Disrupting The SEO Industry

That I can see, many SEO providers do basic things:
- make website more SEO friendly
- create SEO relevant content
- connect to search engines
- review activity and report
- wash, rinse, repeat

Most businesses also charge monthly fees for the service, which is not unreasonable.

So, what would be considered disruptive in this industry, if a new provider wanted to create a new approach?
 

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    So, what would be considered disruptive in this industry, if a new provider wanted to create a new approach?
    I wish I could remember who on UKBF recommended AdGrow to me to credit them, but seriously, spend a bit of time chatting to Thomas Baugh from AdGrow about the subject, and you'll be speaking to someone who takes a sensible, no-nonsense, honest, and informed approach to SEO. That, I would say, is a disruptive approach compared to every other SEO 'expert' who's ever tried to sell their services to me.
     
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    Many businesses don't need SEO (shock! horror! jaw drops in disbelief!). What they need is a marketing plan that will grow the business.

    As an example, if you are a local business a GBP and a bit of local marketing will suffice.

    If your net spreads wider there could be better ways to promote the business than rely on Google's reading of your site.

    As to actual SEO practices, it's not complicated but it can be time consuming to begin with but this can reduce to a few hours of tweaking each month. It doesn't need a monthly subscription unless you are targeting something highly competitive. But even then a good marketing plan can make like so much simpler.

    If you want to disrupt the SEO industry, stop selling SEO and start promoting business growth.
     
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    It doesn't need a monthly subscription unless you are targeting something highly competitive.
    ... and it it is those potential monthly costs that put people off SEO quickly.
     
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    ... and it it is those potential monthly costs that put people off SEO quickly.
    Exactly.

    But don't sell SEO. Don't even mention it in your pitch. Focus on reducing costs and business growth. It may be that you need to do some SEO to achieve this but you don't need tell the client. What you do is show them that inquiries have increased. That makes them more happy than saying your ranking has improved for X keywords.
     
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    In truth, 'disrupt' has become one of those put-off words.

    What is lacking in the SEO arena is any real comprehension of marketing as a whole -and the obvious relationship between SEO and a marketing plan. There are exception including some on here, but 90% of the (semi-legit) approaches I get are selling SEO as a panacea, not as part of a strategy.
     
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    As an example, if you are a local business a GBP and a bit of local marketing will suffice.
    My daughter's business is a perfect example of this. She runs a riding school, and her Google My Business profile, with its reviews, generates most of her business. The second largest source of business is her Facebook profile, her website SEO doesn't come up anywhere important in her business needs.

    Disclaimer: Most of the people who view her profile go to her website to then enquire, but the journey begins with the Google business profile.
     
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    ....but the journey begins with the Google business profile.
    It's all about the customer journey.

    I get load of visitors via wordpress.org. It's where most of my business comes from. They click on the relevant link and land on the website where they see a whole load of examples from which comes the email with a message saying: "I want one of these".

    I recall a report from a few years back saying more business is done outside of Google than inside. A huge amount of searching is just for information with no intent to engage or buy from the source.
     
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    My daughter's business is a perfect example of this. She runs a riding school, and her Google My Business profile, with its reviews, generates most of her business. The second largest source of business is her Facebook profile, her website SEO doesn't come up anywhere important in her business needs.

    Disclaimer: Most of the people who view her profile go to her website to then enquire, but the journey begins with the Google business profile.
    My wife is also in the equine industry. It's a cottage industry led almost entirely by WOM. (with a small touch of social media).

    Periodically someone scares her with FOMO into believing that she needs a website with SEO. Our conversation goes something like this:

    HER: I really do need a website.

    ME: What do you need that for?

    HER: To get more customers.

    ME: You are booked up 6 weeks ahead & turning people away, why do you want more customers?

    HER: What if some leave & I run out of work?

    ME: Have you tried asking existing clients, or posting on your (unused) Facebook page?

    HER: No, because I wouldn't be able to accommodate more customers.

    This happens roughly once every 6 months. And still she falls for the FOMO SEO pitch.
     
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    That I can see, many SEO providers do basic things:
    - make website more SEO friendly
    - create SEO relevant content
    - connect to search engines
    - review activity and report
    - wash, rinse, repeat

    Most businesses also charge monthly fees for the service, which is not unreasonable.

    So, what would be considered disruptive in this industry, if a new provider wanted to create a new approach?
    Actually doing those things rather than just promising it
     
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    Actually doing those things rather than just promising it
    I said disrupt it, not do the basics that one is paid for!!!! That would be too easy!
     
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    That I can see, many SEO providers do basic things:
    - make website more SEO friendly
    - create SEO relevant content
    - connect to search engines
    - review activity and report
    - wash, rinse, repeat

    Most businesses also charge monthly fees for the service, which is not unreasonable.

    So, what would be considered disruptive in this industry, if a new provider wanted to create a new approach?

    I'm an SEO consultant (mentioned by Ozzy at the top of the thread).

    I don't know if it's considered disruptive but where I feel I add value to a lot of clients is marrying strategy to actions.

    Strategy is understanding the entire market you're operating in and the different ways people will search to find your products or services. In my experience most businesses/websites think in very narrow terms - maybe looking to target just a few simplistic searches - and miss opportunities to expand their footprint in organic search. You've got to see the whole picture.

