Chinese virus
- Thread starter Chris Ashdown
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Meanwhile, prices for June are above $20. It's a technicality.
I think you armchair economics is about as good as your armchair epidemiology
I'm still waiting for your forecast 1000 deaths a day "somepoint in the next week". I have just realised, however, that you posted that on Arpil 1st, along with a statement that deatrhs were growing exponentially.
I think you armchair economics is about as good as your armchair epidemiology
I'm still waiting for your forecast 1000 deaths a day "somepoint in the next week". I have just realised, however, that you posted that on Arpil 1st, along with a statement that deatrhs were growing exponentially.
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Recession?
Depression & Catastrophe may be better words to describe the future.
It's a global problem and no country will be immune.
I don't think by not having a lockdown for 3/6/9 weeks will avert the problem.
The cost of bailing out 'most people' will be the main cause of whats likely to take place within the economy ( with ramifications not just for the economy) over the next 10 - 50 years.
Start tightening your belts and button down the hatches, we are all in for a very rough ride!
Very few will be immune.
Will the last person leaving the Planet, please switch off the lights.
Depression & Catastrophe may be better words to describe the future.
It's a global problem and no country will be immune.
I don't think by not having a lockdown for 3/6/9 weeks will avert the problem.
The cost of bailing out 'most people' will be the main cause of whats likely to take place within the economy ( with ramifications not just for the economy) over the next 10 - 50 years.
Start tightening your belts and button down the hatches, we are all in for a very rough ride!
Very few will be immune.
Will the last person leaving the Planet, please switch off the lights.
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Vietnam won't help anyone trying to run away from whats going to happen globally.
China is as it always is, trying it's hardest to be industrious, not offering accurate figures and looks after itself first.
My mates pub (A Brummy) is closed due to an infection amongst it's staff. Most pubs are closed as are restaurants and the ones that are open, are 10% occupied. No Bats on the menu.
Foreigners (me included) are now targeted as the China public fear that a second outbreak is likely to arrive from international travelers.
I still love you Ray!
Stay safe and keep well.
China is as it always is, trying it's hardest to be industrious, not offering accurate figures and looks after itself first.
My mates pub (A Brummy) is closed due to an infection amongst it's staff. Most pubs are closed as are restaurants and the ones that are open, are 10% occupied. No Bats on the menu.
Foreigners (me included) are now targeted as the China public fear that a second outbreak is likely to arrive from international travelers.
I still love you Ray!
Stay safe and keep well.
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All I have ever done is look out for you and try to give you a glimpse of the future. Surely you see it now surely you know this could and very possibly will cause major problems.
On top of that Alibaba is shafting anyone who is selling non essentials and prioritising PPE over all other stuff. Sent to their shipping warehouses. I just found out about this I never knew some suppliers send orders into Alibaba for shipping out to clients. 20 days I'm waiting for 10 cartons and they are not moving out of Alibaba warehouse.
I'm a brummy too. Once upon a time.
Lot of Chinese are in VN already with 2nd factories.
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LOL.
I'm glad you're watching my back!
Alibaba - No comment. They just do what is good for themselves, just like the Chinese government and most Chinese.
Brummy - My mate owns 'Morgans' in Guangzhou. (He's a Villan - in the football sense)
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaur...organ_s_Public_House-Guangzhou_Guangdong.html
I'll tell him how you treat me!
When you are in China, the drinks are on me!
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Yep, one reason only, to circumvent the tariffs between China and USA.
No other reason.
3 factories we work with have opened in Vietnam (with more opening in Thailand & Myanmar), just for the tariff reason only. Thailand are offering tax incentives.
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Yes but that already proves there is value and now more than ever all countries will be pushing for companies to diversify their manufacturing operations out of China. You know this already and if the internet was to correctly label online sales like how you can see where a product is made in a shop. China would suffer. I always though they missed a step on that note. All product listings should contain that Info imho.
Sorry for my typing errors by the way my phone has green line virus so 20% of my screen is green lines I have a new S10 but icanmot fly back to uk at present. Think it best to wait until end of year.
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It costs millions in setting up new factories (2000-3000 working staff) as large China owned companies are currently doing. All the technicians, engineers and managers are Chinese. Only the production line workers are locals. It takes 2 years to build a factory and train the workers to the standard required.
It's only done to circumvent the Trade Tariff situation between China & USA, as well as Made in Vietnam (Instead of Made in China) makes Trump and his followers happy.
China is suffering as will all countries across the world. There is no hiding place.
If you're currently in Vietnam, we can shout to each other!
Typo apologies accepted, take the phone back! (It was probably assembled in China, albeit it's a S Korean brand)
Stay safe!
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A Chinese University reckons this virus has over 20 odd mutations already. The original version mainly hit the Chinese, then the USA, mutated into more serious versions hitting European nations, China and New York area. The worst version can be up to 20 times more deadly than the original.
This will have massive repercussions for future treatments.
In China there appears to be a lot of racist attacks against Black people recently. By twisted fate, a few medics in China who fell victim to the virus have woken a few weeks later, to find they have turned Black.
This will have massive repercussions for future treatments.
In China there appears to be a lot of racist attacks against Black people recently. By twisted fate, a few medics in China who fell victim to the virus have woken a few weeks later, to find they have turned Black.
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Week 15 stats now published
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...landandwalesprovisional/weekending10april2020
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And they are. Week 15 saw nearly 1,300 additional deaths per day.I think you armchair economics is about as good as your armchair epidemiology
I'm still waiting for your forecast 1000 deaths a day "somepoint in the next week". I have just realised, however, that you posted that on Arpil 1st, along with a statement that deatrhs were growing exponentially.
