Covid .... what a suprise

[MBE2017]

The FDA and Pfizer have been ordered to release a lot of information which it appears they preferred not to, and suprise suprise some interesting new information has come to light.

The main points being, natural immunity from previous infected people proved they had no difference in outcome from future Covid than those vaccinated, something neither the FDA or Pfizer wanted known.

There was higher levels of adverse effects, and more severe in younger groups than those previously admitted too. Of particular worry there is still no known long term data for fertility and pregnancies.

I’m sure plenty more things will come too light from these document dumps.

Don’t forget, many who questioned the speed of the Covid vaccinations, it’s safety, possible long term effects were often portrayed as conspiracy theorists or just plain stupid to have concerns.

Now, under legal pressure the truth is starting to come out, simple fact is unless your are very ill already, until you get over 60 years of age you have a 99.8/99.9% survival rate from catching Covid, although the rate goes down slightly in the more elderly.

 

[Deleted member 335660]

People have always queried vaccinations, and there are people who suffer from side effects.

It is important we learn more, but I think when medical opinion favoured the route we took.

Ironically all the people I know that died or suffered seriously from Covid had not had vaccinations and were in there mid life (40-55) age group.

 

[IanSuth]

I thought it was always accepted that a single immunisation gives roughly the same protection as a past infection

The point is YOU GET THAT WITHOUT GETTING ILL - now remember until 6 months ago when the variants seemed to become less dangerous it was still not a good thing to get.

I personally knew people who died OF covid - my daughters head of year at school for example over the 20/21 new year , he was fit, had no underlying health issues and was very early 50's

 

[Paul Carmen]

Not this again, what's the surprise here?

There's loads of information being released, where does it explicitly state what you say it does, as you've cited no credible or reliable sources in your post?

What you've stated as fact appears actually to just be an opinion, and I suspect, not one from a medical or scientifically reviewed reliable source. If that was actually a fact, why are the hospitalisation and death rates reduced massively post vaccines, including for those who've never previously had a Covid infection?

It's been widely reported and agreed for some time that the vaccines don't protect that well against getting the new strains, but do protect well against severe infection and illness.

As Ian says, they also offer this protection without having to have had a recent infection, which is the whole point really...

If you like facts, I'd suggest you post them, rather than an opinion. The Express did this based on cherry picking points and adding interesting headlines, this was widely shared online and has now gone from their website after being fact checked: https://fullfact.org/health/express-pfizer-vaccine-adverse-events/

 

[simon field]

If that was actually a fact, why are the hospitalisation and death rates reduced massively post vaccines, including for those who've never previously had a Covid infection?

Erm, could it be because the vast majority of people who were at risk of serious illness or death had already done so?

 

[Paul Carmen]

Erm, Simon, could be, but I doubt it, as many vulnerable in that situation took extreme care. Plus, the incidences in the general populace of first time infections with Delta, which was more infectious and more virulent, showed that vaccines protected people significantly from infection, but more importantly from hospitalisation and serious illness.

But actually, who knows, I've supplied nothing meaningful to support what I've just said

That was my point, you can spout any old opinion you like, tell any "cool story" you want and argue minor points and not substantiate anything you say, but it is totally meaningless.

Anyway, I'm not going to get back into a Covid thread, it just amused me that the old Covid conspiracy posts stating things are 'facts' with nothing to back them have returned...

 

[DontAsk]

The main points being, natural immunity from previous infected people proved they had no difference in outcome from future Covid than those vaccinated, something neither the FDA or Pfizer wanted known.

Meanwhile another study https://arstechnica.com/science/202...g-the-argument-for-natural-immunity-to-covid/ shows that natural immunity from infection is NOT as good as vaccination, especially with omicron.