    Using Google Search Console performance data for instance (which a shocking number of SEO companies don't despite it being both free and a treasure trove of information), you can gain some incredible insights. I'll usually dissect this data and outline the potential value of SEO to any prospective client before engaging in work. The size of the opportunity and the amount of work required to achieve it (monthly or as a block) will then determine cost.

    Often, for a small, local business in a less competitive market, one-off works can be impactful and have a long-lasting positive effect. Some of my favourite projects over the last 20 years have been hand-holding new businesses as they launch their websites and just get some foundational presence on Google by covering the basics.

    Monthly retainers are the norm for most though, usually because SEO success in competitive markets requires both investment and time. You have to identify the work required (usually based on the gap between where you are and the people currently winning the race), implement everything (which isn't always easy if businesses have complicated websites, development teams, additional stakeholders or other roadblocks) and then wait for Google to digest those improvements and (hopefully) reward the work. Along the way, your job as an SEO is to be transparent about what you're doing, explain the processes and present evidence of progress in the results.

    The client plays an important role too. I find that the people who are 'plugged in' and interested in the process, tend to get the best results. That's because they see the challenges and help facilitate progress. I also like clients that constantly keep me in the loop about what the business is doing, new developments, etc because I can then respond with ideas about how SEO can add value to those things. It keeps things vibrant, creates a culture of collaboration and offers a much better chance of success.

    I think SEO has a bad reputation and there's a lot of mistrust. To combat this, what I try to do is explain things logically, be transparent with the process, open up the data and most importantly, set expectations at the starting gun. Unfortunately, I can't do anything about the 'Rank position #1 in 2 weeks' guys so they will continue to give the legit SEO companies a bad rep.

    What you've listed above Paul are a list of actions, which is the basis of most monthly deliverables. It's an OK top level overview (although I would say 'make website more SEO friendly' is somewhat broad 😅). But there's doing these things and there's doing them well. That is usually the key difference.

    Anyway, apologies for the self-indulgence and hopefully this is insightful for someone. I just thought it might be good to get a perspective from the dark side!
     
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    Thanks for the comments.

    What do you think is a simple thing that could change the industry dramatically?
     
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    In one word: content.

    Google likes websites that have fresh content. So content, content, content. Offer white papers, press releases, research papers, product fresheners, case studies, industry news etc. And use AI where possible for highest possible margin, but run through human Ai checker first :)
    Noooooooo!

    That's really about as wrong as it gets. Google likes golden content, relevant content, accurate content, content that best serves the search query. It doesn't have to be fresh and there doesn't have to be a lot of it. I've got sites ranking for decent search terms with just a handful of pages that hasn't been updated in years.
     
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    We can agree to differ. I ran an ecommerce website for six years, with 300,000 products and nearly £1m in revenue and fresh content helped enormously. I guess it depends what you're selling. If you're a plumber you arent going to be writing a press release a week. If you're selling / marketing business services you should definitely be writing fresh content and that is what millions of companies do. To just say 'nooooo' isn't really helpful. Talking of helpful, that's Google's new focus - helpful content - and writing regular content does help.
     
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    Apologies for the nooooo!

    As you say it's all about the type of businesses. The number of competitive sites is tiny compared to the vast majority. Most site just need the basic SEO features in place. Once set up it just needs the occasional tweak. Blogging does very little to help rank the core pages so it's not worth the effort. It's far better to focus on conversions and sales as this is what makes the money. Which often means long tail - a very lucrative way to make money.

    The tsunami of fresh content being churned out daily is overwhelming which means your fresh content is lost amongst all the garbage. Using AI to write your content just adds to the pile. But if you worked on your product descriptions, adjusted the titles, added related products, sold bundled products and most importantly looked at alternate means of marketing, SEO would become far less important.
     
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    Once the website is built

    Most *small businesses* don't need an SEO, don't need a database administrator, don't need a developer, don't need a website designer, don't need an ads specialist, don't need a social networking team, don't need an admin for hosting and Wordpress updates, don't need a photographer, don't need a graphic designer - but they do need someone who can do all these things to a degree.

    I've got a number people who I basically give 5- 10 hours a month to.

    Although SEO is always on my mind when doing things, 80% of the time it is just niggly little things like, monitoring, backing up, tweaking, updating, problem solving, adding posts, talking to them, etc.
     
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    Which brings us back to the original question. To disrupt the SEO industry you need to train business owners from stop wanting SEO to wanting business growth. Focus on what makes money. The solution might be SEO but often it isn’t.
     
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    Google has a 95% share of the search engine space in the UK and 88% in the US.
    Nobody is disputing this. The question was how to disrupt the SEO industry. There are lots of ways to do this but they are require a change of mindset.
     
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    What do you think is a simple thing that could change the industry dramatically?
    It may not be the only way to disrupt the industry but a little evidence of SEO success would go a long way. The problem of rogue SEO specialists thrives because in general, people don't know the right questions to ask.

    You say you know how to rank targeted keywords? .... Prove it!

    Show me evidence that your SEO tactics actually work. Show me some keywords with search volume greater than 1000 per month, that you helped a business achieve a number one rank for. Let me speak to that business.

    If you could make transparency the norm, it may well disrupt.
     
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    Just checking........ "I ran an ecommerce website for six years, with 300,000 products and nearly £1m in revenue and fresh content helped enormously." £3 sales per product per year?

    We didnt sell every product obviously. The website acted as a reseller of business information products. 50% royalty if we made a sale of a product. Products ranged from $100 to $10,000. So your calculation makes no sense whatsoever.
     
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