Week 14 saw 6,700 deaths above the expected average weekly death toll of 11,000. Today the figures for week 15 have just been announced by the ONS - 8,000 deaths above the average for England and Wales and about 9,000 above the expected average for the whole of the UK.
The number of deaths in care homes has doubled, whilst we have seen a 72.4% increase in hospitals, and 51.1% increase in private homes (ONS figures).
As for my command of 'armchair economics,' I got it from the London School of Economics. I hate to think where you got your command of English and spelling from.
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Anecdotal evidence from GPs who speak of empty waiting rooms, combined with the disastrous figures for week 15 just published would suggest that this is indeed what is happening.
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It is time this lockdown is greatly eased off. Sweden have the correct answer and we were going that route until the bloody press got all agitated. Look after the elderly and susceptible letting the rest get the flu to build up herd immunity. There needs to be a trade off between the economy and leaving nothing left to function after a lengthy shutdown. I'm not interested in hearing that saving one life will make it worthwhile. The planet is over-populated and nature is trying to redress the balance but flaming scientists are getting in the way.
Shortage of PPE - why can it not be washed and re-used. Dunk the plastic in a solution and hang them out to dry. The face masks can certainly be reused. Perhaps not the gloves but then far less would be required.
The care homes- 80% are private institutions charging a fortune/week. Let them sort their own PPE out.
Shortage of PPE - why can it not be washed and re-used. Dunk the plastic in a solution and hang them out to dry. The face masks can certainly be reused. Perhaps not the gloves but then far less would be required.
The care homes- 80% are private institutions charging a fortune/week. Let them sort their own PPE out.
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How do you know herd immunity will work? It's a new virus and at the moment scientists ar unsure it will.
People often say they don't mind if someone dies due this but would change their mind if it affected them or a loved one.
What solution are you dunking your PPE in?
I agree care homes should have sorted out their ow PPE but do you really want to live in a society that allows people in care homes to die because you don't want to give PPE to a private company?
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This has info about it - scientists don't know yet:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-immunity-to-covid-19-really-means/
What about my other questions/points?
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You're missing a few points though.
1. A few months ago, they didn't know how bad this virus was, they didn't know how it would impact people or what damage it would do. There was a genuine panic that actually, the herd immunity idea might not work. It might of done but it might of gone wrong, that's why they changed things late on.
2. The Swedish population is around 10 million, the UK has over 6 times the population - Sweden is twice the size of the UK and has a less dense population.
3. Shortage of PPE - Not sure why private companies cannot buy it themselves, they don't have 'preferred suppliers' so can pick and chose from the wide variety of manufacturers who are now producing equipment. Unless of course they need approval from PHE before purchasing? There will be a reason, I imagine it's a legal one and requires them to only used approved suppliers.
I think the 'lock down' is being applied in the wrong way though. Supermarkets are open and busy, independent shops that only ever have one or two visitors at a time are closed. Forests are closed but the local park is open and busy. You can't drive in your own car to the park or non essential shops, but you can use a bus full of strangers and press the button that dozens of other people have pressed.
You can't visit a forest, because you might spread the virus by opening a gate. You can go to a supermarket and open the freezer to get a pizza, you can open the freezer again to put the pizza that you've just touched back and get another one. You cannot use your own vehicle to drive to the seaside and watch the sea, from your own car. You can take the bus to the seaside and sit on a bench that other people have sat on.
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Lucky you. I only ordered two. Maybe because it was the ones you can jog, cycle and run in, not the medical type ones. Ah well.
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Or you might catch the virus from the sheep farmers who I just heard about who have been lambing while collapsing from the virus.
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It's not as simple as that as you would need to ensure that the material is absolutely free of contaminants.
Some masks can be reused but they need to go through a specialised process to disinfect them. It's certainly not a diy job.
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One point to consider is that accidental deaths are probably lower than in periods where people are moving freely.
Of course, there could also be an argument to say that we are seeing more deaths as a result of people avoiding going into hospitals.
This would be more relevant depending on the percentage of those type of deaths in the overall number of deaths but there's also a chance that the contribution of the COVID-19 deaths, after the lockdown, is actually higher than just the difference between the actual number of deaths this year and the average from previous years.
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Well I don't think you can either but the police told me I cannot visit the local forest, because I may either come in to contact with other people or spread the virus when I open/close gates or put my hand on trees.
The police were perfectly fine with me sitting on a public bench and placing my hands on the bench either side of me while they told me that I cannot touch gates, trees etc.
So, according to yourself and the police, you cannot catch anything from benches. Trees and gates yes, benches no, never. I wonder what mystical material they are crafted from....
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Accidents (car, work and home) in England and Wales account for only 60-70 deaths per week.
Not yet, but there is a very real danger that in the long run there are people missing important checkups and other preventative measures. This has become a matter of real concern for German health insurance societies.
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Asked and answered, If it is going to cost X Trillion to save one of mine - no thanks.
Get off the grass, If you cannot get new then make a plan, don't sit there crying and waiting for someone else to do it for you (one of the biggest problems with English) I bet a simple dunking in a strong detergent and drying to desiccate any bacteria/virus would be quite adequate.
All this "Single Use" plastic is a bigger problem to the environment so washing them and re-using has multiple benefits.
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In a perfect world I would agree, but people seem to forget we do not live in a perfect world. Any attempt at disinfection to allow for reuse in a real emergency must be better than not having PPE, or not having tried to disinfect it for reuse.
The idea to reuse is a last resort, but if it came to that then people should try it rather than dismissing it entirely IMO.
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Learnt today that a woman I've known since she was at infant school and who I once employed is ill with Corona virus. Has battled it for weeks at the same time as helping her farmer boyfriend with the lambing season. They both have it quite badly and have been collapsing with the virus and exhaustion most days. Under normal circumstances they could ask for help but even the vets will not come out.its not just a dose of flu.
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