Everything looks different!

Discussion in 'Feedback & Help' started by Kat Haylock, May 2, 2018.

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  1. Kat Haylock

    Kat Haylock Community Editor Administrator

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    As much as we loved our old, colourful site (special mention to the user who told me our registration page made them feel drunk), it’s long been time for a refresh.

    For the last few months, we’ve been working to create a site with a bit less fuss. We wanted something that was clear, bold and straight to the point - much like the UKBF audience.

    I don’t like it.

    Making changes to a site that’s so familiar isn’t an easy task, especially when several members have been coming here for 10+ years. But if we want the site to last another 10 years, these updates are important every now and then.

    Why mess around with the site colours when XYZ needs fixing?

    There’s a mammoth list of changes and fixes we want to make on the site, but these things take time and, obviously, money. The publishing industry hasn’t been easy for a while, and in our market there isn’t much room for sites that don’t grab people (whether that’s users or clients) from the get-go. This is the first step to getting UKBF where we want it to be.

    Is XXXX still meant to be blue/green/yellow/rainbow?

    Nope. There were a few things that could only be updated when the site was live, so I’m doing my best to get around to everything now. Please tell me if you come across something that’s part of our old branding and I’ll make sure it’s on my list.

    I can’t access XXXX on the site

    None of the functionality should’ve changed with our recent work, but if you suddenly can’t access something that you used to be able to, please let me know.

    Where can I give my feedback?

    Shatter my hopes and dreams in the comments below.

    But seriously, this site is here for the community - you lot. Take a few days to familiarise yourself with the new look, and let me know if there’s anything that’s really problematic for you.
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Kat Haylock Member since: Jul 11, 2016
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  2. Noah

    Noah UKBF Ace Free Member

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    Aversion to change is natural - we're conservative creatures by habit. Having said that, I quite like the new version, but like you I am unconvinced about the serif fonts; will see if they settle in...
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Noah Member since: Sep 1, 2009
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  3. Kat Haylock

    Kat Haylock Community Editor Administrator

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    My view is that once the initial "newness" passes (give it a week?) we can make edits to things that people still have problems with. Like the font.
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Kat Haylock Member since: Jul 11, 2016
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  4. Mike Hayes

    Mike Hayes UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    In addition to my comments in this topic (short version: I like the new design), I would like to say that I personally do like the font so please take this as a vote to retain the current font ✅I still wish the border-bottom on links would be removed though... text-decoration: underline would be more appropriate!
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Mike Hayes Member since: Jan 7, 2016
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  5. Ian J

    Ian J Factoring Specialist Full Member - Verified Business

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    You know who will complain as he always does :D
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Ian J Member since: Nov 6, 2004
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  6. Ashley_Price

    Ashley_Price UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    Love the new design!

    I guess there will be people complaining. I think lots of people complained when the site was last refreshed some years ago... but I think "most" of them are still here. :)

    If I had ONE comment to make, however, with the new font, letters in bold can look a little indistinct. Maybe harder for those with vision problems to be able to see clearly?
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Ashley_Price Member since: Feb 9, 2008
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  7. Newchodge

    Newchodge UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    My eyesight is not brilliant. I cannot see notifications and when I open them they are all one continuous spiece of prose so I cnanot differentiate between the person and the thread. No problem with the colour change, but really not sure about the fonts.
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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  8. Kat Haylock

    Kat Haylock Community Editor Administrator

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    Thanks for the feedback! We can change this no problem.
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Kat Haylock Member since: Jul 11, 2016
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  9. dave archer

    dave archer UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Everything looks different...
    Yes..... it's crap.

    Who chose that God-awful .... nerve-jangling ... eye watering ... Dentist drill .... orange colour ?
    ANY colour but that.
    Hows about a nice relaxing pastel light green, or a serene sea blue ?

    And why have we gone default to this prehistoric Times Roman font ?
    Let's have our nice Arial back.

    It wasn't broke......Don't fix it.

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    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: dave archer Member since: Mar 8, 2014
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  10. Gecko001

    Gecko001 UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Gecko001 Member since: Apr 21, 2011
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  11. KM-Tiger

    KM-Tiger UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    It's the fonts that are the problem, the rest is neither here nor there.

    As one of the older ones here, who also suffers from glaucoma, I really am struggling to read, where I had no problem before this change.
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: KM-Tiger Member since: Aug 10, 2003
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  12. Gordon - Commercial Finance

    Gordon - Commercial Finance UKBF Ace Free Member

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    New look is amazing, but I would agree with the comments above about fonts. The text in bold looks fuzzy, and I have very good eyesight...
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Gordon - Commercial Finance Member since: Jun 26, 2017
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  13. Kat Haylock

    Kat Haylock Community Editor Administrator

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    I know there's a particular problem with New Posts at the moment, in terms of indistinct fonts - it was one of the things that I could only change when the site was live, so I'm working on it!
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Kat Haylock Member since: Jul 11, 2016
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  14. BusterBloodvessel

    BusterBloodvessel UKBF Regular Free Member

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    I actually like it. Clean and clear. The orange isn't exactly easyJet orange and splashed everywhere, in fact once you're scrolling down a thread and lose the top banner there is no orange even on screen?

    Agree about the fonts, fine for me as standard but when in bold they do appear to be blurry..
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: BusterBloodvessel Member since: Jan 22, 2018
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  15. Scott-Copywriter

    Scott-Copywriter UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    I don't mind the new design. I'll adjust to it.

    More work is definitely needed on text formatting, however. The readability is poor in a number of ways:

    1). What really doesn't work, bordering on a cardinal sin of typography, is small, bold text with a serif font. The article titles in the "UKBF Stories" section is a good example. Many of the letters end up touching and blurring together to make the text difficult to read.

    2). The text seems unusually small being 17px. Perhaps it's the font. But serif fonts tend to need a larger font size, particularly on computer screens, as that font style doesn't work as well compared to when it's used on printed media. It's never as smooth and just isn't that good at being represented by pixels in a lower resolution.

    3). I would consider removing the serif font entirely. There's a lot of theory about why serif fonts are better for readability, but the problem is that behaviours have changed in the modern age. The vast majority of people have far more exposure to sans-serif fonts and have adjusted to those, so it can be a jarring experience to read serif-heavy typefaces.
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Scott-Copywriter Member since: May 10, 2006
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  16. tony84

    tony84 UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    I like it but I have to zoom out on some of the pages (the pages with the posts on) and then in on the category pages...although I seemed to have settled on 85% of the normal page size.
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: tony84 Member since: Apr 14, 2008
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  17. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    Font sizes should never ever ever be in pixels.

    Set a base font size in % or em and make everything else relative.
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  18. Kat Haylock

    Kat Haylock Community Editor Administrator

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    Thanks for your feedback everyone, it's been really useful. I've switched out the serif in favour of something a bit more readable, given the volume of people who were having problems.
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Kat Haylock Member since: Jul 11, 2016
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  19. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    That transforms the site - looks a zillion times better. Just need to fix the inconsistent font sizes. They are all over the place.
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  20. Gordon - Commercial Finance

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    Looks a lot better in the New Posts section etc, but still the notifications area isn't great. Number is too small, and everything bold within the notification means poster and thread run in to one.
     
    Posted: May 2, 2018 By: Gordon - Commercial Finance Member since: Jun 26, 2017
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