Bye bye Boris?

[Newchodge]

I don't know if anyone else is watching the debate on referrring Johnson to the Huse Committee?

The tory party appears to have abandoned him. There are very few Conservative party memebers present. If a vote is taken the opposition will win.

No one has yet spoken in his defence.

Looks like he is on his way.

 

[Ian J]

Haven't we had enough threads on this subject already

 

[Newchodge]

Haven't we had enough threads on this subject already

You don't have to read it.

 

[KM-Tiger]

I don't know if anyone else is watching the debate on referrring Johnson to the Huse Committee?

Nope, what's the point?

He clearly did not lie to parliament, so all this is just theatre, anything to prolong the campaign to oust him.

 

[UkAppCoder]

Newchodge said:
I don't know if anyone else is watching the debate on referrring Johnson to the Huse Committee?

The tory party appears to have abandoned him. There are very few Conservative party memebers present. If a vote is taken the opposition will win.

No one has yet spoken in his defence.

Looks like he is on his way.

MPs will vote on whether there should be an investigation. This is Labour's idea. Boris agrees that he should be scrutinised. These optics will be good for him because he will end up staying. This is why there are not many Conservative MPs present. It's a free vote. The motion will pass.

Can you imagine how it would have looked if Boris had not allowed a free vote?

Instead, Labour have helped him to stay as PM!

As usual, the Conservatives are just too wide for the left wing loons who have just scored another own goal! LOL!

 

[Jeff FV]

When I saw Steve Baker say it was time for him to go I really did think that this is now the time.

I think that one of the reasons* he has survived this long is because the ERG have had him in their pocket, but now they have realised that he is now an electoral liabilty rather than asset that support for him is costing them too much and are now removing their support for him. Without this support, his days are numbered.

Perhaps Baker has seen the opportunity for “early mover advantage “ and will position himself for the top job. (Had Sunak moved earlier in the year, he could have taken advantage of this, and been PM now, but his chance is gone)

*Another significant reason for his survival to date is the lack of credible replacements. Purging the party as he did in 2019 ensured his short & medium term survival, but risked his long term survival - with more experience and wiser heads around him, he may have avoided some of the mistakes he has made.

I am not a Boris fan (no surprises there!) but in March 2020 I was hopeful that he would be good for the country as we entered the pandemic: he would surround himself with sensible people (the likes of Whitty & Valance) who would shape and form policy, and he would be the ‘showman‘ who sold them to us, a frightened and bewildered public. How wrong was I. He is the worst PM, and his government the worst, that I have lived through. This is not the Tory party that I have known (and occasionally, but not recently, voted for). Under his premiership and governance I genuinely worry for our democracy

 

[The Byre]

Reasons to keep the toad -

• He is a magnificent recruiting sergeant for the SNP and PC.
• He is pushing Northern Ireland into joining the South.
• He is destroying the Tory party from the inside - always an amusing sight!
• To boost his image, he is sending weapons to Ukraine.
• He has proven once and for all time that we need to be in the EU.

Reasons to flush the toad down the loo -

• He is small, fat and ugly.
• He cannot put a cohesive and coherent sentence together.
• His gibbering idiot of a midget chancellor is ruining the economy.
• He is making the Labour Party front bench almost look competent (I don't like them either!)
• He appointed Pattel as Home Secretary.

The fact that he is a deceitful and profoundly narcissistic liar is neither here nor there - that's pretty much all politicians the world over! Some extremely unpleasant people have proven to be good leaders. His main problem, apart from bad judgment, stupidity and a comic clownesque appearance, is the fact that very few actually respect him in any way. He is today an international laughing stock, an object of ridicule.

 

[MBE2017]

To boost his image, he is sending weapons to Ukraine.

• He has proven once and for all time that we need to be in the EU.

No fan of any Politician, but would disagree with the above two points.

Offering weapons to the Ukraine is in the West’s interest, hence many other countries doing the same.

