Google - Privacy and other issues

This one won't go away.

A UK inquiry should be held to determine whether Google knew that its Street View cars were collecting personal data over unsecure Wi-Fi networks for use in other projects, a politician has said.
Claude Moraes, an MEP who represents London, said that allegations contained in a recent US regulator's report into the matter should be followed up in the UK.

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"These allegations are extremely worrying and could point to a trend where private companies are purposefully intending to harvest private data without citizens' authorisation," Moraes said in a report. "Allegations that Google may have had knowledge of their actions are extremely serious. "Given the extent of the data that was taken, I am calling for an inquiry in the UK so that lessons can be learned. At the very least, this case indicates that private companies are taking a cavalier approach towards privacy policy and data protection rules in Europe," he said.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/08/mep_wants_uk_to_launch_a_streetview_probe/

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Graham, as I have said previously, Google are refusing to honour Subject Access Requests as they claim they are covered by intellectual property rights law which means they can withold information if it is likely to undermine their 'secret sauce'.

Google are getting away with murder here.

James

Interested in what they say. Can you post or send me their reply. Thanks
 
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Under the Data Protection Act there is a right to claim compensation for any loss resulting from a privacy breach and also for anxiety suffered as a result of who may see/use it.

What amounts to recoverable is not restricted so long as it is clearly caused by the breach and/or a reasonable action to take. I would like to hear from UKBF members as to what they think they might do if they had good cause to fear their privacy has been breached by Google or otherwise what losses they might incur/have incurred (writing to Google is one loss , time taken etc) . I can see that Google might argue contributory negligence in not making the router secure . But I think that if a broad range of loss types can be identified and a group of claimants present themselves as a group to Google that may help negotiate some more adequate response than currently being negotiated on our behalf by the ICO. Maybe this should commence as a new thread if enough people are interested. Parliament democratised the enforcement of the DPA ie by giving the public a right to claim, so lets not leave everything up to an understaffed ICO.
 
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And that is the Safari case, they did the same with other browsers. it is now looking more and more like Google are a company that we can't trusty. They are a company who far from 'don't be evil' have become as evil as any corporate body around, continually breaching the most basic of human rights, in order to make personal gain for their company.

In the google street view fiasco, the UK has re-opened their closed enquiry saying that they believed the comapny 'mislead' the enquiry afte a google employee stated under oath that they HAD been aware of what was collected aas it had been a DELIBERATE ACT, to gather the information for 'use in other areas of the business' . Google are said to be mystified at the turn around by the UK privacy guys, meanwhile the chap who headed up the enquiry has left his safe government job,


He is now employed by



yep you guessed it GOOGLE.


Am I suggesting anything? of course not I am just stating some facts
 
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From the NY Times ...

"BRUSSELS — The European antitrust chief said Wednesday that any changes Google offered to settle concerns that it might be tilting Internet search results in its favor should be applied worldwide.

Joaquín Almunia, the European Union competition commissioner, made the remark as he was confirming that his case against Google for allegedly abusing its dominance in search and advertising was moving toward a settlement. Mr. Almunia also said that a settlement in the case did not mean he would not undertake inquiries in other areas that raised competition concerns."


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/26/t...-remedy-in-complaint-against-google.html?_r=1

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Google apologised for gathering the data and said it was a "mistake". The blunder led to legal action, fines and investigations around the world.
In the UK, Google gave an undertaking to destroy the data it was holding and issued a statement saying it had done so in December 2010.
The ICO's probe into the collection of wi-fi data was re-opened earlier in July when the privacy watchdog became aware of reports that a Google engineer had deliberately written software to obtain a wide range of material.
Google has admitted that it had not deleted users' personal data gathered during surveys for its Street View service.
The data should have been wiped almost 18 months ago as part of a deal signed by the firm in November 2010.
I am sorry but this is no different to the phone hacking scandal, someone needs to go to jail for this, this is deliberate hacking in the first instance, pregery in the second instance, and now breach of a signed legal undertaking.

Someones head should roll for this. they have the ability in europe ot fine a company up to 10% of its global turnover. I think we should see sucvh a hefty fine imposed here, PLUS criminal investigations for the illegal hacking.
 
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It is becoming even more clear now that Google thinks it is above the law.

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Every time I visit France I read in the French press about a mega big USA internet company being taken to court for breaking French law. I never read about the UK courts charging these companies for the same practices.

If Google, Tripadvisor etc are committing fraud in France why is doing the same thing legal in the UK?
 
