Greek Bailout

[Mike tells it like it is]

You miss my point slightly.

But in response to your point-we don't really live in a democracy.

The entire political system is a charade.

 

[captaincloser]

Lets look at your statement armchair expert...

90% of UK and European politicians have no experience of anything other than politics.

So in many cases the armchair experts may actually have more relevant experience than th so called experts.

It always amuses me the way the economics editor on the BBC

blah blah blah...always amuses you does it ? And referring to others on here as armchair experts?

Are you not the very same 'tellsitlikeitis'who told us (likeitis) last week that you lived in a posh part of Salford and NEVER voted as politicians are all the same...? Hopefully they are not all the same as the person sitting in your constituency..Hazel Blears who is as bent as nine bob note and sits in parliament in London precisely because of ,AND COURESY OF,people like you who never vote but are all too ready to castigate everyone else?

Be gone...leave debating on here to people who have an interest in their country and its politics.

 

[captaincloser]

You miss my point slightly.

But in response to your point-we don't really live in a democracy.

The entire political system is a charade.

So sayeth the soothsayer of Salford....

Be gone.

 

[Mike tells it like it is]

blah blah blah...always amuses you does it ? And referring to others on here as armchair experts?

Are you not the very same 'tellsitlikeitis'who told us (likeitis) last week that you lived in a posh part of Salford and NEVER voted as politicians are all the same...? Hopefully they are not all the same as the person sitting in your constituency..Hazel Blears who is as bent as nine bob note and sits in parliament in London precisely because of ,AND COURESY OF,people like you who never vote but are all too ready to castigate everyone else?

Be gone...leave debating on here to people who have an interest in their country and its politics.

all politicians are the same. why don't you quote all of my post instead of aprt of it. what is your point?I have never voted.


I castigated the politician bot teh so called armchair experts you clearly can not read.

 

[Mike tells it like it is]

Strange bed partners - but I agree.
We are no longer considered worthy a spent force, so enter centre stage the two pretenders to the throne........we will get shoved from pillow to post.

Pops ~xx~

we never were

 

[Mike tells it like it is]

Originally Posted by Parrot Hosting [/COLOR]
Oh great!!.... now the armchair 'experts' are classifying Greece as a Spoilt Brat...

can you actually read captain closer?

 

[captaincloser]

I castigated the politician bot teh so called armchair experts you clearly can not read.

Have you spilt something noxious on your keyboard ? As previous threads recently show..you are not quite, or even slightly credible old chap..

 

[captaincloser]

captaincloser is áll one word if you ''ACTUALLY'' read it.

But no, I can't read.

 

[Mike tells it like it is]

You realise you are just showing yourself up for what you are capatian clso

 

[captaincloser]

You realise you are just showing yourself up for what you are capatian clso

Yes, hopefully I am showing myself for what I am..it's what a good proportioon of UKB posters do you know..be themselves and limit themselves to things they vaguely know about...

Sorry, got to take the dog for a walk now so you are on your own with this ..

 

[directmarketingadvice]

Where did I put my popcorn?

 

[papverpoppies]

we never were

Once we were.
Pops ~xx~

 

[Mike tells it like it is]

Once we were.
Pops ~xx~

Yawn sorry but you are being extremely naive and believing the yarn youa re being spun

 

[papverpoppies]

Yawn sorry but you are being extremely naive and believing the yarn youa re being spun

So, what is your excuse:|

Pops ~xx~

 

[Mike tells it like it is]

So, what is your excuse:|

Pops ~xx~

lol - I have been called a lot of things over the years, often unjustly, but naive was never one of them.

 

[captaincloser]

Where did I put my popcorn?

Your popcorn, and you deserve it, is probably up there on the mantlepiece next to the picture from Holyrood of the popcorn king of Scotland. I wonder what he could do for Greece ?

 

[captaincloser]

lol - I have been called a lot of things over the years, often unjustly, but naive was never one of them.

