Glasgow Rangers

You had better hope I don't don my Grammar Monitor badge for your future posts!
So maybe we can't spell it occasionally- but we CAN play it
remind us how many worlds cups Scotland has won....that would be exactly - zero

Interesting I can't remember the last time I saw an English premier football team?

Earl

 

[aidan1980]

I always find it such a shame when a company goes bust, especially a football club with a big fanbase like Rangers.

Such a shame. But it makes you wonder, what the hell do they do with their money? Fair enough they have wages to pay (mostly over inflated, but that's another discussion!) and a ground to run. But surely the money they make from television rights, merchandise and ticket sales must bring in plenty?

Im affraid the TV money and stuff is not comparable to the massive wage splurge Rangers had in the early 2000's. They brought a lot of players back then from across Europe on massive wages

 

[aidan1980]

What's the rule if you don't mind me asking?

basically they have to live within their means

 

[Digger]

Interesting I can't remember the last time I saw an English premier football team?

Earl

Me too - daft isn't it. Though I do recall that Harry Del Boy did try to recruit an all England side for Pompey. Ultimately failed , not enough suitable GRannies on the Republic of Portsea Island for Rooney apparently.

 

[leemason]

basically they have to live within their means

I doubt there is a single club in the Football League who "live within their means".

 

[Super Simon]

I doubt there is a single club in the Football League who "live within their means".

Come to mention it, I think S****horpe are technically the richest club in the Football League! I have a mate who is a keen supporter and is rather proud of the fact.

 

[Super Simon]

S****horpe

Haha! A rather keen profanity filter!

Incase you can't work it out, I meant S c u n t h o r p e!

 

[captaincloser]

Whoa, not many biting on this alternate Scotts thread.

Lift going down..

 

[bdw]

Here's the way forward.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotti...let_one_man_run_club_again_say_fans_1_2128382

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[bdw]

Things seem to be getting worse all the time at Ibrox.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotti...nistration_directors_shown_the_door_1_2135551

Peter Lawell, the mischief making chariman of Celtic FC has stated that Celtic don't need Rangers and that they have a plan to progress without them. That plan can surely only be a move to England?

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[directmarketingadvice]

That plan can surely only be a move to England?

There's no chance of Celtic being allowed to move to England. The English simply don't want them.

 

[bdw]

They may be a more attractive proposition without Rangers. I think what puts a lot of them off down there is the baggage that the old firm carry.

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[directmarketingadvice]

They may be a more attractive proposition without Rangers.

I can't see who in English football would want them.

Unless they were in the Premiership, they'd be more trouble than they'd be worth.

If they were in the Premiership, they'd be pushing out an English team. Half the current teams in the Permiership could be relegated at some point in the next 5 years. Why would they want to introduce another team that would push them one place closer to the drop? (Or over the edge.)

So, if it's one team, one vote, then that's half the votes against Celtic.

Then there are the teams fighting for European places (and the money that goes along with that) - why would most of them vote to include Celtic? It would be turkeys voting for Christmas.

And, even if clubs had nothing to lose, what would they gain? They're already playing in front of full stadia, they've already got a huge TV deal. What would Celtic bring to the table other than just another nose at the trough.

So, IMO, there's no way Celtic could win a vote.

 

[bdw]

What would Celtic bring to the table other than just another nose at the trough.

For one thing a larger support than the vast majority of the Premier League. Celtic's average home crowd this year is around 46K. That is it on the way down and there are only four teams in the UK (Man U, Arsenal, Newcastle and Man C) drawing larger crowds this season.

If they were in the Premier League they would be playing to capacity crowds of 60K plus every week. Only Arsenal and Man U would beat that. Celtic with their worldwide support are potentially a massive club (in the right league).


(Added: and I am a bluenose BTW)

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[directmarketingadvice]

For one thing a larger support than the vast majority of the Premier League.

How does that help clubs that are already playing in front of full stadia?

How does it put more money into their pockets?

Maybe they could charge an extra few quid per ticket for the away end during one game a season. What's that £20,000 extra per year?

How many teams would increase their chances of lower division football for £20k?

Looking at this year's teams, here are the ones that would have gone into this season knowing there was the risk of relegation:

Sunderland
Stoke City
Norwich City
Wolverhampton Wanderers
Fulham
West Bromwich Albion
Bolton Wanderers
Blackburn Rovers
Swansea City
Wigan Athletic
Queens Park Rangers

That's 11/20. 11 out of 20 votes against adding another big team from another country.

And that's not even looking at those who might regard Celtic as a threat to qualifying for Europe.

As I said, I don't see it.

Rangers and Celtic have long wanted to get into English football because that's where the money lies. English football has shown a complete lack of interest in these clubs because they have almost nothing to contribute... so would just be there to take from existing clubs.

Steve

 

[bdw]

You from Edinburgh?

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[Jeff FV]

As a fan of a Championship club (Bristol City) the last thing we need is another club to compete with to get into the Premiership, so I can't see to many of the Championship club chairmen offering Celtic a place in English football with open arms.

Jeff

 

[directmarketingadvice]

As a fan of a Championship club (Bristol City) the last thing we need is another club to compete with to get into the Premiership, so I can't see to many of the Championship club chairmen offering Celtic a place in English football with open arms.

Exactly. And the D1 clubs that want to be Championship clubs. And the 11 Premiership clubs I mentioned. And the ones fighting for European places.

The upside is basically zero. The downside is potentially huge. The reasons to say no are perfectly justified. The English FA and UEFA will be dead set against it. And the English police.

So why would it ever happen?

It's something the Old Firm would love to have happen. And the Glasgow football media goes along with it.

But, IMO, the moment you ask how English clubs are going to benefit, the whole thing makes no sense at all.

 

[directmarketingadvice]

You from Edinburgh?

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Yes, but that doesn't change the argument.

Self-interest and the staus quo far outweigh any increase in gate receipts from a single home match or any increase in TV money.

Steve

 

[captaincloser]

I wonder what Alex Salmond and the SNP think of these clubs moving into the Premiership ? I think the very mention of it would make them choke.

 

[bdw]

Self-interest and the staus quo far outweigh any increase in gate receipts from a single home match or any increase in TV money.

So that will be why they sold out to TV then? It was in their best interests to play matches when they were told to by Sky- like playing at dinner time on a Sunday evening, for example?


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[directmarketingadvice]

So that will be why they sold out to TV then? It was in their best interests to play matches when they were told to by Sky- like playing at dinner time on a Sunday evening, for example?

Yes.

Steve