As for the EU, I do not see it covering itself in glory and I see no real change in the mood of the country. Keep dreaming, but the UK has partly left and will stay out IMO. Hopefully in the near future we can get a true Brexit, leaving it in its entirety.

 

[The Byre]

As for the EU, I do not see it covering itself in glory

Don't get me started on all that is totally wrong with the bloody EU! Worst of the lot is the ECB - if any institution manages to destroy Europe as a political and economic project that could have had enormous potential, the ECB is that institution! They bought the whole Magic Money Tree myth lock, stock and caboodle!

How the F did we get into this mess? Here and in the States, every leader even worse than the one before! We thought Trump was bad, but along came Biden! We thought Blair was bad, but then came Bail-out Brown and he was followed by some pie-faced buffoon who "took to pig-sticking in quite the wrong way!" Then came rudderless May and now this thing, complete with the red nose and revolving trousers!

Can't ANY of these parties cough up someone who is even vaguely within the ballpark of being a leader? It can't be that hard, surely!

 

[NickGrogan]

Looks like he is on his way.

To be replaced by who?

 

[KM-Tiger]

but now they have realised that he is now an electoral liabilty rather than asset

Don't agree with you on that. I think the reason the opposition are pressing so hard to depose him is because they don't think they can beat him in an election.

 

[KM-Tiger]

As for the EU, I do not see it covering itself in glory and I see no real change in the mood of the country. Keep dreaming, but the UK has partly left and will stay out IMO. Hopefully in the near future we can get a true Brexit, leaving it in its entirety.

The remainer blob want us back in the EU, but the principle obstruction to that is Boris. That's why they are so determined to unseat him. The Tweets of Andrew Adonis are revealing about that.

So dangerous times IMHO. With Boris gone the Tory party will split, with remainers allying with Labour to get us back in the EU. God help us if Captain Hindsight did become PM.

 

[Fagin2021]

With apologies to Lewis Carroll...

"The Privileges Committee laughed: "There's no use trying," they said; "we CAN'T believe impossible things."

"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said Boris. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

 

[MikeJ]

I don't know if anyone else is watching the debate on referrring Johnson to the Huse Committee?

The tory party appears to have abandoned him. There are very few Conservative party memebers present. If a vote is taken the opposition will win.

No one has yet spoken in his defence.

Looks like he is on his way.

The feeling was it's better not to be seen to be blocking an investigation that they're sure he'll get through anyway. If it was blocked at this point, Labour could jump up and down and point. If it goes to committee and he's cleared, the Conservatives can shrug their shoulders and say due procedure was followed.

 

[Chris Ashdown]

So downing street continued meet and drinks parties during the corvid time like they have for over 20 years and all governments

We had a leader who could and did make decisions to sort out corvid, he also led us out of the EU as the majority of the public wanted, and also built up our defences and found new long term future partners around the world

But that comes to nothing with most of you lot, so as stated by @NickGrogan above, who the hell are you offering as a replacement lets hear some names

 

[Fagin2021]

So downing street continued meet and drinks parties during the corvid time like they have for over 20 years and all governments

We had a leader who could and did make decisions to sort out corvid, he also led us out of the EU as the majority of the public wanted, and also built up our defences and found new long term future partners around the world

But that comes to nothing with most of you lot, so as stated by @NickGrogan above, who the hell are you offering as a replacement lets hear some names

When Hercules was tasked to clean out the Augean stables he was not required to refill them.

 

[Lucan Unlordly]

'Beware the jugglers' an old boss once said to me. 'People who keep so many balls in the air at one it becomes impossible for anyone to focus on a single issue'.
Boris is very, very good at distraction politics.

A good friend of mine who has known Boris personally and through work for many years said to me long ago that the unkempt buffoon presentation is in itself a distraction screen for an incredibly smart underbelly.