You have been called quite a lot of things in your short time on here as well whilst mototoring along with your record breaking wholesale hijacking of threads.

No, I agee though naive is not something I would attach to you..that implies some form of innocence.

 

[Mike tells it like it is]

You have been called quite a lot of things in your short time on here as well whilst mototoring along with your record breaking wholesale hijacking of threads.

No, I agee though naive is not something I would attach to you..that implies some form of innocence.

shushy -dnot be silly youa re jsut showing yourslef up forw aht youa re

 

[captaincloser]

shushy -dnot be silly youa re jsut showing yourslef up forw aht youa re

Is there a translator on here at the moment...he's gone into 'tellsitlikeitis' mode..whats he saying ?

 

[MrCloser]

Sorry to butt in to this heavyweight debate...people who don't vote have no voice imo. Any muppet can list the problems, knowing the right solutions is the clever bit.

As was mentioned in an earlier thread, the Greeks and their banks were shafted by Germany during WW2, the Germans say they are sorry, maybe they should put their hands in their pockets now and show it. West Germany did quite well post WW2 thanks to massive industrial investment, this head start they got without the burden of defence spending or reparations gave them a big advantage which they have maintained to this day.

The referendum idea was weak leadership imo, rather akin to letting your kids work out the household budget.

Maybe the 2012 doomongers weren't all tin foil hat nutters.

 

[Christine Hough]

Sorry to butt in to this heavyweight debate...
.

Sorry you can only contribute if sitting in an armchair ... see post no 56 by parrot hosting!

 

[papverpoppies]

Sorry to butt in to this heavyweight debate...people who don't vote have no voice imo. Any muppet can list the problems, knowing the right solutions is the clever bit.

As was mentioned in an earlier thread, the Greeks and their banks were shafted by Germany during WW2, the Germans say they are sorry, maybe they should put their hands in their pockets now and show it. West Germany did quite well post WW2 thanks to massive industrial investment, this head start they got without the burden of defence spending or reparations gave them a big advantage which they have maintained to this day.

The referendum idea was weak leadership imo, rather akin to letting your kids work out the household budget.

Maybe the 2012 doomongers weren't all tin foil hat nutters.

But what voice does voting get us, other than to say months down the line 'I helped put these idiots into power'!

The Greeks wanted a referendum, and the 'big boys' have came along and stamped all over the people.

I do hear what you are saying, and yes, it should be that we can feel a part of our countries democracy, but in reality, all we are is a X on a form, that allows one party into power.

A referendum is not 'weak' in my eyes it is letting the people of that Country decide - which is what many want here, but are we listened to.
Well you now the answer to that.



Pops ~xx~

 

[papverpoppies]

Sorry to butt in to this heavyweight debate...people who don't vote have no voice imo. Any muppet can list the problems, knowing the right solutions is the clever bit.

As was mentioned in an earlier thread, the Greeks and their banks were shafted by Germany during WW2, the Germans say they are sorry, maybe they should put their hands in their pockets now and show it. West Germany did quite well post WW2 thanks to massive industrial investment, this head start they got without the burden of defence spending or reparations gave them a big advantage which they have maintained to this day.

The referendum idea was weak leadership imo, rather akin to letting your kids work out the household budget.

Maybe the 2012 doomongers weren't all tin foil hat nutters.

But what voice does voting get us, other than to say months down the line 'I helped put these idiots into power'!

The Greeks wanted a referendum, and the 'big boys' have came along and stamped all over the people.

I do hear what you are saying, and yes, it should be that we can feel a part of our countries democracy, but in reality, all we are is a X on a form, that allows one party into power.

A referendum is not 'weak' in my eyes it is letting the people of that Country decide - which is what many want here, but are we listened to.
Well you know the answer to that.



Pops ~xx~

 

[Parrot Hosting]

Sorry you can only contribute if sitting in an armchair ... see post no 56 by parrot hosting!

