Does May want to win?

[Mr D]

Find a house - they often have one....

 

[UKSBD]

The 10th one on the development is probably a prefab

 

[sirearl]

You didn't keep the house?

All the technology, computers etc - is toolmaking now a more efficient job? Can a toolmaker now produce the same work as you used to, faster and safer?

I sold it a few years ago to live somewhere nicer.

The jobs not important most of my neighbours where brick layers and other craftsmen .Tell me how many could afford 1.6 million for a house now?

I suspect the right to buy was a big part of the race to the bottom.

 

[Ian J]

The end of society, per May's predecessor Thatcher.

I remember those times fondly as the two most important words in the British worker's vocabulary were parity and differential and an important segment of British society was always on strike for either parity or differential culminating in the winter of discontent.

Anyone too young to remember those wonderful days under the last Trade Union Government should just Google "Winter of Discontent" to see what we had to put up with.

Thatcher changed the way the country was run so that it was run by the elected Government and not by the Trade Unions and she had a huge mandate from the people to do it.

She was a true hero of the people

 

[sirearl]

I remember those times fondly as the two most important words in the British worker's vocabulary were parity and differential and an important segment of British society was always on strike for either parity or differential culminating in the winter of discontent.

Anyone too young to remember those wonderful days under the last Trade Union Government should just Google "Winter of Discontent" to see what we had to put up with.

Thatcher changed the way the country was run so that it was run by the elected Government and not by the Trade Unions and she had a huge mandate from the people to do it.

She was a true hero of the people

I remember those times fondly as the two most important words in the British worker's vocabulary were parity and differential and an important segment of British society was always on strike for either parity or differential culminating in the winter of discontent.

Anyone too young to remember those wonderful days under the last Trade Union Government should just Google "Winter of Discontent" to see what we had to put up with.

Thatcher changed the way the country was run so that it was run by the elected Government and not by the Trade Unions and she had a huge mandate from the people to do it.

She was a true hero of the people

SO WAS HITLER.

Amazing how self interest distorts reality.

 

[Clodbuster]

SO WAS HITLER.

A very poor analogy. I can remember as an outsider laughing at the English and how rubbish they were. No one purchased an English motor car because it was rubbish. Thatcher fixed that without the Hitler progression.

 

[STDFR33]

Well their choices are usually rent or buy. If you know of other choices they have then by all means lets see them.
Perhaps when house prices drop the renters who are waiting will think about buying.

When rents are higher than mortgage then usually a good idea to think about mortgage. Some probably still are.
Others may be waiting. The trend for house prices is up, it does not go up every year.

Oh and those speculators buying property - if they rent them out they are providing a place for those who rent....
Not everyone wants to buy, not everyone can buy.

The alternative for a lot of people is to remain living at their parents.

For a single person with an average salary, even renting is unaffordable for a lot of people.

Even a couple living together with average salaries will struggle to pay rent and save for a mortgage.

 

[Ian J]

Amazing how self interest distorts reality.

I suppose that there was a certain amount of self interest involved as I disliked sitting in the dark as the power workers were on strike or not being able to get to work as either one or other of the rail unions were on strike or being unable to heat my home as the coal miners were on strike or being unable to bury my relatives etc etc etc

 

[Mr D]

The alternative for a lot of people is to remain living at their parents.

For a single person with an average salary, even renting is unaffordable for a lot of people.

Even a couple living together with average salaries will struggle to pay rent and save for a mortgage.

Great, so those people living with parents who want to move out will be among those waiting for house prices to fall.

 

[Mr D]

I sold it a few years ago to live somewhere nicer.

The jobs not important most of my neighbours where brick layers and other craftsmen .Tell me how many could afford 1.6 million for a house now?

I suspect the right to buy was a big part of the race to the bottom.

Presumably anyone looking to buy a house in that area could...
There are houses still being sold for that value and higher so we know there are people who can afford it.
Including some who downsize and free up equity doing so.

Right to buy made no difference to the number housed, it made a difference to ownership.

Years ago my local council still owned houses, tenants with major problems were waiting months for repairs. The entire stock was sold to housing groups and part of the deal was upgrade the houses - that cost millions. Tenants wait a much shorter time now but still measured in weeks or a month or more.
The house I purchased was an ex council house - big difference in the upkeep on the estate between the owned and council properties.

 

[sirearl]

I suppose that there was a certain amount of self interest involved as I disliked sitting in the dark as the power workers were on strike or not being able to get to work as either one or other of the rail unions were on strike or being unable to heat my home as the coal miners were on strike or being unable to bury my relatives etc etc etc

I disliked sitting in the dark as the power workers were on strike Candles or not being able to get to work as either one or other of the rail unions were on strike on your bike or being unable to heat my home as the coal miners were on strike Electricity or being unable to bury my relatives B&Q sell cheap spades.

