demonstrating for jobs , he will probably shrug his shoulders and wonder what happened to the old Britain he knew as a kid ..

Here are some good economic links for you to read:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_labour
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage

We cannot make and do everything in the UK. To attempt to do so actually makes us poorer in the long run.
 
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Your a disgrace to the UK ... using them at peanuts whilst the UK has rising unemployment ...

How do you sleep at night ?

By all means Pete, show me the process you go through to pre-qualify every business that you purchase a service and/or product from to ensure they only employee British nationals.

This includes the suppliers for the upkeep of your house - gas, electric, water etc - and the suppliers for your business. I'm also assuming that you drive a 100% British made car, all your food is produced in the UK and only eat at restaurants where all the staff are British?

I'm genuinely curious of such a process.
 
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