Ha Ha!!! and its not just me that thinks so...

"Newspapers and television channels across the continent are crammed with analysis of the Greek debt debacle, and in countries such as Spain, people from all walks of life have become experts on the crisis, which has contributed to the country's painful 21.5 percent jobless rate"

Full article here http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/11/50043

 

[Christine Hough]

Glad it made you laugh, but I think we had different understandings.
I was a bit miffed at being picked out as someone whose comments were not valid.
Its too easy to diss someone who thinks differently to yourself.

I have actually spent time and effort learning about financial issues and the forces behind them, going to conferences and learning from international bankers.

I just do think that the effect of Greece defaulting will have a larger impact for the system trying to keep others in line that it would be for Greece and in that sense they are in a position of a school child calling the teacher's bluff.

This is not in anyway calling them spoilt.

It is interesting than many breakthroughs have been made by amateurs or people thinking in non establishment ways. Even Einstein said he owed more to imagination than learning!

 

[captaincloser]

Hands up from me-Read it wrong.I was convinced Papendreou would go but he was saved by a few votes..but really how much does that change anything-he now has to form a coalition to try and meander out of this mess for the Greek people.

What he knows is that behind the fake smiles of Germany lies a distinct lack of a sense of humour where Europe is concerned.

 

[papverpoppies]

Glad it made you laugh, but I think we had different understandings.
I was a bit miffed at being picked out as someone whose comments were not valid.
Its too easy to diss someone who thinks differently to yourself.

I have actually spent time and effort learning about financial issues and the forces behind them, going to conferences and learning from international bankers.

I just do think that the effect of Greece defaulting will have a larger impact for the system trying to keep others in line that it would be for Greece and in that sense they are in a position of a school child calling the teacher's bluff.

This is not in anyway calling them spoilt.

It is interesting than many breakthroughs have been made by amateurs or people thinking in non establishment ways. Even Einstein said he owed more to imagination than learning!

Totally agree, I posted on this thread and my comments were treated as naive!

Well, maybe they are - but I put together what I thought was a constructive reply, not some strung together badly spelt silly retort.

I have NO problems with people disagreeing, but do it in an adult manner, or not at all.

Pops ~xx~

 

[dagr]

I dont really know much about this other than Greece seems to be up a creek without a paddle.

ITV news have been doing a big story on it.

So im just curious as to what happens if Greece refuses the bailout package and it defaults.

From what ITV were saying Greece gets kicked out of the EU and defaults on its debts?...then what happens?

Im not sure if there is a definitive answer or if this is down to opinion but without it getting into an argument im intrigued as to what COULD or WILL happen and (to be selfish) what it means for the average joe in the UK.

The direct impact on the UK will not be as bad as that on France & Germany, where a default will see a couple of banks in those countries go to the wall, with possibly a couple more being nationalised. I don't think an independent UK bank will go down the tubes.

Greece needs to leave the Euro (it should never have joined, or rather, been allowed to join) and hence it will default at some point. The current government has not understood what it needs to do, and in fact has been doing the wrong thing so far. The only reason it hasn't been kicked out of the EuroZone already is so that EU banks can steady themselves for when it does.

For Sun readers:
Greece is the kid that got hold of Daddy's (=Northern EuroZone countries) credit card and went mental for about 8 years. The kid, the Dad and the storekeepers that fuelled the spending spree (i.e. Greece, EU - specially Germany & France, and the banks) are all to blame.

 

[Nuno]

For Sun readers:
Greece is the kid that got hold of Daddy's (=Northern EuroZone countries) credit card and went mental for about 8 years. The kid, the Dad and the storekeepers that fuelled the spending spree (i.e. Greece, EU - specially Germany & France, and the banks) are all to blame.

Having a pop at The Sun eh?

Come on, ease up. "Up Yours Delors" was one of the best headlines of the last century.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/sunov.jpg/


​

Pithy, accurate, correct and amusing for The Sun's (large) readership.