Blimey good job you was born after the war.

Nothing throughout history has ever been gained for working people without fighting for it in one form or another.

Greed and ignorance has the upper hand I am afraid!!!

 

[Ian J]

Greed and ignorance has the upper hand I am afraid!!!

In the dark days surrounding the winter of discontent the greed was on the part of the unions who were happy to squeeze the life out of everybody until the voters got sick of it and voted in Mrs Thatcher to curb their excesses.

Incidentally I forgot to mention the motor industry and their weekly strikes.

Don't pretend that you don't remember it as you are older than me

 

[Deleted member 287446]

"Frankly, if I had the choice between sending in Jeremy Corbyn, with his politeness and reasonableness, or Theresa May, into a negotiation I would not hesitate for a second in choosing Corbyn. I am quite sure there is not another diplomat in the World who would make a different choice. May’s flakiness and intolerance of disagreement represent a disaster waiting to happen." - Former British Ambassador Craig Murray (who negotiated the Sierra Leone peace talks.)

 

[Mr D]

I disliked sitting in the dark as the power workers were on strike Candles or not being able to get to work as either one or other of the rail unions were on strike on your bike or being unable to heat my home as the coal miners were on strike Electricity or being unable to bury my relatives B&Q sell cheap spades.

Blimey good job you was born after the war.

Nothing throughout history has ever been gained for working people without fighting for it in one form or another.

Greed and ignorance has the upper hand I am afraid!!!

Can buy cheap spades. Where do you bury the body?
I remember the candles. It doesn't help when you are a child and the only light is a candle in a different room.
Rail unions on strike - yes the bike was possible. Don't know many people who cycled 60 miles each way back then but sure there were some.
You may have had electricity to heat your home - oh wait was that when the power workers were also on strike? There were plenty of people with coal fires.

 

[Cobby]

Cobby, some of us have intimate experience of the problems of poverty. And have since have years of experience working with projects to help others.
I am not generalising.

Then I'm at a loss as to why you continue to argue the case that people in poverty deserve their circumstances because they simply aren't trying hard enough.

Like this:

OK so rent and council tax covered. So not covering food, water, gas, lecky, insurance, phone, clothing etc - and still they survive. Dental? Its not necessarily much cost if anything on a yearly basis unless you have problems.
Prescription? If you have a lot you can pre pay for a card.

Poverty and near-poverty living can (and does) lead to health problems and dental problems. Pre-pay for a yearly card? Over £100? How many people in that situation do you think have that sort of money sitting around available to them? Come on.

The buyers appears to disagree with you regarding affordable.
If the housing was unaffordable it would not sell.

You do not seem to understand markets, or the broader point being put forward about home ownership. :/

 

[Deleted member 59730]

Incidentally I forgot to mention the motor industry and their weekly strikes.

In the 50s to the 70s the vast majority of industrial disputes were the fault of extremely bad management. I still haven't forgiven the Tories for the 3 day week.

 

[Ian J]

I still haven't forgiven the Tories for the 3 day week.

We'll have another one (well a four day week) if the Green Party have their way

 

[Deleted member 59730]

We'll have another one (well a four day week) if the Green Party have their way

I introduced a 4 day week for my staff years ago. Actually a day off each week. There is a big difference between planned flexi time and enforced down time. There are many studies which show that 4 day weeks increase productivity. My staff appreciated the chance to get all their household chores, dentist appointments etc. out of the way before the weekend.

 

[Mr D]

In the 50s to the 70s the vast majority of industrial disputes were the fault of extremely bad management. I still haven't forgiven the Tories for the 3 day week.

There were 2 sides to the dispute? Do you blame the other side at all or were they always in the right?

 

[Mr D]

We'll have another one (well a four day week) if the Green Party have their way

Can quite imagine them wanting other people to manage on 80% of the gross income.

 

[Clodbuster]

I still haven't forgiven the Tories for the 3 day week.

I haven't forgiven Labour for shafting us - but that is another story.

 

[Gecko001]

Calling a referendum was done because of panic and calling a general election .was done because of panic. I actually do not think the result of the election will make any changes to how Brexit will proceed. It will affect what happens in the UK though.

 

[Mr D]

Calling a referendum was done because of panic and calling a general election .was done because of panic. I actually do not think the result of the election will make any changes to how Brexit will proceed. It will affect what happens in the UK though.

