Employing in Philippines - I'll never hire in UK again.

[adventurelife]

I was born in Scotland, grew up there and lived there for 20 years.

The business itself was going fine, but the quality of life in scotland is relatively poor in comparison to hundreds of alternatives... the business was web based so there was n real reason to stay.

Bad weather, poor lifestyle quality, high tax, constant red tape in business, and a work shy population. Combine all of those and I'll go elsewhere, thanks.

Sorry but that sound like BS what was the business called? I strongly suspect I have traveled to more countries and lived in more than most people .

I do agree it is not easy due UK business red tape but to suggest the quality of life is poor is just daft. Where are you living now? Work shy population? Yes some but far from all.

You seem to have an attitude of take take take. No feelings of give , contribute , help?

I am in business and I will make money but I also understand that it is not all about me do you?

 

[JohnnyCash]

Sorry but that sound like BS what was the business called?

Completely irrelevant.

I strongly suspect I have traveled to more countries and lived in more than most people .

See above. Does that fact you've maybe lived in more countries than me make my opinion of scotland (or anywhere else) less valid?

I do agree it is not easy due UK business red tape but to suggest the quality of life is poor is just daft. Where are you living now? Work shy population? Yes some but far from all.

Right now I live in Czech Rep, I'm moving to Trieste, Italy later in the year. Its all down to personal opinion of course but for me, both are significantly better places to live than UK.

You seem to have an attitude of take take take. No feelings of give , contribute , help?

As long as the people directly working for me, my friends and my family have whatever they need - I couldn't care less about anyone else.

 

[adventurelife]

As long as the people directly working for me, my friends and my family have whatever they need - I couldn't care less about anyone else.

Great attitude that You should learn to spend some time helping those much less able than you. You will find that it is very rewarding.

 

As long as the people directly working for me, my friends and my family have whatever they need - I couldn't care less about anyone else.

I take it you do not intend to be part of the big society.?

"As you sow so shall you reap"

Earl

 

[MASSEY]

"As you sow so shall you reap"

I think Johnny's attitude is a bit extreme towards this topic. But i do feel for those that get taxed to the hilt. Yes they can afford it but it's still unfair. I have spoken to quite a few who are well off and feel they owe the state nothing. They literally say to me "give them **** all". And i can see their point.

The Uk has always been expensive in comparison to others as far as taxation is concerned. And the government freely piss state money away on wars and waste.

It's a case of like it or lump it really. You dont like it your free to leave the country. But as johnny pointed out most small medium businesses won't leave so the government have everyone by the balls.

 

[bdw]

Sorry BDW but i recall you had quite a few websites hosted with a "GERMAN" company.

Yes I did, is that you giving it your best shot?

When I started out in self employment ten years ago I did not know s**t from shinola about business and I had to learn quickly as I had no income. I was misled into thinking that 1and1 was a British company because they billed themselves as the "UK's number one" and their advertising was designed to suggest that they were UK based. Perhaps it was negligent of me but I did not run company house checks on all services I bought. I assumed that they were a UK company and I would not have used them had I known.

Is that OK for you?

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[bdw]

Scotland has zero to offer potential employers working on a global scale. Its a toilet of a country.

I am actually surprised that this comment was permitted because "racial or ethnically offensive" material is not allowed but there you go.

Actually I am glad that it was allowed because it lets everyone see how unsavoury a person "JohnnyCash" really is. Well perhaps not quite - like many people who are fond of shouting forum abuse he or she prefers to remain anonymous.

He or she is not missed.


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[OldWelshGuy]

I am actually surprised that this comment was permitted because "racial or ethnically offensive" material is not allowed but there you go.

Actually I am glad that it was allowed because it lets everyone see how unsavoury a person "JohnnyCash" really is. Well perhaps not quite - like many people who are fond of shouting forum abuse he or she prefers to remain anonymous.

He or she is not missed.


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The comment is an indication of the way he feels about the country he was born in, lived in and left. In fairness, I don't think it is possible to be racist to a country, or even a race, if you are part of that race

 

[bdw]

I think you will find that are very wrong and you need to check your definitions.

A coloured person who refuses to employ blacks is no less racist than a white person.

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[Podge]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/30/apple-chinese-workers-treated-inhumanely

And this is globalisation eh, where suicide nets are needed beneath the windows of the workers dormitories.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/30/apple-chinese-workers-treated-inhumanely

And this is globalisation eh, where suicide nets are needed beneath the windows of the workers dormitories.

See thats the problem with capitalism,someone always pays for those that make it.

Earl

 

[adventurelife]

Agree but they are going through what we did over a period of a hundred years except they and other countries like them are moving at a much faster pace and having to learn much faster than we did when we went through our industrial development period.