Heh heh.

 

[Parrot Hosting]

For those wanting to seriously look at the possibilities you might well want to read this article for starters. Much of it I agree with, especially the problems of getting the government to reform itself as part and parcel of the default. In so doing they might just turn the sows ear into a silk purse.

http://greekeconomistsforreform.com/general/to-euro-or-not-to-euro/

 

[captaincloser]

He won't be around on Monday.Thats his autograph book in his hand...he is history

Depite winning the no confidence vote it's Monday and he is gone, history. .Surprising he couldn't see that coming as the main oppostion were never going to live with him after the most recent embarrassments.

 

[firstmarket]

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/go-greek-for-a-week

Might make interesting viewing this evening

 

[thebigIAM]

What will it mean for the ordinary Jo(e) in the UK if Greece defaults?

A big contribution from our government into the International Monetary Fund, I suspect. More of our government pleading poverty to its electorate and more cuts.

Oh, and more screenings of George Osborne on your telly.

 

[Christine Hough]

and
What will it mean to the Greeks?
What will it mean to the EU countries with or without euro currency?
What will it mean to the rest of Europe?
What will it mean to the global economy?

For despite their islands, no country is an island - not even Greece.

 

[captaincloser]

What will it mean for the ordinary Jo(e) in the UK if Greece defaults?

Not much,but when Italy's S**** hits the fan run for cover.

The problem in the UK is that we are hitting the buffers anyway-that's what is going to affect 'Joe' in the UK.

Repatriating powers and contributions from Europe is an organised side-show...as if it is anyone else's fault that we have no oars left to paddle with.

 

[Mike tells it like it is]

What will it mean for the ordinary Jo(e) in the UK if Greece defaults?

A big contribution from our government into the International Monetary Fund, I suspect. More of our government pleading poverty to its electorate and more cuts.

Oh, and more screenings of George Osborne on your telly.

Yes indeed even though we are in debt I think the figure being talked about for giving to the International Monetary Fund is £10 billion.(US billion I assume)

 

[Parrot Hosting]

Everyone seems to think the cost of Greece defaulting is the issue when in fact the Greece problem (and ours, collectively) is the Euro itself. Treating the symptoms of the illness gives the impression of healing the patient. However, the problem is the financial structure of the Euro itself and until that is addressed (and it won't be) there will be fallout everywhere.

While the EU ensure the attention is on Greece they are keeping themselves out of the firing line of the press and the people (largely but, not completely)

The next batch of symptoms are about to manifest themselves... stage 2 of the terminal disease that is the Euro and if you think Greece is a problem just keep watching. (just my opinion)

 

[Mike tells it like it is]

Everyone seems to think the cost of Greece defaulting is the issue when in fact the Greece problem (and ours, collectively) is the Euro itself. Treating the symptoms of the illness gives the impression of healing the patient. However, the problem is the financial structure of the Euro itself and until that is addressed (and it won't be) there will be fallout everywhere.

While the EU ensure the attention is on Greece they are keeping themselves out of the firing line of the press and the people (largely but, not completely)

The next batch of symptoms are about to manifest themselves... stage 2 of the terminal disease that is the Euro and if you think Greece is a problem just keep watching. (just my opinion)

The issue is that the Euro is part of Germany's cynical attempt to build an empire.

The comment about peace form murkel was extremely sinister.

 

[Davek0974]

The comment about peace form murkel was extremely sinister.

That is what i thought, something that needs watching closely i think.

 

[Mike tells it like it is]

The invasion of europe by germany by peaceful means was always the hidden agenda of the euro and probably the EU.

The proposed tax on London banking transactions is just portectionism and bully tactics.

Perhaps Cameron will surprise me and have the wotsits to back up his comment about a cheese tax.

What I find strange is why we have not thought ok lets do something with the countries who are not in the Eurozone as well as concentrating on the commonwealth.