 

[thetiger2015]

So downing street continued meet and drinks parties during the corvid time like they have for over 20 years and all governments

We had a leader who could and did make decisions to sort out corvid, he also led us out of the EU as the majority of the public wanted, and also built up our defences and found new long term future partners around the world

But that comes to nothing with most of you lot, so as stated by @NickGrogan above, who the hell are you offering as a replacement lets hear some names

No. Members of the ruling party created laws that prohibited gatherings during COVID and then breached their own law, whilst also denying that they had breached their own law, because they didn't know what the law was. Here is one example of the law being applied to ordinary citizens: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-found-guilty-breaking-covid-040000895.html

From the link: "Gavin John Wickham, 52, denied an allegation of participating in a gathering of more than two people in a public outdoor place in a tier 4 area.

Following the guilty verdict, the bench issued Wickham with a £200 fine as well as an order to pay a £34 surcharge and £350 costs – a total bill of £584."

Did Boris admit that the law had been broken within Downing St, when asked by the opposition during PMQs? No. He denied any knowledge of these gatherings when aske during PMQs on multiple occasions.

Some are saying 'oh well, it's just like a speeding fine, nothing important' - missing the point entirely. The accusation is that the Prime Minister misled parliament and broke laws that his government pressed on to ordinary citizens. No matter if you think they're trivial. The government must abide by the laws they set at all times, else face disciplinary action and, to potentially have misled parliament and denied wrongdoing, even after a police investigation that resulted in 20+ fines being issued....well...time to fall on ones sword.

You're also saying 'Well it could be worse, we could have Keith/Corbyn/Abbot/A potato as leader' - well yeah, it could be worse. Is that really a good measure to use? The 'well it could be worse' measure? Should we not be demanding more of our politicians and showing them that there are career/legal consequences for things like this?

 

[Lucan Unlordly]

Should we not be demanding more of our politicians and showing them that there are career/legal consequences for things like this?

Yes, but should we seek change at a time when WW3 could be just around the corner?

 

[Newchodge]

Yes, but should we seek change at a time when WW3 could be just around the corner?

We successfully sought change when WWII was in full flood.

 

[Lucan Unlordly]

We successfully sought change when WWII was in full flood.

Government was in turmoil when Churchill, who had support from both sides of the house, became Prime Minister. Former Secretary of State for War, Secretary of State for Air and First Lord of the Admiralty, he was a shoe in for the job in hand.

I voted for Boris, the first time I'd ever voted Tory because I couldn't see Corbyn or anyone else on the horizon who was better. I still can't. That said, I probably won't vote at all in the next election.

 

[MikeJ]

Government was in turmoil when Churchill, who had support from both sides of the house, became Prime Minister. Former Secretary of State for War, Secretary of State for Air and First Lord of the Admiralty, he was a shoe in for the job in hand.

He really wasn't. Most people thought Halifax would get it. Halifax effectively turned it down as he thought Churchill would be better

(and it's "shoo-in", not "shoe-in". Pedantic, I know, but it's as annoying as people rolling in the isles)

 

[Ian J]

(and it's "shoo-in", not "shoe-in". Pedantic, I know, but it's as annoying as people rolling in the isles)

I didn't realise that you were autistic

 

[MikeJ]

One person's "autism" is another person's "not being ignorant".

 

[Employment Law Clinic]

So downing street continued meet and drinks parties during the corvid time like they have for over 20 years and all governments

Perhaps I misunderstood things, but I thought the idea two years ago was that we stopped doing things that we were familiar with doing, as the primary objective was trying to protect the NHS, and save lives.

Even bending the rules was discouraged: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuROpy0XAAIZkut?format=jpg&name=medium

he also led us out of the EU

When you say "us", who do you mean, Chris? This is UK Business Forums, but as David Frost himself acknowledged only earlier this month, it's only Britain that is at all free of the EU, not the UK.


Like others, I've offered many names for successors in another thread...



Karl Limpert

 

[Clodbuster]

Rename this thread - Anyone except a Conservative.