The Conservatives had a number of MPs (plus some from other parties) who dislike the EU. The referendum offer has been made in multiple general elections, this time it was actually done - probably in order to shut up the euro sceptics for a bit.
Now, anyone standing as MP knows which direction the country is going. How we get there ..... that's more open to question. Ask 28 countries how we get there.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Well, May's decision to hold this election seems to have spectacularly backfired.

 

[Deleted member 59730]

And it seems Cyndy was correct.

I still stand by my prediction of several months ago. Brexit will be foiled by internal British politics.

 

[fisicx]

What a complete mess

5 years of chaos will now ensue

 

[KM-Tiger]

5 years of chaos will now ensue

More likely another election within a year.

 

[Ian J]

What a complete mess

5 years of chaos will now ensue

I can't see this government lasting for another year let alone 5 years.

Mrs May has made a right mess and instead of strengthening her hand in Brexit negotiations it has made it far far weaker.

I'm not even sure that she has a mandate to govern her own party let alone the country

 

[Newchodge]

May has said she won't resign, so presumably she will be gone by lunchtime.

 

[Ian J]

I'll be interested to see an analysis of the votes to see what effect the young first time voters and the over 65s had on the overall result

 

[KM-Tiger]

I'll be interested to see an analysis of the votes to see what effect the young first time voters and the over 65s had on the overall result

Indeed.

Canterbury is a very interesting result, a red dot in a sea of blue. But a very large student population. Apparently 8,000 new voters registered there.

 

[Ian J]

The two things that the Tories should take from this fiasco is that firstly if they make a mistake, just admit it and not try and bluster through it and secondly a presidential style campaign won't work when the candidate is seriously lacking in charisma and warmth so next time stick Boris up front as like him or loathe him the man has charisma in spades

 

[The Byre]

What a complete mess

5 years of chaos will now ensue

Oh goody, goody, goody!

 

[Newchodge]

I can't see this government lasting for another year let alone 5 years.

Mrs May has made a right mess and instead of strengthening her hand in Brexit negotiations it has made it far far weaker.

I'm not even sure that she has a mandate to govern her own party let alone the country

On the figures it is going to be VERY tough. The DUP will lead her by the nose, but the DUP will never do anything that might allow Jeremy Corbyn into power. Once she has lost a few important votes, she can't call another election without a 66% vote for it, but Labour would not support such a vote. They should simply say - if you can't govern, give us a chance, we can form a government.

 

[KM-Tiger]

but Labour would not support such a vote. They should simply say - if you can't govern, give us a chance, we can form a government.

But the numbers don't add up. Even with the SNP and LDs they are still short of a majority.

 

[Ian J]

Once she has lost a few important votes, she can't call another election without a 66% vote for it, but Labour would not support such a vote. They should simply say - if you can't govern, give us a chance, we can form a government.

Labour can't form a government as neither the Tories nor the DUP will vote with them and the only chance they have is to vote for yet another election in the hope that they can maintain their upward momementum

 

[Mr D]

And if we have another election in a few months time there is no guarantee that the electoral map will change much - could still end up with a minority government.
Or worse - a government that wants to spend spend spend.

Agreed this election has backfired badly on the PM. Would not be surprised to see her stand down before the month is out.
Now, who would be a good replacement for her? Several candidates - I'm hoping not Boris.
Gove would be interesting...

 

[Mr D]

On the figures it is going to be VERY tough. The DUP will lead her by the nose, but the DUP will never do anything that might allow Jeremy Corbyn into power. Once she has lost a few important votes, she can't call another election without a 66% vote for it, but Labour would not support such a vote. They should simply say - if you can't govern, give us a chance, we can form a government.

It may end up coming to that.
Its not outside the realm of possibility anyway.

Just checking at the moment on what is entailed in moving business to certain countries. Got details on a few but spreading the net a little wider.

 

[Cobby]

Or worse - a government that wants to spend spend spend.

Austerity doesn't work, and today's result shows the people are not satisfied with the work the Conservatives have been doing, so we're headed towards your idea of 'worse' no matter what

Now, who would be a good replacement for her? Several candidates - I'm hoping not Boris.
Gove would be interesting...

As Ian said earlier, Boris has Charisma, but he is a literal clown. Pretty much every other choice they could make varies from vacuous to "are you sure he's not a sex offender?"

They have few successes to defend, no value left to their promises and no leadership material. Quite the pickle for them.

 

[Newchodge]

Plus, of course, the real decision makers will be the party of Ian Paisley, a party of terrorists who are homophobic, racist murderers. The Tories screamed about Jeremy Corbyn speaking to the IRA, when he was seeking peace. Now they will ally themselves with the political wing of a current terrorist organisation who murdered a man in front of his 3 year old child 2 weeks ago.