buy to let - many or few?

This is probably one of those questions that does the rounds from time to time, however if I can I would like to ask it once again.

I have a chunk of cash I want to invest in buy to lets, I could buy one house outright, a couple with very large deposits, or 5 or 6 with low deposits. I work full time, have a small side business so dont really need a huge income off the property.

the simple question (although i doubt it is) is whats the best way fro me to go

thanks

Lee
 

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My personal favourite would be a couple with large deposits, therefor covering both mortgages with the rental income whilst minimising and risks and also gaining from the eventual increase in the propertys ( cross fingers they go up in a few years time ).
 
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    For tax planning reasons, I'd suggest to spread your investment over a number of properties. This is for capital gains tax planning when you come to sell up. If you make a massive gain on a single property, you're going to have a big hit for CGT with only one year's worth of annual exemption. However, if you have, say, 5 properties, you could sell one each year, thus making use of 5 times your annual CGT exemption. Also, a single massive capital gain may put you into higher tax rates, whereas several smaller gains may keep you within the lower rate. All in all, far more flexibility with several properties, as you could develop a plan of holding each property until a certain level of capital gain, then sell it, take advantage of the annual exemption and lower rate CGT, re-invest the proceeds in another property, and continue to rinse and repeat. It would also help in inheritance tax and succession planning as you could "drip feed" separate properties to the next generation over a long time frame, whereas with just one property, it's not quite so convenient as you'd have to have joint ownership with varying shares of equity.
     
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    this may sound like madness to some,

    I currently rent a small cottage and am very happy here - the landlord will not sell. My plan for the buy to lets is to cover the rent on this cottage - however am i right in thinking that you need to have an existing mortgage to then get a buy to let - i.e. can a tenant have a buy to let mortgage on a property?
     
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    bwglaw

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    this may sound like madness to some,

    I currently rent a small cottage and am very happy here - the landlord will not sell. My plan for the buy to lets is to cover the rent on this cottage - however am i right in thinking that you need to have an existing mortgage to then get a buy to let - i.e. can a tenant have a buy to let mortgage on a property?

    I have a portfolio of properties here in the UK and overseas. You do not always need to have an existing mortgage to get a buy-to-let. I have 2 properties on residential mortgages (with tenants) and 2 on buy-to-let mortgages.

    I think it would be wise to seek advice from an independent financial advisor, they will know lenders current lending criteria and what they allow in terms of any restrictions. Some, if not most, lenders do not allow tenants on DSS, owner occupation etc.
     
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    tony84

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    It depends on your outlook.

    You have to put down a larger deposit on a BTL property, ive just done a quick search based on what you have said and there is only 1 lender showing based on you having a 15% deposit.
    With a 20% deposit it jumps to....2!

    You are looking at a 25% deposit before that jumps to about 10 lenders with decent interest rates. A smaller deposit and your looking at interest rates of around 6%.

    The rent also needs to be 125% of the monthly repayments for the majority of lenders...eg your monthly repayment to the lender is £1000 per month, the rent needs to be £1250.

    I would suggest you speak to a mortgage advisor (im happy to help if you wish), then you will need to do some research into how much property rents for in the areas your looking to buy.
    Dont forget to keep money back for:
    Lenders Arrangent fees - typically £1000-2000 per mortgage.
    Solicitors fees - this can vary wildly.
    Any work that may need doing.
    Gas checks (need to be done annually).
    Plus some sort of contingency money....I used to rent a house out, i popped round and didnt do checks i should have done as she SEEMED lovely...turns out she was growing marajuana and had put a 4 inch hole in a wall to allow ventilation. So it could be worth getting a management company who take a percentage of any rent (10% approx). After that i sold up.

    Before you get into it though do your research, i was earning around £200 a month on 1 property so the money can be good. But i would definately think about it before hand. Tenents are a nightmare, you will have to do repairs occasionally - kitchen replacements, carpets etc (that reminds me, we had a tenent who moved in and we had put down new carpets 2 days before he moved in, when he moved out he said the iron mark on the floor was there when he moved in, we had the receipts to prove otherwise and he paid up but just a general idea of what you can get).
     
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    It depends on your outlook.

    You have to put down a larger deposit on a BTL property, ive just done a quick search based on what you have said and there is only 1 lender showing based on you having a 15% deposit.
    With a 20% deposit it jumps to....2!

    You are looking at a 25% deposit before that jumps to about 10 lenders with decent interest rates. A smaller deposit and your looking at interest rates of around 6%.

    The rent also needs to be 125% of the monthly repayments for the majority of lenders...eg your monthly repayment to the lender is £1000 per month, the rent needs to be £1250.

    I would suggest you speak to a mortgage advisor (im happy to help if you wish), then you will need to do some research into how much property rents for in the areas your looking to buy.
    Dont forget to keep money back for:
    Lenders Arrangent fees - typically £1000-2000 per mortgage.
    Solicitors fees - this can vary wildly.
    Any work that may need doing.
    Gas checks (need to be done annually).
    Plus some sort of contingency money....I used to rent a house out, i popped round and didnt do checks i should have done as she SEEMED lovely...turns out she was growing marajuana and had put a 4 inch hole in a wall to allow ventilation. So it could be worth getting a management company who take a percentage of any rent (10% approx). After that i sold up.