 

[simon field]

So downing street continued meet and drinks parties during the corvid time like they have for over 20 years and all governments

We had a leader who could and did make decisions to sort out corvid, he also led us out of the EU as the majority of the public wanted, and also built up our defences and found new long term future partners around the world

But that comes to nothing with most of you lot, so as stated by @NickGrogan above, who the hell are you offering as a replacement lets hear some names

Anyone who’s less smug. Thing is Chris, if he’s happy to lie so brazenly about these things, whilst smirking his smug smirk, do you not wonder what *else* he’s happily lied about? No?

Tobias Ellwood gets my vote.

 

[Newchodge]

Anyone who’s less smug. Thing is Chris, if he’s happy to lie so brazenly about these things, whilst smirking his smug smirk, do you not wonder what *else* he’s happily lied about? No?

Tobias Ellwood gets my vote.

I am sorry, Simon, but I don't wonder what *else* he’s happily lied about? There is no need. Just assume that he has lied on every occasion that he has spoken. That'ss be close enough to accurate to make no difference.

 

[Employment Law Clinic]

Rename this thread - Anyone except a Conservative.

I know quite a few, including David Gauke & Rory Stewart, were thrown out of the Conservative & Unionist party, because they didn't want the United Kingdom divided. But isn't Tobias Ellwood still a conservative MP?


Karl Limpert

 

[NickGrogan]

Priti Patel would be interesting.

As an aside, why have Labour never had a female leader?

 

[AWA Training]

The man talked about Peppa Pig world at a CBI conference, says it all really.
That said who are the alternatives. IMHO the Conservative Party is not fit for the purpose. It will take years to undo the damage they have done. Before anyone asks would Starmer be any different, he couldn't be much worse.

 

[NickGrogan]

What damage do you think they've done?
How would Labour unpick it?

 

[japancool]

The man talked about Peppa Pig world at a CBI conference, says it all really.

He gave Peppa Pig as an example of successful British creative industries. Was he wrong?

 

[NickGrogan]

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And it might be right.

www.fool.com

 

[KM-Tiger]

As an aside, why have Labour never had a female leader?

Because they don't know what a woman is?

In other news I'm seeing legal opinion that as No 10 is Crown Land, the Met don't have jurisdiction and may have to withdraw the FPNs they have issued.

 

[NickGrogan]

Because they don't know what a woman is?

Apparently, they do.

2020 election, 3 women, 1 man - man wins
2015 election, 2 women, 2 men - man wins
2010 election, 1 women, 4 men - man wins - woman rejected in the first round
2007 election, 1 man, man wins
1994 election, 1 women, 2 men - man wins

So far as I can see, no elections before 1994 had any women candidates.

 

[MikeJ]

Priti Patel would be interesting.

As an aside, why have Labour never had a female leader?

Yes they have. Margaret Beckett was leader between John Smith's death and Tony Blair's election. She was previously deputy leader, and became acting leader automatically.

 

[Lucan Unlordly]

He really wasn't. Most people thought Halifax would get it. Halifax effectively turned it down as he thought Churchill would be better

(and it's "shoo-in", not "shoe-in". Pedantic, I know, but it's as annoying as people rolling in the isles)

Ok, if you want to be pedantic he was a 'shuin' after Halifax turned the jig down

 

[MOIC]

Let the government run the country, not be bogged down with party/gathering fines nonsense. It will be interesting if the civil servant that arranged the 'gatherings' to discuss the running of the country get's slapped with the 10k fine.

Boris is currently leader, like him or loathe him, let him get on with it until the next election. Changing a leader now, will not do the incumbent any favours and no doubt the left will say guilty by association. Labour seem to have nothing to offer, except trying to ridicule everything that Boris/Conservatives do.

COVID has found EVERY government wanting and NONE have come out of it in a positive way. It will be interesting to know which governments refrained from 'gatherings' in order to run their country.

 

[Ian J]

Let the government run the country, not be bogged down with party/gathering fines nonsense.

I agree that letting the existing personnel carry on would be the best thing for the country and if the useless opposition parties in conjunction with the meeja manage to hound Boris out of office I would like to see Jacob Rees-Mogg stand unopposed to teach the whingers a lesson