They will learn as we did, I suspect they will learn much faster. A huge booming middle class in being created and there is nothing we can do about it. I depart for China in 2 weeks time, agree with globalization or disagree with it change is coming and coming fast. Only way I know how to deal with it is first to understand it and then get involved in it.

See thats the problem with capitalism,someone always pays for those that make it.

Earl

 

[bdw]

And this is globalisation eh, where suicide nets are needed beneath the windows of the workers dormitories.

Precisely and that is only about those that are depressed with their working conditions and long hours. We also have situations like what happened in the Union Carbide plant in India (more than 10,000 people dead) and many other instances that suggest that those who are doing the outsourcing really "care" for their employees.

They will learn as we did, I suspect they will learn much faster.

Much faster? The Union Carbide disaster happened more than 25 years ago. Do you think there is any evidence to suggest that employers are any more caring nowadays?

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[MASSEY]

The comment is an indication of the way he feels about the country he was born in, lived in and left. In fairness, I don't think it is possible to be racist to a country, or even a race, if you are part of that race

It still inspires racial tension though...

 

Much faster? The Union Carbide disaster happened more than 25 years ago. Do you think there is any evidence to suggest that employers are any more caring nowadays?

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Yep you gotta give it to corporate human nature left to its own devices.

"Union Carbide has, on its own admission, spent well over $50 million on legal fees so far, a sum that is larger than the money expended by the company on compensating the victims."

Earl

 

[MASSEY]

You old timers love a moan.

 

[Dawg]

Yep you gotta give it to corporate human nature left to its own devices.

"Union Carbide has, on its own admission, spent well over $50 million on legal fees so far, a sum that is larger than the money expended by the company on compensating the victims."

Earl

Where is that from?
Wiki has:
Eventually, in an out-of-court settlement reached in 1989, Union Carbide agreed to pay US$ 470 million for damages caused in the Bhopal disaster,

 

You old timers love a moan.

If it were not for the moaners.

You would probably be living in a mud hut in Sherwood forest.

Earl

 

[adventurelife]

Do you think there is any evidence to suggest that employers are any more caring nowadays?.

Yes I do

In the developed countries such as ours I would say all employers are doing a much better job than 50 years ago and a hugely better job than 100 years ago.

In the developing nations employers are doing a much better job that 25 years ago but yes many of them do have a long way to go but development does not work instantly it is a process.

Example in Morocco where I have interests employees now get a form of national health. When I first went there in 1984 that did not happen. Huge amounts now go to university again twenty odd years ago very few did.

Things change for the better on the whole when countries develop.

 

[Podge]

Yes I do

In the developed countries such as ours I would say all employers are doing a much better job than 50 years ago and a hugely better job than 100 years ago.

In the developing nations employers are doing a much better job that 25 years ago but yes many of them do have a long way to go but development does not work instantly it is a process.

Example in Morocco where I have interests employees now get a form of national health. When I first went there in 1984 that did not happen. Huge amounts now go to university again twenty odd years ago very few did.

Things change for the better on the whole when countries develop.

And of course this has nothing to do with the heavy hand of government stopping employers from exploiting their workforce. Also to do away with the nmw as a lot of businesses on here would like would clearly improve the lot of most workers.
Businesses getting more caring about it's employee's, don't make me laugh.

 

Yes I do

In the developed countries such as ours I would say all employers are doing a much better job than 50 years ago and a hugely better job than 100 years ago.

You do mean legislation has made them behave.

Earl

 

[Lucan Unlordly]

What a shameful existence when business is created for the sole purpose of making sure 'i'm alright Jack'

I recall a friend of mine who at the time was employing over 120 people in the building trade (including Polish migrants) complaining about the influx of immigrants to the point where he was considering two options. One to vote for the BNP and the second to move to Spain where he could buy a significant property for a relative pittance thereby adding to the inflationary pressures that had forced many locals out of the villages they were born in. He too failed to see the irony.

The philosophy of Ying and Yang may well be utopian beyond possibility but as a mere mortal spending some time on this earth in the best country in the world I would rather pack up than live like a parasite off others.

 

The strength of the Industrial revolution, the wealth it created, was based on importing raw materials and exporting finished goods. The UK's comparative advantage was that we were first, and at the time did it better than anyone else. .

If you are talking about slavery I have to agree with you as that provided us with the wealth for the industrial revolution.

Describing them as finished goods seems apt.

Earl

 

[gmoto]

What a shameful existence when business is created for the sole purpose of making sure 'i'm alright Jack'

Indeed - it's sad that so many are only willing to consider looking after those closest to them, when they could make a much bigger difference to those a little bit more different to themselves.