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I am sorry but this is no different to the phone hacking scandal, someone needs to go to jail for this, this is deliberate hacking in the first instance, pregery in the second instance, and now breach of a signed legal undertaking.

Someones head should roll for this. they have the ability in europe ot fine a company up to 10% of its global turnover. I think we should see sucvh a hefty fine imposed here, PLUS criminal investigations for the illegal hacking.
I couldnt agree more. The problem however with the likes of Google and Apple etc. is they use EBB (early bird bribes) that is they give away their products to these regulators...

So why would you want to fine Google or Apple when you get given an Android smartphone and a ipad each year?

I think any Google cookie concerns are rather minor... this is my understanding of this saga:
* Google wanted to map the streets of the UK
* Google thought this would be a brilliant chance to undertake drive-by hacking - so someone was tasked to code software to do this (there wasn't a sole google streetview car so its unlikely a rogue employee could have such an impact, and not just in the UK)
* I assume Google was stealing this data for "market research" - I am not sure what the data contains but I suspect they wanted to create a map for commercial exploitation such as details of type of routers, IPs, ISPs, and nature of devices. Not to mention harvest this data for use in its local service.
* Google was caught and said it didn't have the data - made an apology
* Google was found out that it was deliberate (cmon even the guy in the car must be aware of the antenna and device not part of the recording equipment - to get such data at even the slowish speeds the car travels at - no covert style device with a small or internal antenna is going to be able to manage this... scanning for wifi signals can take a while also)
* Google was found out that despite making assurances the data is gone, it still has it.
* Google has implemented the raw data in the core of its global internet technology - even if the raw obtained data is analysed and then destroyed... its been illegally used for services on the web

The main problem is its merely seen as "privacy" concern.

It was actually an illegal activity (aka crime) that took place on a widespread scale on every road in the country - so say about 98%) - it is espionage.
I remember someone getting jailed (several months I think, maybe reduced by half on appeal) for wifi-surfing outside someones house in his car (on public highway not the persons property) - although the wifi signal was not protected (open network). I think this comes under the same EU law also.

And its anti-competitive... EU should close Google for this (i.e. ban them operating in the EU). Take Microsoft (Bing)... they didn't undertake such widespread crime for commercial sensitive research to help their service... so Google has not only committed a crime but has gained an unfair advantage by doing so - furthermore, Google is the market leader with a massive market share so are abusing their position over the competition. We are not only talking about Search or their mapping/streetview service either... but for handheld devices etc also.

And the service you use today is influenced by such data...


Of course, Google will say sorry, delete the data stolen (but not reverse the changes in its web technology using that data in non-raw form) and pay a fine of 1/20th of last years profit... bargain... to get such data from traditional means even if solely for the UK would cost them double their profit they have made undertaking this.
 
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The Australian Privacy Commission has followed the lead of its global counterparts demanding that Google Australia immediately destroys payload data which was siphoned by the SteetView wi-fi data sucking car squads.
In a letter sent to Google’s Head of Public Policy and Government Affairs Iarla Flynn, Privacy Commissioner Timothy Pilgrim sent a strict edict that Google should immediately destroy the data additionally demanding that an independent third party confirm that the data has been destroyed.
Pilgram has also requested that Google commits to an audit to ensure “that no other disks containing this data exist, and to advise me once this audit is completed.”
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/08/google_must_destroy_data/
 
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Google has now virtually admitted that it paid "commentors" to write articles in an attempt to alter opinion on the lawsuit they were defending against Oracle. :eek:

Google ordered to disclose all paid "commenters"
Oracle case judge objects to Google's narrow response to earlier order.
The judge who oversaw Oracle's lawsuit against Google said Monday that the search giant "has failed to comply" with a 7 August order to provide the names of parties whose commentary on the suit may have been influenced by money.

Last week, Google said it had not directly paid anyone to comment on the case, which centred on alleged Java patent and copyright violations in the Android mobile OS.

However, given factors such as the prevalence of online publishing tools, "any number" of individuals or institutions with "indirect or attenuated" financial ties to Google may have written about the case, according to the company.
http://news.techworld.com/applicati...se-all-paid-commenters-by-oracle-case-judge/?


Summary: "Google suggests that it has paid so many commenters that it will be impossible to list them all. Please simply do your best but the impossible is not required," says Judge William Alsup.
http://www.zdnet.com/judge-google-d...-disclosure-order-in-oracle-trial-7000002885/
 
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