Crap Links?

[FunkyBears]

I outsourced some link building over 6 weeks ago, the guy promised he would get me some quality High PR Quality Relevant Links. I heard nothing from him and now he has come back saying he has built me 20 hight quality links. The first URL I check looks like a link farm and doesn't even have a Title tag when I checked it in meta tag analyser and when I view it in IE shopping is spelt shooping! Has a link from a site like this have any value whatsover?
http://cvfaculty.org/

 

[nitro23456]

That site is PR2 and the link is do-follow with decent anchor text for you. So there are worse links in the world.

Better links would have less outgoing from the page and be more closely targetted to your niche, but I have seen worse to be honest. (and better) but I would say it has some value.

 

[maxh]

I outsourced some link building over 6 weeks ago, the guy promised he would get me some quality High PR Quality Relevant Links. I heard nothing from him and now he has come back saying he has built me 20 hight quality links. The first URL I check looks like a link farm and doesn't even have a Title tag when I checked it in meta tag analyser and when I view it in IE shopping is spelt shooping! Has a link from a site like this have any value whatsover?
http://cvfaculty.org/

Good god man!

Scroll down, that site is full of totally irrelevant links.

I would say it will not increase your rankings one iota.

That link is worth £0.001

You'd need a million of those to get any kind of decent ranking.

 

[FunkyBears]

Thanks maxh I thought they wouldn't have much value, here is another one:
http://www.india-gift.com/search-engine-optimization.htm
What should I be paying for 20 links of a similar nature?

 

[nitro23456]

cant even get that one to load!

if they are all of a similar nature, they will have a small positive effect in my opinion but they are not worth much money.

 

[maxh]

$5 is the maximum I would part with for those links.

 

[awebapart.com]

There's links from PR2 pages with not many links on the page, and there's links from PR2 pages with many links on the page.

One is usually better than the other, but in this particular case having a link on a page, with over 250 other links on that page, cannot really be classed as a quality link.

 

[herodigital]

Thanks maxh I thought they wouldn't have much value, here is another one:
http://www.india-gift.com/search-engine-optimization.htm
What should I be paying for 20 links of a similar nature?

anything with india in the URL is seofail

 

[terryuk]

Looks like an Indian link builder to me dealt with similar pages in the past, it's ok if you get them when they have less than 5 links on the site but when they then sell 20+ it gets worse and worse. The links on that site carry little weight I am sure.

 

[fisicx]

Agree with the above, it's some chap/chappess in India churning out low value linkfarm pages which Google hates. If these pages ever come under review there can be a real cascading effect as they are penalised - in otherwords you could even lose ranking.

Value of these links is about a penny.

 

[RedEvo]

Hands up those who think quality sites link out willy nilly for a few dollars..... In the end you can only secure quality links in one of two ways.

1. Have something worth linking to
2. Buy them

If deep down you know your content is nothing special (or worse) then deep down you know your pages will not secure quality links. By the way option 2 cost more than a few dollars.

Just a point of view.

d

 

[maxh]

I have actually heard good success stories of sites using these crap links, but in massive volume 100k +

 

[david64]

Hi FunkyBears,

As others have mentioned these links have value. I have loads of these links to my sites I just want to pump up Google quickly. I also know someone in the same niche as you, personalised gifts (although they don't do bears), and they are pumping their site full of those links. These links are what I would call "gutter links". They are certainly not high quality. They are also outside of Google's guidelines, but you won't have any problems with that. However, if Google find that site, they are likely to de-list it, hence the link won't count for nothing.

maxh says the link is worth less than a penny and you would need a million of those. That's a bit of an exaggeration. If you are buying those kind of links, the avg. price would be about £1 and I have a number of sites ranking with those kind of links coming though. However, you do need a lot of them as they are garbage. That page is stuffed with links. I also wouldn't pay £1 for them. I'd only take that kind of garbage for free.

To give you a bit more insight into what is going on there. Most Indian SEOs main offering is called 3-way link exchange. This is when two commercial sites want to exchange links, but rather than have the exchanged link on your site, you put it on another 3rd party site. That site is such a 3-way link exchange 3rd party site (dumping ground). So what has happened is your link builder has exchanged a link and got your link on the dumping ground or that is his site and he has dumped you on there with a load of other links. If you are smart, you can get them to give you these garbage links without paying or lifting a finger

As herodigital point out, India has an awful reputation for SEO. This is the kind of thing that was being brought up in previous threads. This is the kind of thing that is a staple of SEO and being sold as ethical, white hat and high quality. If you know what you are actually getting is garbage, no problem, but seems as you have been misled.

As a general rule, to get quality links, you are either going to pay a lot of money for them or they will come naturally. As Funky Bears is a commercial site, the most likely way you are going to get good links is by putting in the work yourself. It's really tough work. In general, SEOs just do whatever quick-punt work they can do to make money. That quick punt work can make you a profit, but you should know what kind of links you are going to get.

 

[david64]

1. Have something worth linking to
2. Buy them

...

Just a point of view.

That's not POV - that's the reality.

I have actually heard good success stories of sites using these crap links, but in massive volume 100k +

Maybe 100K if you were in something like insurance and then you would need loads of other links too. They are very poor. For most SERPs, you will need something on top of this. Get 100 of these links on a new site and it would go about PR1. That's good enough to have you competing for real low-end terms.

 

[RedEvo]

Some good advice in here IMHO.

It's a contentious issue for SEO's. On the one hand we know that spending time seeking quality links (including creating content worth linking to) will eventually create results, but we have clients who want x links for £y. We reject clients who want the latter but for many it's easy money as the work can be farmed to India/Philippines etc.