    Before you get into it though do your research, i was earning around £200 a month on 1 property so the money can be good. But i would definately think about it before hand. Tenents are a nightmare, you will have to do repairs occasionally - kitchen replacements, carpets etc (that reminds me, we had a tenent who moved in and we had put down new carpets 2 days before he moved in, when he moved out he said the iron mark on the floor was there when he moved in, we had the receipts to prove otherwise and he paid up but just a general idea of what you can get).

    to give you an idea,
    I have £135k
    I plan to buy 3 x 2 bed houses at around £100k each, using a 30-35K deposit on each. The balance for fees and any work required to get them ready to let.
    Rental will bring in approx £500 - 550 per month each - so i think that may just about hit the 125% ratio depending on mortgage rates available.
     
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    Using even the lowest deposit on each, you wont have a problem. Your repayments would be around £360-380 a month if you add the fees to the mortgage otherwise they would be slightly less.

    Make sure your credit file is good though as it will take a bit of a battering if you purchase them all within a 3-6 month period.
     
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    Using even the lowest deposit on each, you wont have a problem. Your repayments would be around £360-380 a month if you add the fees to the mortgage otherwise they would be slightly less.

    Make sure your credit file is good though as it will take a bit of a battering if you purchase them all within a 3-6 month period.

    I hadnt thought about that - I am happy to spread the purchases - 1 every 6 months or so - gives me a chance to concentrate on one at a time, I was going to clear my credit cards and car loan - but now i think I will keep them on for a while - I hear credit reference agencies perversely hate to see people with no debt
     
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    If i approached a mortgage provider with a plan to buy 3 properties at once - could they class this as one large transaction rather than 3 seperate, thus minimising credit rating damage, otherwise (if i am grasping this correctly) the interest rate offered on each subsequent mortgage after the 1st could be progressively worse?

    Am i right?
     
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    A couple with large deposits, then you can afford to have repayment on them both over a short term.. say 15yrs then after that term, sell the two and buy 4... same thing.. in 30yrs you have 4 houses paid, nice pension :)
     
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    tony84

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    Not quite, the interest rate is based on the product you take out....not your credit score. That being said certain products are only available to people with the better credit scores.
    You cant purchase 3 houses under 1 mortgage, there MAY be a way around it but it would require that much messing about and solicitors costs its probably not worth it, imagine when it becomes time to sell and you have 1 mortgage secured against 3 properties, chances are you wont sell all 3 to 1 buyer.

    If your credit score is good and your doing it over say a 3-6 month period, i wouldnt worry too much. Exceptions can be made, i worked at a place who had a client that had 26 properties, he was having credit searches every few weeks he was being declined for £500 credit cards when he had a bank account with over a million in there on top of equity for about 2 million. It was just a case of writing a letter and explaining why - ie its not because your a rubbish payer.

    Also as HFE has said about repayment mortgages, those figures i gave were on a repayment basis so the repayments would be lower if you went interest only.
     
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    First question - are you willing / able to fund some lean times from your own income?

    Buy to let isn't a doddle - things can and do go wrong, so you really need to know the cashflow, taking into account some of the issues which can arise, including:

    agents fees.
    Empty time
    Non-payment of rent.
    Damages / dilapidations.
    General maintenance.
    rises in interest rates
    Landlord's insurance
    Gas / electric / energy certs

    Etc

    A good letting agent will be able to give you insight to these.
     
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    Jackie606

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    Hi
    my advice as a private landlord and investor, would be 'many' for the purpose of diversification and therefore risk reduction.... pick a area/region you know (well) this will give you a good idea of the kind of person (tenant) who would choose to live there....

    more properties more tenants of course and a mutiple of fees to get it up and running (some finance has a fixed arrangement cost) however.... diversification by increase in numbers allows you to sell each property seperately when you want to, potentially reducing CGT,

    it also means there is less chance of all properties been empty simultaneously (preventing rent/income gaps etc) and utimately will provide higher rent in total.... based on your initial capital outlay... yield in property is not directly relative to individual property value so get investment advice aswell as property sourcing and management advice...
    just a few thoughts, loads to it but a great business if you have a passion for it, happy to share more info if you want to pm me... Jackie
     
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    Property Angel

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    After years of building up a sizeable portfolio (and starting a letting agency to manage mine and other landlords properties) I would say that you have to decide how busy you want to be with the properties.

    Now, I am looking at paring back. My original start point (and this was good advice in my position at that time) was leverage and diversification. Now several years on, I would tell you I wish I had just focused on a few.

    Why?

    With less properties, you have to spend less time & less money and the less you have the more you have. When you have less boilers to go wrong, or to buy in the first place, you buy better boilers (as you had to buy less in the first place) which have less problems and cost less to maintain. Overall you get more for your money by spending less!

    My time over - I would focus. I would focus on buying in a great part of town (preferably London, or another decent area which you are close to) and I would try and buy the best property I could - not necessarily the most expensive, but perhaps less of an "investment" style property and more of a "home appeal" property.

    I have since gone into business with another friend who is a property investor - we have very different styles; mine is income driven, high yield and cheap and cheerful, he had more money than me to start with and has a portfolio of low yield, high capital yield and expensive and desirable. Frankly, I would much rather own his BTL business - but then, he started with money and I started with nothing.

    So if you have a choice, (and nowadays I do), I now buy quality rather than quantity.
     
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