I'd say the figure is much higher through the whole world.
Yes, there have been some nutcases that have been dealt with. Never seen or heard even a hint at my branch, and we have members from several races.
It's a very muddy situation (isn't it always with politicians) but the policies as they are aren't racist as such (although there are parallels), they're just incidental to our geo-political situation. Attempting to subvert the term to achieve their political goal is quite smart of UKIP.
This light dismissal by UKIP supporters is always mildly amusing. "Nutcases" really is the term for it, and the frequency and vehemence of their beliefs is quite staggering for our political landscape. Add in the fact that many of the 'nutcases' carry on, including that one guy...you know who I'm talking about...I don't have to say it, you know who I mean.
But you miss the key point which is to get out of the EU. Having done so, then our immigration (and all other) policies would be a matter for our elected govt.
That's not The Key Point, that's ukip's key point. The market uncertainty a monumental move like that would generate would cost the economy dearly - there simply isn't a clear answer as to whether being in or out is the best solution. The majority of people harping on about how it would be better are just parroting soundbites from a newspaper or politician and give no thought to the wider picture beyond a vague sense of discomfort that some foreigners are getting something perhaps they shouldn't, but aren't sure what.
A rise in employment is always a good thing but it's mostly caused by those that lost full-time work struggling along with part-time work. Much like George's current idea that another housing bubble somehow constitutes economic recovery, it's entirely dependent upon your understanding of the statistics.
Our government illegally sends our forces to wars, it wouldn't be much of a struggle to illegally keep them at home.
That's where we differ.
It's paraphrasing of philosophy, but also common sense; "He that speaks does not know, he that knows does not speak." - Lao TzuIf only that applied to parliament.
Would you like to provide a source or evidence for these pearls of wisdom.
It's paraphrasing of philosophy, but also common sense; "He that speaks does not know, he that knows does not speak." - Lao Tzu
Our opinions may differ, but the situation doesn't. Throwing around rhetoric about 'freedom and democracy' is unhelpful as that's really just a fallacy; we elect people that make decisions on our behalf, just because a particular decision is not to your liking doesn't mean you don't have freedom or democracy.
Yeah! Let's have proper democracy and sort our own treaties out, we'll show 'em!
How lucky we are to have Ubermensch such as yourself and those in Brussels to guide us and bathe us in empathy.
If you've got a problem, use your words, don't grump about throwing sarcasm everywhere. These little tangents get deleted by mods for a reason.
Correct Mike
To be perfectly honest I couldn't give two hoots... there's more things in my life to be worried or bothered about other than whether or not by Kebab suffered or not.
To be fair, I don't really think about it, I have no need nor want too... I work hard and I'm constantly working even at home, I don't get much time off to think about anything other than work and family.
People may think that I'm an inconsiderate git or a bit of a heathen, to be honest again I really don't give a monkeys... I say it as I see it and I hold no bars... if people think that's wrong of me then fine, that's their opinion, all I say to that is that people are far too quick to judge.
Realistically, when we think about it... are we all really being honest with each other when folk say that they do care, after a few pints down at the local and folk stop off at the curry house or kebab house and have no qualms about stuffing their faces with whatever they purchase then I honestly think that they're being two faced and hypocritical to the fact that I say as it is yet they do as they think what's best, until a beer is down their necks.
With regards to fishing, again I've been fishing before now got quite a fondness for it, but for me it was about spending time in silence, being able to reflect on life itself rather than ohh I've got a biggun! At the time, again I honestly couldn't care less whether I'd caught a fish or not... it was just something to kill some time.
Let's treat this as urban legend unless you have a source.
I'm really not sure where to start with this statement as it's nothing more than unfounded xenophobia (for want of a better term) from start to finish.
Okay cool, so you've done what you are accusing me of doing in this very post: mistaken inferences, deliberate misinterpretation, and a good deal of condescension. If you could hear it, I'd slow clap for you. See if you can spot the irony in your post, in this post, and why I said mods delete these spats for a reason. Just to be clear, pulling apart a poorly thought out opinion is not a personal attack.
It is reactionary because it's a popularity-driven topic pushed by a mostly under-informed voter-base who are metaphorically banging their fists because they believe David Cameron can just stand up in front of a bunch of people in Brussels, tear up a few bits of paper, and Britain is suddenly 'Great' again. It's way more complex than that and the trade deals alone would take years to renegotiate, but that voter-base don't really care as long as Those Immigrants Stop Coming, Right Now.
I don't know how different it would have been if we weren't in the EU. vOv
I don't think that's a product of your idiom; societies and governments are slow-moving behemoths, it's their nature and exactly why rapid change causes so much disruption; change has to be adopted and accepted, and social response to change is always painfully slow.
I didn't say suicidal, but you're right, I can't produce anything substantial, because there isn't anything. I can pull up (or could if I could be bothered) instances of other governments where sudden and severe changes in policy causes economic damage; of course how relevant textbook socioeconomic responses are in any instance is open to interpretation, so that wouldn't be a great help. I can also point out government claims that the economy is recovering (I'm a sceptic of this though) while we're still in the EU.
I reply and it just not what you want. You retreat into self justification and accusation without addressing the point I made about what was actually being discussed: democracy in the EU.Okay cool, so you've done what you are accusing me of doing in this very post: mistaken inferences, deliberate misinterpretation, and a good deal of condescension. If you could hear it, I'd slow clap for you. See if you can spot the irony in your post, in this post, and why I said mods delete these spats for a reason. Just to be clear, pulling apart a poorly thought out opinion is not a personal attack.
If you want to PM me to continue this without all the unnecessary machismo, you're quite welcome, but a long point-by-point rebuttal of the above is going to be boring for everyone, myself included.