This is worth a watch.

d

 

[maxh]

Maybe 100K if you were in something like insurance and then you would need loads of other links too. They are very poor. For most SERPs, you will need something on top of this. Get 100 of these links on a new site and it would go about PR1. That's good enough to have you competing for real low-end terms.

The sector was legal, so terms like "personal injury lawyer"

You get the picture..

 

[I, Brian]

I outsourced some link building over 6 weeks ago, the guy promised he would get me some quality High PR Quality Relevant Links. I heard nothing from him and now he has come back saying he has built me 20 hight quality links. The first URL I check looks like a link farm and doesn't even have a Title tag when I checked it in meta tag analyser and when I view it in IE shopping is spelt shooping! Has a link from a site like this have any value whatsover?

Just ran a manual check for a sample of the anchor text on the site - looks like the links aren't even impacting in almost all instances, even for easy longtail phrases.

Either the links are new, the target sites are sandboxed, or the link farm is passing no juice.

Personally, I would not pay a penny for that sort of link, and would never put a client site on such a page.

Just a big target for big G.

 

[eventdomain]

to get quality links, you are either going to pay a lot of money for them or they will come naturally.

These on-target, quality links are highly-prized and not given out to average type websites/businesses.

To get these 'naturally' (or for free) links, it will take years and that's if you even fit their criteria at all, which biz sites won't. I suggest the difficulty in getting such links is like getting on the resource pages of universities or .gov sites, its really about competing at that level (resource-wise) and matching what they already got, so its appealing and worthy of linking to you.

The difficulty increases as these authority sites grow in content. The higher the profile of a site, the harder it is too get these links in practise anyway.... - but as said hundreds of times, you must own an authority site, to get onto an authority site for free, or else expect to pay some sort of fee for inclusion.

 

[RadiusBPO]

For these I'd say $50ish if they have PR and your anchor text. You will see a some improvement in ranking. And it's very unlikely these will be penalised by Google, they generally ignore complaints about link farms.

 

[david64]

These on-target, quality links are highly-prized and not given out to average type websites/businesses.

To get these 'naturally' (or for free) links, it will take years and that's if you even fit their criteria at all, which biz sites won't. I suggest the difficulty in getting such links is like getting on the resource pages of universities or .gov sites, its really about competing at that level (resource-wise) and matching what they already got, so its appealing and worthy of linking to you.

The difficulty increases as these authority sites grow in content. The higher the profile of a site, the harder it is too get these links in practise anyway.... - but as said hundreds of times, you must own an authority site, to get onto an authority site for free, or else expect to pay some sort of fee for inclusion.

That's probably the best put explanation of this situation I have heard on here. When offering SEO, one of the regular enquiries were from people who had hired various SEOs and got low-end links. They would either rank of these links or they would have fallen for the FUD that bad links will get you penalised etc. In both cases, they want to step up and get these high quality natural links, but not want to pay more than they would for garbage ones.

As mentioned earlier in the thread. You can either pay for the links or earn them. If you are paying for them, be prepared to keep your nostrils open and if you don't have experience in paid links, be prepared for some bad experiences too.

My response to these people became telling them if that is what they want, they need someone to work at least part-time on their site indefinitely.

There are some exceptions to this.

One is if your site/business is in an academic (or related), historical, scholarly and so on. These are quite easy to build real links for. One site I did was an osteopath. He had links into lots of sports sites and academic organisations. We got linked in with them via some schollarly white papers, acquired the same links as competitors and added a few crappy directory links for a bit of extra link text. Most people can't do that because they're business has no value beyond selling something people might want to buy. When that is the case, you get low-end links and/or paid links.

The other exception is with product & service evangelacism. This is when they use marketers (liars) to hype up their products using all sorts of techniques. An example would be taking a piece of plastic with wires inside and an Apple on it that will probably be thrown with distant into landfill in several years and manipulating their perceptions to make it into something more than this. If you can do that, you will have all sorts of groupies linking to you every time you bring out a new product.

Linked into the above exception is coming up with something new and innovative that has inherent value (no hype necessary). These will get links if people know about the product or service. An example being atmospheric water generators:

http://www.ecoloblue.com/

If your business doesn't fit with the above, you have to expand it somehow to have some value and push it till the cows come home.

 

[GNU]

I outsourced some link building over 6 weeks ago, the guy promised he would get me some quality High PR Quality Relevant Links. I heard nothing from him and now he has come back saying he has built me 20 hight quality links. The first URL I check looks like a link farm and doesn't even have a Title tag when I checked it in meta tag analyser and when I view it in IE shopping is spelt shooping! Has a link from a site like this have any value whatsover?
http://cvfaculty.org/

In my humble opinion, there is no such thing as a bad link, only a bad price, so its really down to what you were charged as to how bad those links are... for the money.

 

[nitro23456]

Yeah go on, how much did you pay?

 

[FunkyBears]

I've not paid anything yet, the guy is asking for $150.00 but says he will take what I think they are worth !

 

[mobyme]

I've not paid anything yet, the guy is asking for $150.00 but says he will take what I think they are worth !

Doesn't that say it all?

 

[harryboon]

Sweet FA then mate if I was you

I've not paid anything yet, the guy is asking for $150.00 but says he will take what I think they are worth !

 

[MASSEY]

Nah they will be worth atleast quarter of a dollar.

 

[SCArt]

No-one has mentioned articles and blogging - this is not the easiest way or the cheapest (unless you are a good writer with loads of time on your hands) but we have got high quality links fairly quickly (at least as quick as the crap links) that have had a substantial impact on our rankings.

In the end this is a form of paid links I suppose if you are paying someone to write for you (or does everybody know that already!).

PM me for details of the chapess who does our article and blog writing.

 

[Esk247]

you'd of had better luck spending an evening submitting your site to free directories.

bet you're glad you checked on here now, what a load of bollox links they are